Sakura Analysis on the Base

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I've created a new breed of hater. I am...the good hater!

 

[Megan Terumi]

You have to post tits at the top for people on the Base to actually pay attention to this.

Hahah anyway, good thread. Sakura is underrated.

 

[Icelerate]

Part 1 Sakura​

I've decided to place Pre-Shippuden Sakura in a whole new section, because to be honest she's a completely different person from her Part 2 counter-part. Now, the "beginning" of Sakura can best be explained by this panel:

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Basically, Sakura's supposed to be a simple yet intelligent girl that's selfishly pursuing her desire for Sasuke. Why would the creator give such a character a vital role? Kishimoto probably wanted to show her change over time from a fragile little girl into a true heroine over the time-span of Shippuden. "Kakashi: Girls her age are more into boys than ninjutsu.." Thus, the flame magnet was born into Sakura's character. I feel like this needed to be said because when it comes to character development, Sakura actually got quite a bit over time. Stereotypical Sakura dissing has adverted such thinking.. but if you look at the roots, it's pretty much there.

I agree that Kishi wanted to make Sakura more mature, useful, charismatic and powerful over time just like a true powerful ninja. He first wanted to portray as some weakling who improved herself as time went on.

To stay on topic with Part 1 Sakura's character, I can actually understand quite well why most people would dislike her - Kishimoto made SasuSaku extremely one sided. While this is fine in the beginning given what I just said about creating a selfish fangirl, Kishi started to go into extremes when Sakura seemed perfectly ready to abandon Konoha for Sasuke's goal out of love despite getting almost nowhere with him; even after Sasuke confessed that Naruto was the one to save her from Gaara's wrath she ended up leaving Naruto the burden of bringing him back. Too much time had passed for people to accept her one-track mind set (this even goes into Shippuden which I'll explain). Factor in her obvious lackluster combat abilities, and she's a rather unfavorable character for this type of manga.

Yeah but it would ruin Sasuke's character if he showed any type of romantic feelings towards Sakura. Sasuke is supposed to be the type of guy who is not swayed even one bit by any girl no matter how attractive and seductive she is.

Still part 1 Sakura was rather meh but Inner Sakura was pretty entertaining. Also after some time, she started to respect Naruto and cheer for him even in part 1. Even though the fight between Sakura and Ino was very low level, it was actually entertaining because it was evenly matched and such a close fight. IMO though both Ino and Sakura were the weakest but Ino was better than Sakura back than and would have won if it wasn't for Naruto's intervention.

In defense of Sakura, she did admit her weakness several times, and by the end of Part 1 was determined enough to train 3 extremely hard (life threatening by her view point) years in order to increase her strength. As far as natural talent goes, Sakura was the best at chakra control in Team 7 by far. She zoomed through the written part of the CE while Sasuke, a known genius prodigy, was baffled by the questions. She definitely looks weak in battle, but people tend to forget that such opponents were considered "monsters" for their age.

Yeah Sakura is actually very intelligent but for some reason people think she has either average intelligence, or mediocre. But what do you mean her opponents were considered monsters for their age. This means the likes of Ino are OP monsters. Lol joke I get what you mean, Gaara, Zabuza, Orochimaru and team Dosu were formidable. Even so Sakura and Ino were considered average genins while the rest of the genins were considered above average. In reality, part 1 Ino and part Sakura>>>90% of Narutoverse since there is a huge drop off rate from academy student to genin.

Part 2 Sakura​

As I said, they're like completely different people. Her massive strength and intelligence showing against Kakashi actually made her seem like she could rival Naruto's abilities at that time. She doesn't seem nearly as immature as she did before as well... and has definitely grown more accustomed to Naruto's ways. You know, when Sakura schooled the entire sand village and Chiyo in medical arts, I had sort of a fanboyish fear that she'll make Naruto look insignificant at the time (all those fillers commenting on Naruto's idiocy killed me a bit xD). What's more? She even got to team alongside Chiyo (a hyped up, high level ninja) to defeat Sasori who by hype and manga literacy was supposed to be greater than Deidara (who just kidnapped a Kage from their own village). To the average reader, she was extremely impressive!

Are you implying that you are a Naruto fanboy?:shrug:xd
The fillers made Naruto look much dumber than he actually is. The manga does too sometimes because Naruto himself has a goofy personality so they have to portray it but the anime goes too far sometimes.

I think Chiyo and Sakura made a better combo than Kakashi and Naruto despite the latter being more powerful and being team mates for a long time. I should reread that fight but the first time I did, it was too long for my taste. All in all, yes I believe early Shippuden Sakura was roughly on par with early Shippuden Naruto even though Naruto was still noticeably stronger.

Time for the Anti-Sakura paragraph. While Sakura's first showing in Shippuden was amazing and had great potential... what happened to it? I seriously feel like she got cut off from whatever Kishimoto was feeding her in the beginning of Shippuden. She slowly became more and more irrelevant, and seemed to dim into her Part 1 phase. After the Pain Invasion, we finally got to see Sakura take a major step in the storyline again! Sai forced her to realize the burden she put on Naruto, and for a while it seemed like she was going to do something about it. Unfortunately, we all know what happened. Sakura couldn't bring herself to kill her childhood crush. Many people were just in major disbelief now.. the guy tried to kill her twice yet she is totally incapable of doing a thing to him. I feel she got trolled hard in this scene. Again, it seems like most criticism is based towards her obsessive feelings for Sasuke. Although again, being put in Team 7 automatically gave her high expectations that she has yet to meet.

She shouldn't even have attempted to kill him. She is supposed to be intelligent yet thought she had a chance. I understand why she couldn't kill him but she should not have put the burden on herself. She should have acknowledged her own limits and do something else to make herself feel better or whatever. Also since Sasuke is my favourite, her attempted assassination made me dislike her for the time being. I don't actually dislike Sakura though.

I can't defend Sakura's decisions on Sasuke for the most part considering I'm a little peeved myself about them. I'm sure I would think a bit differently in her case but.. things did get a bit too prolonged. However, I also feel that she is underrated in general. Combat wise, most people tend to look at her speed (even though I never really got the vibe that she was slow..) and don't pay attention to her 1 shot capability, high intelligence, or medical knowledge at all (throw chakra control in there while you're at it, it's not just strength). Medical ninja aren't even supposed to fight in the first place.. they're just too valuable. I'm glad that we saw Sakura tricking the Zetsu clone in this Arc, that was good on the eyes. Sakura still has plenty of potential (being called the second coming of Tsunade and all). She still has genjutsu, Slug summons, improved medical abilities and equipment, and other jutsu as possible power ups. Big chests aren't everything guys.

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Yes I'm a bit peeved on that attempted assassination too for my own reasons I explained earlier but what are your's. I do agree she is highly underrated for some reason. As a matter of fact, I think most of the females are underrated in VS threads and people side with the males all the time. Yes the females are noticeably weaker but there are times when they can actually win if not dominate on some matches.

I don't understand why everybody complains about Sakura crying. It's just showing emotion after all.. it's part of her character. Most people are complaining that things aren't sad enough in the manga as it is. Give the girl a rest xD

Well everyone in the manga has cried at least one time. Naruto, Sasuke, Choji, Shikamaru, Gaara, Itachi, Nagato and probably a lot of others so people should stop complaining on such trivial things.

I also realized that most people take Sakura punching Naruto seriously. To be honest I didn't like Part 1 Sakura's treatment of Naruto too much (despite the comedy), but people are making her a villain out of something like this.. what? It's like she's the new bully down the block or something. Is Naruto even truly injured when she hits him >_> most times it's when Naruto is becoming a naked chick in front of her.

Same here. Sakura's treatment to Naruto was unjustified though because she went along with the village's opinion on him and didn't treat him fairly. I don't dislike her for it because Naruto was pretty annoying and if she didn't like Naruto back, she had the right to reject him. Also thanks to Naruto's Uzumaki and Kyubbi healing abilities, Sakura's punches don't do shit.
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As you can probably tell, I got kind of bored with all the same threads getting spammed over and over again so I decided to try something out >_> Although at the same time I'd like to know what you think about Sakura yourself and to give constructive criticism to the OP. Since I know there are bound to be 1 liner trolls.. refer to my siggy ^.-

Same here, for some reason, 99% of the threads in this section are spammed with Obito and Tobi threads. I think people should post that kind of stuff in the Manga section.

Lol, -rep me much because you cannot give logical explanation to what I've questioned?
Who lacks intellicence here? Me for being able to put you into a debatable challenge based on given facts or you for not being able to respond my challenge?

Please, you make me laugh...

I don't know what is with him. You gave a decent response and all he did was bicker a futile response. If he did give you a neg than I +repped you so it should balance out.

My opinion on Sakura: Right now I am more or less neutral (slightly positive) about her but I do want her to get more screen time because how much screen time did she get in this war arc? Like four chapters. I thought she was supposed to be a main character, what in the world happened?U_U
Anyway I hope she gets to do something cool and I do trust Kishi to rectify any shortcoming he had with Sakura's character.

 

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Lol, that was funny! Thanks!

I agree that Kishi wanted to make Sakura more mature, useful, charismatic and powerful over time just like a true powerful ninja. He first wanted to portray as some weakling who improved herself as time went on.

Yeah but it would ruin Sasuke's character if he showed any type of romantic feelings towards Sakura. Sasuke is supposed to be the type of guy who is not swayed even one bit by any girl no matter how attractive and seductive she is.

Still part 1 Sakura was rather meh but Inner Sakura was pretty entertaining. Also after some time, she started to respect Naruto and cheer for him even in part 1. Even though the fight between Sakura and Ino was very low level, it was actually entertaining because it was evenly matched and such a close fight. IMO though both Ino and Sakura were the weakest but Ino was better than Sakura back than and would have won if it wasn't for Naruto's intervention.

Yeah Sakura is actually very intelligent but for some reason people think she has either average intelligence, or mediocre. But what do you mean her opponents were considered monsters for their age. This means the likes of Ino are OP monsters. Lol joke I get what you mean, Gaara, Zabuza, Orochimaru and team Dosu were formidable. Even so Sakura and Ino were considered average genins while the rest of the genins were considered above average. In reality, part 1 Ino and part Sakura>>>90% of Narutoverse since there is a huge drop off rate from academy student to genin.

Are you implying that you are a Naruto fanboy?:shrug:xd
The fillers made Naruto look much dumber than he actually is. The manga does too sometimes because Naruto himself has a goofy personality so they have to portray it but the anime goes too far sometimes.

I think Chiyo and Sakura made a better combo than Kakashi and Naruto despite the latter being more powerful and being team mates for a long time. I should reread that fight but the first time I did, it was too long for my taste. All in all, yes I believe early Shippuden Sakura was roughly on par with early Shippuden Naruto even though Naruto was still noticeably stronger.

She shouldn't even have attempted to kill him. She is supposed to be intelligent yet thought she had a chance. I understand why she couldn't kill him but she should not have put the burden on herself. She should have acknowledged her own limits and do something else to make herself feel better or whatever. Also since Sasuke is my favourite, her attempted assassination made me dislike her for the time being. I don't actually dislike Sakura though.

Yes I'm a bit peeved on that attempted assassination too for my own reasons I explained earlier but what are your's. I do agree she is highly underrated for some reason. As a matter of fact, I think most of the females are underrated in VS threads and people side with the males all the time. Yes the females are noticeably weaker but there are times when they can actually win if not dominate on some matches.

Well everyone in the manga has cried at least one time. Naruto, Sasuke, Choji, Shikamaru, Gaara, Itachi, Nagato and probably a lot of others so people should stop complaining on such trivial things.

Same here. Sakura's treatment to Naruto was unjustified though because she went along with the village's opinion on him and didn't treat him fairly. I don't dislike her for it because Naruto was pretty annoying and if she didn't like Naruto back, she had the right to reject him. Also thanks to Naruto's Uzumaki and Kyubbi healing abilities, Sakura's punches don't do shit.
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Same here, for some reason, 99% of the threads in this section are spammed with Obito and Tobi threads. I think people should post that kind of stuff in the Manga section.



I don't know what is with him. You gave a decent response and all he did was bicker a futile response. If he did give you a neg than I +repped you so it should balance out.

My opinion on Sakura: Right now I am more or less neutral (slightly positive) about her but I do want her to get more screen time because how much screen time did she get in this war arc? Like four chapters. I thought she was supposed to be a main character, what in the world happened?U_U
Anyway I hope she gets to do something cool and I do trust Kishi to rectify any shortcoming he had with Sakura's character.

Wow, one of the best responses in connection to her coming from a Sasuke fan. Way to go! My honest congrats. Great analysis you have there as well.
I would've repped you but I have to spread some before giving it back to you.
And not because you +repped me, because for me, these reputation bars mean nothing as it is nothing palpable and even if I would have the bar red, it could counter-attack it by showing logic in my posts, not pure fanatism.
But thanks, anyway!

 

[Drakengard]

I agree that Kishi wanted to make Sakura more mature, useful, charismatic and powerful over time just like a true powerful ninja. He first wanted to portray as some weakling who improved herself as time went on.

Yep I think Sakura's statements about wanting to help Naruto were definitely genuine by the end of Part 1. She recognized herself as a burden to others and wanted to change so that she can help others in the long run. That's some of the reason why Sakura wanted to hold the weight of killing Sasuke all by herself for a change. It's a shame it got ruined by her failure to do so and once again depending on Naruto afterwards. Hopefully she'll be redeemed by the end of the manga.

Yeah but it would ruin Sasuke's character if he showed any type of romantic feelings towards Sakura. Sasuke is supposed to be the type of guy who is not swayed even one bit by any girl no matter how attractive and seductive she is.

Yeah I agree that Sasuke shouldn't really show love interests after the massacre when you see him as an avenger. I think I'm leaning towards Sasuke doing dramatic things for Sakura but not out of love or anything like that. Kind of like what he did with Karin but a step up since it's Sakura after all.

Still part 1 Sakura was rather meh but Inner Sakura was pretty entertaining. Also after some time, she started to respect Naruto and cheer for him even in part 1. Even though the fight between Sakura and Ino was very low level, it was actually entertaining because it was evenly matched and such a close fight. IMO though both Ino and Sakura were the weakest but Ino was better than Sakura back than and would have won if it wasn't for Naruto's intervention.

Inner Sakura was cool xd a good portrayal of her rebellious side. I also remember her calling Sasuke out for his coward-like behavior against Orochimaru and taking Naruto's side of things. At least she was able to point out his flaws. I agree that their fight was pretty low tiered compared to some others.. meh at least they got to show their determination by making it a long fought battle. Asuma kind of hyped Ino's skills in comparison to other Kunoichi too (thus hyping Sakura in the process).

Yeah Sakura is actually very intelligent but for some reason people think she has either average intelligence, or mediocre. But what do you mean her opponents were considered monsters for their age. This means the likes of Ino are OP monsters. Lol joke I get what you mean, Gaara, Zabuza, Orochimaru and team Dosu were formidable. Even so Sakura and Ino were considered average genins while the rest of the genins were considered above average. In reality, part 1 Ino and part Sakura>>>90% of Narutoverse since there is a huge drop off rate from academy student to genin.

Ino = blonde hair blue eyes. All the traits you need to own in this manga (dem Aryans). But yeah I guess you could consider the others monsters too >_>

Are you implying that you are a Naruto fanboy?:shrug:xd
The fillers made Naruto look much dumber than he actually is. The manga does too sometimes because Naruto himself has a goofy personality so they have to portray it but the anime goes too far sometimes.

Nahhh... a main character fanboy xd I get jelly when the main character gets surpassed in a lot of series. Probably not much anymore but I remember the days. I think people also confuse comedic relief with actually intelligence when it is needed.

I think Chiyo and Sakura made a better combo than Kakashi and Naruto despite the latter being more powerful and being team mates for a long time. I should reread that fight but the first time I did, it was too long for my taste. All in all, yes I believe early Shippuden Sakura was roughly on par with early Shippuden Naruto even though Naruto was still noticeably stronger.

The thing is that they were almost a perfect counter for Sasori. An experienced puppet master and one of the only existing medical ninja with a counter to his poison.. he got a tough break. And yeah I always need to reread that fight, and it's hard for me to find Kakashi quotes when they're chasing Deidara with all the chapters -.- It seems Naruto was love-struck when he admired Sakura's abilities too (when curing Kankuro).

She shouldn't even have attempted to kill him. She is supposed to be intelligent yet thought she had a chance. I understand why she couldn't kill him but she should not have put the burden on herself. She should have acknowledged her own limits and do something else to make herself feel better or whatever. Also since Sasuke is my favourite, her attempted assassination made me dislike her for the time being. I don't actually dislike Sakura though.

Emotions are just a huge factor in Sakura's behavior. Heck I'd say if you take away Sasuke out of the occasion she'd probably have very few things to mock. It seems that he's like her source of helplessness. Dat Uchiha love man..

Yes I'm a bit peeved on that attempted assassination too for my own reasons I explained earlier but what are your's. I do agree she is highly underrated for some reason. As a matter of fact, I think most of the females are underrated in VS threads and people side with the males all the time. Yes the females are noticeably weaker but there are times when they can actually win if not dominate on some matches.

Well the thing is.. her actions could have made a huge step forward. Advances like helping Konoha, helping her fellow comrades (the Konoha Rookies), an even greater step towards relieving Naruto's pain (by her eyes), and even saving Sasuke himself from stepping further into darkness were all possible if she would have just got the strength to attack Sasuke from behind that one time. Sure in the future it'll probably turn out to be a good thing that she didn't but for that time it didn't seem that way. Now that I look like a huge Sakura basher, I'll agree with you that females in general tend to be overlooked a bit. It's kind of hard to support them with what Kishimoto has given us but I think this is where his personal writing style comes into play. Eg. Naruto's usage of bushin feints + FRS on Kakuzu were made to show his experience and growth even though logically it's an overused predictable feature.

Well everyone in the manga has cried at least one time. Naruto, Sasuke, Choji, Shikamaru, Gaara, Itachi, Nagato and probably a lot of others so people should stop complaining on such trivial things.

It's probably just one of those things used to bash her. Kind of like when people call characters fodder despite being Jounin lvl+ (even Kage level at some points).

Same here. Sakura's treatment to Naruto was unjustified though because she went along with the village's opinion on him and didn't treat him fairly. I don't dislike her for it because Naruto was pretty annoying and if she didn't like Naruto back, she had the right to reject him. Also thanks to Naruto's Uzumaki and Kyubbi healing abilities, Sakura's punches don't do shit.

She was kind of a snob in early Part 1. I think most people agree to that. Now the problem is that first impressions are hard to overcome if we don't constantly see new bad-ass stuff from her. There are loads of things to criticize about her in P1, and then Shippuden came along and people seemed to replace these images with her newest features. Now the latest "memorable" thing we have of her is her well known assassination attempt. Not a good thing to remember her by. I know I'd probably be thinking differently if I were in her shoes but I'm trying to look at it from the average audience's comfort zone in reality.

 

[Icelerate]

Yep I think Sakura's statements about wanting to help Naruto were definitely genuine by the end of Part 1. She recognized herself as a burden to others and wanted to change so that she can help others in the long run. That's some of the reason why Sakura wanted to hold the weight of killing Sasuke all by herself for a change. It's a shame it got ruined by her failure to do so and once again depending on Naruto afterwards. Hopefully she'll be redeemed by the end of the manga.

Yeah I guess Sakura held herself responsible to do something for Naruto for once. Even though Naruto at that point didn't want to kill Sasuke, everyone else did and Sakura knew that Sasuke's existence was causing Naruto great pain. So to end Naruto's pain, she decided to kill Sasuke so that Naruto would stop having to worry about his friend plunging further into darkness and committing horrible crimes.

Inner Sakura was cool xd a good portrayal of her rebellious side. I also remember her calling Sasuke out for his coward-like behavior against Orochimaru and taking Naruto's side of things. At least she was able to point out his flaws. I agree that their fight was pretty low tiered compared to some others.. meh at least they got to show their determination by making it a long fought battle. Asuma kind of hyped Ino's skills in comparison to other Kunoichi too (thus hyping Sakura in the process).

The funny thing is Asuma hyped up the weakest of the bunch. I mean if Ino and Sakura are that amazing, that would make the likes of Temari seem invincible.

Nahhh... a main character fanboy xd I get jelly when the main character gets surpassed in a lot of series. Probably not much anymore but I remember the days. I think people also confuse comedic relief with actually intelligence when it is needed.

You must have gotten angry when Sasuke beat Naruto at the end of part 1. I also had the same feeling in part 1. When Sasuke was portrayed to be "better" than Naruto, I was rooting for Naruto. That was before Naruto became stupidly OP so now I side with Sasuke and want him to do something to put him back on Naruto's level. Although I think the main character should sometimes be defeated in order to make the manga more realistic and more unpredictable.

The thing is that they were almost a perfect counter for Sasori. An experienced puppet master and one of the only existing medical ninja with a counter to his poison.. he got a tough break. And yeah I always need to reread that fight, and it's hard for me to find Kakashi quotes when they're chasing Deidara with all the chapters -.- It seems Naruto was love-struck when he admired Sakura's abilities too (when curing Kankuro).

The team work that the two displayed was far superior to that of Naruto and Kakashi. It seemed like Kakashi was babysitting Naruto who was nearly useless against Deidara. I forgot how that fight played out though so I can't make a fair judgement.

Emotions are just a huge factor in Sakura's behavior. Heck I'd say if you take away Sasuke out of the occasion she'd probably have very few things to mock. It seems that he's like her source of helplessness. Dat Uchiha love man..

Maybe the same will happen to Naruto?

Well the thing is.. her actions could have made a huge step forward. Advances like helping Konoha, helping her fellow comrades (the Konoha Rookies), an even greater step towards relieving Naruto's pain (by her eyes), and even saving Sasuke himself from stepping further into darkness were all possible if she would have just got the strength to attack Sasuke from behind that one time. Sure in the future it'll probably turn out to be a good thing that she didn't but for that time it didn't seem that way. Now that I look like a huge Sakura basher, I'll agree with you that females in general tend to be overlooked a bit. It's kind of hard to support them with what Kishimoto has given us but I think this is where his personal writing style comes into play. Eg. Naruto's usage of bushin feints + FRS on Kakuzu were made to show his experience and growth even though logically it's an overused predictable feature.

So you wanted Sasuke dead at the hands of Sakura right then and there?

She was kind of a snob in early Part 1. I think most people agree to that. Now the problem is that first impressions are hard to overcome if we don't constantly see new bad-ass stuff from her. There are loads of things to criticize about her in P1, and then Shippuden came along and people seemed to replace these images with her newest features. Now the latest "memorable" thing we have of her is her well known assassination attempt. Not a good thing to remember her by. I know I'd probably be thinking differently if I were in her shoes but I'm trying to look at it from the average audience's comfort zone in reality.

Wouldn't the latest memory of her be the time when managed outsmart a Zetsu clone and which gave the alliance a lot of intel as well?