One idea I have stumbled upon (and it is pretty out there, let me make that clear). But since I have put my foot in the ground on the SO6P=an Uzumaki, it has made me think about the importance of the two sons, and that chain of hatred they represent. And how you are right, that relationship COULD be downplayed in a way, if my theory holds true. I talked to some one about this and we began to think of the Senju and Uchiha carefully. So where do their abilities originate?
The Uchiha: Sure, we know they come from the older son, but where do his powers come from? I believe, as many others do, that their power originate from the Juubi, as we have seen it eye is basically a "Sharinnengan" (popular term on here). So the juubi is heavy with yin charka. Also, I don't think its a coincidence the Uchiha always seem to be represented by the moon(but thats another topic). Anyway, I think many have come to the conclusion that in some way the Uchiha get there visual prowess from the Juubi.
The Senju This is where it gets weird, but stay with me. Many will argue that Mokuton is not really a "senju" thing, but I disagree, while only one Senju was able to do it, I still submit that it is an ability unique to the Senju. Whenever people steal Uchiha eyes it seems to have been for their genjutsu, MS abilites, visual prowess and whenever people steal Senju DNA it seems to have been for the Wood Release and chakra control. Anyway, the point I am trying to make is that Wood Release is exclusively Senju. So why is this important? Well what is Wood Release? At it's core, it is the ability to control Nature or use it to your advantage. And why is this important? Well we have seen that the Juubi, in a way, IS NATURE. It is just a big ball of natural chakra, so I believe it could be argued that it is Nature personified.
So then the idea surfaces (and I am NOT saying I believe this). But, is it possible that the Uchiha AND Senju's powers BOTH originate from the Juubi? It's visual prowess is obvious to the Uchiha, but its own Natural life force and its origins from nature seem to reflect the Senju as well. In fact, is the idea of Wood Release not odd? Where does that even come from and why would we believe it to originate from the Sage?
The conclusion:
So basically, my point, after all this ranting. Is that the power of the Sage everyone has been trying to achieve, is the power of the Juubi. That the two sons, the Senju and Uchiha, both get their powers from the Juubi. The Uchiha its eyes and the Senju, yes, it's body. So by combining the Senju and Uchiha, one is really putting together the power of the Juubi. The Sage, as I have so mentioned, is only an Uzumaki and was the perfect host for this power, as all Uzumaki are. That is how he became a god-like figure, sealing the Juubi inside himself.
I dont agree with this theory, just something a friend and I thought about. What I believe gives it some merit is the recent chapters actually. We have learned that the Juubi really doesnt have emotions, it is not good nor evil. What's weird though, is that while in Gedo Mazou form it did have evil intentions (as Naruto pointed out). So that evidences the fact there is some sort of split in the Juubi, why was the Mazou's intentions suddenly vanquished when the Juubi was summoned? This could explain the cycle of hatred between the Senju and Uchiha, the differing views.
One problem with this obviously, is why do both sons represent the Juubi and not the Sage? Well, one explaination could be that the Sage did indeed split the Juubi up.
Its body-the moon
Its chakra- the tailed beasts
Its eyes-the older son (Juubi's "evil" intentions")
Its life force- the younger (Juubi's "good" intentions)
Disclaimer:I do NOT support this theory for there is not nearly enough evidence. Just an idea. All good ideas start from getting thoughts on paper.
my bad for being late broski, when I saw your avatar I didn't know what I was looking at. I made me jump a little lol. This is a pretty good theory you've got here. Now what I want to add is that as much as we think we know about the sage, we don't really know. until we see him in action, then all we have is just stuff we've heard from the manga. which might not always be true. the rinnegan could also be a down grade of a higher ocular jutsu we know nothing of. but nice theory, you've covered a lot of the bases for the So6p. and we also don't know his sage nin jutsu he would use. but it's cool to point that out.
Great effort in the thread. Personally i believe theory three to be the most probable. One of your drawbacks is that this will seperate Naruto and Sasuke from being on equal footing, which has been a main theme of the story so far. I think that in order to compensate for the power difference between the two at this point, that Sasuke will get the rinnegan somehow. I think this will not necessarily make them equal, (due to KM Naruto being too OP) but will give Sasuke a boost on supposed SO6P DNA that Naruto already has the advantage on due to him being an Uzumaki. That would even keep the theme going of Sasuke gaining the true eyes of the sage, and Naruto having the true body of the sage.
Great effort in the thread. Personally i believe theory three to be the most probable. One of your drawbacks is that this will seperate Naruto and Sasuke from being on equal footing, which has been a main theme of the story so far. I think that in order to compensate for the power difference between the two at this point, that Sasuke will get the rinnegan somehow. I think this will not necessarily make them equal, (due to KM Naruto being too OP) but will give Sasuke a boost on supposed SO6P DNA that Naruto already has the advantage on due to him being an Uzumaki. That would even keep the theme going of Sasuke gaining the true eyes of the sage, and Naruto having the true body of the sage.
Ya Thats the drawback Of considering Naruto a reincarnation of the sage .... I personallly feel that he isnt the sage but his Successor who will Finish the unfished task of the Sage. Sage worked alone and failed but naruto has friends with him
my bad for being late broski, when I saw your avatar I didn't know what I was looking at. I made me jump a little lol. This is a pretty good theory you've got here. Now what I want to add is that as much as we think we know about the sage, we don't really know. until we see him in action, then all we have is just stuff we've heard from the manga. which might not always be true. the rinnegan could also be a down grade of a higher ocular jutsu we know nothing of. but nice theory, you've covered a lot of the bases for the So6p. and we also don't know his sage nin jutsu he would use. but it's cool to point that out.
1. Sage = Uzumaki
2. Called Sage = B/C he knew senjutsu (sage mode)
3. He was able to seal the Juubi, which had UNMEASURABLE CHAKRA LEVELS, b/c the Sage also had access to "unlimited Chakra" AKA Sage Mode.
4. Obtained Rinnegan after becoming Jinchurriki. This is why he traveled the world teaching Ninjutsu afterwards, because with the Rinnegan he could now perform ANY and ALL ninjutsu, thus able to teach the world.
5. Gave birth (his wife of course lol) to his 2 sons, which took traits OF THE JUUBI ITSELF, not the Sage.
Body = Juubi Body, Eyes = Juubi Eyes.
1. Sage = Uzumaki
2. Called Sage = B/C he knew senjutsu (sage mode)
3. He was able to seal the Juubi, which had UNMEASURABLE CHAKRA LEVELS, b/c the Sage also had access to "unlimited Chakra" AKA Sage Mode.
4. Obtained Rinnegan after becoming Jinchurriki. This is why he traveled the world teaching Ninjutsu afterwards, because with the Rinnegan he could now perform ANY and ALL ninjutsu, thus able to teach the world.
5. Gave birth (his wife of course lol) to his 2 sons, which took traits OF THE JUUBI ITSELF, not the Sage.
Body = Juubi Body, Eyes = Juubi Eyes.
hmmm those are interesting scenerios, my favorite about a few of them are the possiblities that after sealing the Juubi, "The Juubi had a evil influence on The Pure Reningan which Created The Sharingan Which was passed on By the Sage to His Desendents" and the split of his body into two, rather than him having his own two sons.
This is all possible and would be very interesting, one thing the might want to be tied in is the 1st Hokage and Madara, just as means to show the whole body vs eye aspect of everything. Also, how these two were most likely the first of his desendents.
hmmm those are interesting scenerios, my favorite about a few of them are the possiblities that after sealing the Juubi, "The Juubi had a evil influence on The Pure Reningan which Created The Sharingan Which was passed on By the Sage to His Desendents" and the split of his body into two, rather than him having his own two sons.
This is all possible and would be very interesting, one thing the might want to be tied in is the 1st Hokage and Madara, just as means to show the whole body vs eye aspect of everything. Also, how these two were most likely the first of his desendents.
Ya the theory u are talking of is the my theory ie theory 5 .... N ya i sincerly believe that the they represnt the elder son vs younger son (iehaishirama vs madara)
yes nice thread and with out a doubt whether or no the sage of six paths had the renningan before or after the jubbi he definitely had an incomparable strength and already increased visual power along with his tools and any other jutsu and yes hashirama and madara do have symbolic meaning as to being senju versus uchiha or big brother versus little brother.
yes nice thread and with out a doubt whether or no the sage of six paths had the renningan before or after the jubbi he definitely had an incomparable strength and already increased visual power along with his tools and any other jutsu and yes hashirama and madara do have symbolic meaning as to being senju versus uchiha or big brother versus little brother.
Ya the theory u are talking of is the my theory ie theory 5 .... N ya i sincerly believe that the they represnt the elder son vs younger son (iehaishirama vs madara)
Most likely, the first DNA has been lethal throughout the series for a reason, the abilities that they both posses represent something. Now, it's all about finding their connection to Naruto and Sasuke or do you think there is no connection, but purely fate itself??
