[VS] Sai vs Rock Lee

[Haizaki]

That's because ninjutsu can reach the sky. Lee has no ninjutsu.

Asakujaku can be used from a long range

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Sai can dodge, look at the huge amount of distance it has to cover.

Sai would eventually have to draw his bird..wouldn't he?..Lee can speed blitz him before that

While Lee is activating gates, Sai quickly draws a huge bird and he's off. How can Lee reach him now?

Lee can just attack Sai..no need for gates yet....Lee isn't silly..he'll attack first before using gates

Also show me how Gated Lee can dodge this:

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And that's not even spamming explosives. Sai had to preserve explosives for the rest of the war so he didn't spam them. In this case, it's just 1 v 1 with intent to kill. He'll spam the explosives so it will be an even greater blast. How does Lee dodge that?

Sai would be forced to defend himself when Lee uses Asakujaku...how would sai get up that high in the first place..lee attacks him quick enough

 

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Don't reply to that troll. Lee kills Sai in base before Sai draws his quill out to draw birds. Sai has nearly zero feats to suggest he could take on a serious Rock Lee in a fight

Nearly Zero feats!
In front of Deidera and Sasori. No Ink Creatures.

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Now behind them and he has 2 huge creatures and huge bird that's he's already on top of. They didn't see a thing.

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Here he stops Sasuke:

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Some more Sai action:

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Do you still think he's a weak fodder.

Lee low diff.

Why?

Lee wins mid difficulty at most.

Why?

 

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Madara vs Gai was high up in the air:

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Lee was able to throw a kunai betwen orbs and Gai:

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It packs loads of speed and strength because it had been thrown in gates state.

Sai got one-shotted by a Juubi spike:

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Even likes of Hinata reacted to those spikes:

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Asakujaku can be used from a long range

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Sai would eventually have to draw his bird..wouldn't he?..Lee can speed blitz him before that

Lee can just attack Sai..no need for gates yet....Lee isn't silly..he'll attack first before using gates

Sai would be forced to defend himself when Lee uses Asakujaku...how would sai get up that high in the first place..lee attacks him quick enough

1) Kisame's Sharks aren't in the clouds
2)Firstly, that was a response to the argument that a kunai can stop Sai once he's already on the ground. So your response is out of context but I'll deal with it anyway. You're underestimating how quickly Sai can draw:
Here, Sai is in front of Sasori and Deidera. No Bird:

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Here is he behind them with a bird that he has already mounted and two other huge beasts.

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Lee can only use Asakujaku in gate form. As it shows earlier, that's enough time for Sai to mount a bird and fly away. Lee's attacks are quick but so are Sai's drawings. In total base form, I think Sai could get a drawing in.
3) Sai's taijutsu is not THAT bad. For example, the Sasuke at the beginning of Shipudden was easily countered by Sai. He also easily stopped Naruto's attack. Lee is better at taijutsu but in stage 1, he has no KO attacks, even if he manages to get a blow. It won't be that much. For example, Lee and Guy both kick Haku but Haku doesn't get damaged by the kicks. Haku has a 1 in his databook for taijutsu and a 1.5 for strength.

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Haku is hardly injured and that's Gai and Lee in base form.
Also remember that Neji could beat Lee even with Lee's blitz speed because Neji had faster hand movements. Similar to Neji, Sai's hand movements are quite quick with regard to drawing.

 

[AGoodBoy]

This is sai.

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[Icelerate]

This is sai.

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No that is Sasuke, not Sai.

 

[AGoodBoy]

No that is Sasuke, not Sai.

Lies. That foot in mouth. That pwnage. It has to be sai U_U

 

[Braiyan]

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Lee is going to blitz Sai in Gates 3 and up regardless of if he is in the air or not. If he is in the air, then Lee takes him out of the sky with kunai thrown with Gate-enhanced strength, then he breaks his neck with a Gated Leaf Whirlwind as he falls.

 

[MightGai]

So, the only advantage Sai has is a bird that can be defeated by a kunai ...

 

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Lee is going to blitz Sai in Gates 3 and up regardless of if he is in the air or not. If he is in the air, then Lee takes him out of the sky with kunai thrown with Gate-enhanced strength, then he breaks his neck with a Gated Leaf Whirlwind as he falls.

It seems you're being disanalygist. It is true that Haku knocked Sai out of the sky. Haku formed a mirror above his head. An attack that he first of all, never saw coming and secondly could go 8kms into the sky. Even with gated speed. 8kms is extreme. You can't give a feat from Haku to Lee. Haku's kekkei genkai allows him to travel 8kms into the sky in no time. It is true that Base Lee and Gai caught up to Haku, but I'll argue that doesn't disprove Sai's drawing speed. If Sai had no ink, he would lose but you aren't factoring his ink.

So, the only advantage Sai has is a bird that can be defeated by a kunai ...

Yes,it can be defeated by a kunai, but Sai can DODGE the kunai. Even with gated speed, 8kms is extreme. Sai has enough time to dodge.

 

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I want to see feats of Sai dodging something as fast as a kunai thrown in gates state.
He could not dodge this:

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He could not dodge Haku:

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Lee could intercept Madara's orbs when he was far below:

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Sai does not have capabilities to react such thing.

 

[Optimistic]

If this is what you're talking about:

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Hell no this is what im talking about

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then Lee can't do that and Mu wasn't in the clouds.

Want to know why he wasn't in the clouds? simple he wouldn't be able to pinpoint his opponants location since he wouldn't be able to see them, if he goes to high they'll look like dots its the dumbest tactic any flying nin would do. Only deidara can do such a thing since he has this

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No ninja can jump all the way to the clouds, are you serious? Throwing a kunai from the ground to the clouds and you think that Sai who can use body flicker technique can't dodge? Sai is quick.

Alreayd countered the flying above clouds bit, he won't be able to see Lee. Why would he body flicker when he's on a small platform? He'll fall off the bird giving lee enough time to throw another. First of all give me feats of sai reacting to a kunai that can travel faster than Madara's black orbs. Good luck finding one.

A) He can get away while Lee is opening gates. B)The kunai wasn't defying gravity, it wasn't flying the distance from earth to the clouds. The English phrase 'cloud nine' is derived from the fact that the average cloud is 8km away from the Earth's surface. Sai has more than enough time to dodge.

your whole post relies on sai flying above the clouds its ridiculous the manga even shown him flying below the clouds so he can see who fvck he's fighting. Sai has no feats of avoiding Base Lee's speed nor gates. Sai won't fly above the clouds manga has shown flying nins to not do such a thing, Sai has no feats of reacting to a blitz nor does he have feats of handling Lee in taijutsu.

 

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It seems you're being disanalygist. It is true that Haku knocked Sai out of the sky. Haku formed a mirror above his head. An attack that he first of all, never saw coming and secondly could go 8kms into the sky. Even with gated speed. 8kms is extreme. You can't give a feat from Haku to Lee. Haku's kekkei genkai allows him to travel 8kms into the sky in no time. It is true that Base Lee and Gai caught up to Haku, but I'll argue that doesn't disprove Sai's drawing speed. If Sai had no ink, he would lose but you aren't factoring his ink.

First of all, where are you getting these distances from? Secondly, with full intel Lee is not going to just stand there and let Sai draw a bird then take off into the air. With full intel Lee is going to go into 6th Gate and blitz Sai outright, whether it's via a kunai throw or a kick. Sai is not faster than Madara's Onmyoton balls which Lee outsped in 5th Gate while carrying Guy, not when he couldn't react to Haku's needle throw.

 

[MightGai]

Yes,it can be defeated by a kunai, but Sai can DODGE the kunai. Even with gated speed, 8kms is extreme. Sai has enough time to dodge.

If Sai didn't dodge the attack of the Juubi, why would it dodge a Kunai thrown with the strength of the gates?. If Sai's advantage is the bird, then he wouldn't last against Lee.

 

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I want to see feats of Sai dodging something as fast as a kunai thrown in gates state.
He could not dodge this:

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He could not dodge Haku:

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Lee could intercept Madara's orbs when he was far below:

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Sai does not have capabilities to react such thing.

In the first on, he wasn't expecting the attack, there was smoke/dust/fog beneath him, he was concentrating on the jibuu and the distance wasn't 8kms.
Lee can't do this:
In the second one, because of Haku's surprise attack, he was knocked out of the air.

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He's still recovering from the fall when they attack:

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Of course he can't dodge or make ink creatures. In the beginning of his fight against Lee, he won't be recovering from a fall. You can't give the reaction time of a person that is still recovering from a fall to a person that isn't.
Madara's orbs weren't 8km away!

 

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...When did Sai fly 8 km above?

 

[Yolobito Swagchiha]

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Lee is going to blitz Sai in Gates 3 and up regardless of if he is in the air or not. If he is in the air, then Lee takes him out of the sky with kunai thrown with Gate-enhanced strength, then he breaks his neck with a Gated Leaf Whirlwind as he falls.

While I do agree that Lee takes this, your logic is flawed. Sai had no idea he was in a combat situation at a time, had no intel on Haku's abilities, and was flying slow.

 

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Hell no this is what im talking about

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Want to know why he wasn't in the clouds? simple he wouldn't be able to pinpoint his opponants location since he wouldn't be able to see them, if he goes to high they'll look like dots its the dumbest tactic any flying nin would do. Only deidara can do such a thing since he has this

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Alreayd countered the flying above clouds bit, he won't be able to see Lee. Why would he body flicker when he's on a small platform? He'll fall off the bird giving lee enough time to throw another. First of all give me feats of sai reacting to a kunai that can travel faster than Madara's black orbs. Good luck finding one.

your whole post relies on sai flying above the clouds its ridiculous the manga even shown him flying below the clouds so he can see who fvck he's fighting. Sai has no feats of avoiding Base Lee's speed nor gates. Sai won't fly above the clouds manga has shown flying nins to not do such a thing, Sai has no feats of reacting to a blitz nor does he have feats of handling Lee in taijutsu.

When Naruto attacked Mu. Mu was not in the clouds. The manga does show Sai flying in the clouds:

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Those are clouds.
He still managed to attack Haku, Zabuza and co from the clouds:

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Deidera is not the only person that can attack from the clouds. Sai's birds seem to be able to attack just fine.
As for body flickering on a small platform. Look at this:
He is front of Deidera and Sasori:

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He body flickers and he's already on top of a bird and he's made two new creaatures:

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He can easily body flicker and draw a new bird.
I don't have to show you Sai dodging a gated kunai. I just have to use logic. A gated kunai travelling 8km upwards shouldn't be a problem for a Sai.

 

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Clouds can be at different heights, not necessarily at 8 km.

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Even so, NV is different from ours.

Also the location was near the village hidden in cloud.
Clouds were lower than usual, unless the building was 8km above ground [

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Edit: No human is surviving 8 km above ground.

 

[Latios]

Lee Low-Dif. Kunais or Asakujaku are soloing Sai no matter what. Even if he dodges one Kunai what is he going to do about the other 2-3 kunais he throws? Or how is he dodging the million punches that Lee is throwing in Asakujaku?