Sage of Sixpaths, Madara and Obito not perfect Jins?

[Dantee]

Something just occurred to me that the Sage,Madara and Obito were not perfect jins. Being a perfect jin means cooperating with your bijuu, not forcefully controlling their power. Would you guys say if someone became a perfect Juubi jinchuriki they would surpass even the Sage?

 

[fandum]

No proof Sage wasn't friends with the 10 tails is there?

 

[Denzel Washington]

Hm. It seems they are more "kcm" than "bm", if you catch my drift.

Assuming the Juubi has a sentience to cooperate with its jin, I say yes.

 

[Jusanbi]

And thus, a foreshadowing of that which Naruto may become arises upon NB ;P

 

[reizon]

Naruto is obviously going to becoming the true sage jin.!!

Hence, the sage flashback, "He will succeed where I failed"

He, Naruto, who will succeed.
I, sage, who failed.

 

[Dantee]

No proof Sage wasn't friends with the 10 tails is there?

Hmm. How could the sage be? He forcefully sealed it inside of him. Then he split them up in 9 different entities. I wouldn't say they were on friendly terms.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Yea,To make it simple... It's like comparing kcm to bm powerwise..

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Well... i would say they aren't Perf Jins simply because he don't/didn;t possess the complete Juubi...

and as far as we know, So6P forcibly sealed the Juubi too...Sooo...

 

[Dantee]

Yea,To make it simple... It's like comparing kcm to bm powerwise..

Pretty much that is what I'm saying in a nutshell.

Naruto is obviously going to becoming the true sage jin.!!

Hence, the sage flashback, "He will succeed where I failed"

He, Naruto, who will succeed.
I, sage, who failed.

Yeah I agree but I don't think he meant powerwise anyway.

 

[Troyg39]

Technically the Sage could have been. Maybe not with the Juubi, but if he still had the tailed beasts inside of him when he split up their consciences, then technically he was a perfect jin of 9 tailed beasts at once since he did become friends with all of them

Not sure if he kept them sealed within him or not though, never quite understood how that worked

 

[- J AV -]

Yes I agree.

 

[A v i]

Depends on the intelligence level of Juubi it is possible.

 

[Dantee]

Technically the Sage could have been. Maybe not with the Juubi, but if he still had the tailed beasts inside of him when he split up their consciences, then technically he was a perfect jin of 9 tailed beasts at once since he did become friends with all of them

Not sure if he kept them sealed within him or not though, never quite understood how that worked

Well from what I remember he sent the ten tails body(Gedo Mazo) to moon before splitting them up. He was also on his death bed. So technically it had to be impossible for them to be on friendly terms. However the tailed beasts seem to really like him. He was the only decent human being for the nine tails.

 

[Ultimateone]

i'm actually still wondering how they are even using it's power. when naruto wanted to use the nine tails power, he either had to ask for it or take it by force. in order to use it to the extent he has first he took a huge portion of chakra, before than befriending him. obito had that relatively quick struggle with the juubi, but he did nothing like what naruto had to do. madara on the other hand just straight up sealed it inside him and started using the power like it was nothing. it makes no sense that they are able to use it so easily, unless the fact that the version they have really has no consciousness aided them with simply gaining the power.

 

[KingHashirama]

Could be. And i can agree on this.

 

[Seventh Sama]

i'm actually still wondering how they are even using it's power. when naruto wanted to use the nine tails power, he either had to ask for it or take it by force. in order to use it to the extent he has first he took a huge portion of chakra, before than befriending him. obito had that relatively quick struggle with the juubi, but he did nothing like what naruto had to do. madara on the other hand just straight up sealed it inside him and started using the power like it was nothing. it makes no sense that they are able to use it so easily, unless the fact that the version they have really has no consciousness aided them with simply gaining the power.

yeah, madara skipped the "inner strugle" thing that obito had to face.... really strange..

 

[fandum]

Hmm. How could the sage be? He forcefully sealed it inside of him. Then he split them up in 9 different entities. I wouldn't say they were on friendly terms.

The 9 tails was forcefully sealed inside Naruto and they eventually became friends. I just don't think there is enough proof to say that he wasn't friends with the 10 tails at this point. Maybe Kishi will give us the answers but that would require flashbacks so NB would probably flame over it.

 

[~Sky~]

This is a really nice thought.

We've yet to see anyone even try communicating with the Juubi, so we'll see where this goes.

We saw the Juubi see the Sage of Six Paths in Naruto so it obviously has intelligence.

 

[fandum]

We saw the Juubi see the Sage of Six Paths in Naruto so it obviously has intelligence.

I had forgot about that.... ~ Dantee ~ I think I concede you're right Sage most likely wasn't friendly.

 

[saw2097]

While you bring up an interesting point, the Ten Tails doesn't have a sentient mind like Kurama or the other Bijuu do.

The rules for being the Ten Tail Jin may be very different.