Sage Nine tails chakra mode Naruto takes a guentlet against Sasuke [Please read ]

[Bronze]

No, look in the thread. He even posted scans. It's KCM and v3 without legs.

Naruto also has sensory skills. He can dodge in the right time, or use clones to avoid a hit.
Also, the KCSM clones would be a great advantage, as they are very fast and powerful, perfect to create a distraction and make powerful combos.

KCM alone tanked that juubi atack which I don't remember the name. He tanked it while protecting the SA as well.
Now, KCM with enchanced durability can tank some of sasuke's atacks.

In the end, he is faster, and has powerful moves that combined can take down the susanoo. If he plays smart and make good use of kage bushin, he can take this.

I have already shown a scan of Sasuke reading the movements of Juubito. Naruto's speed is not going to help at all. Clones aren't going to help either as slashes of Enton or shoots of Magatama takes them out.

Lmao, that was Naruto in Bijuu mode and this thread is KCM Naruto. Get your facts straight. His defence isn't helping him when Enton burns him as he has no way of taking them out of his body.

Speed is useless to EMS. Not when Enton and slashes of Susanoo creates flames of Enton. Magatama makes those clones useless as well.

 

[Wolfus]

I have already shown a scan of Sasuke reading the movements of Juubito. Naruto's speed is not going to help at all. Clones aren't going to help either as slashes of Enton or shoots of Magatama takes them out.

Lmao, that was Naruto in Bijuu mode and this thread is KCM Naruto. Get your facts straight. His defence isn't helping him when Enton burns him as he has no way of taking them out of his body.

Speed is useless to EMS. Not when Enton and slashes of Susanoo creates flames of Enton. Magatama makes those clones useless as well.

1 and 3- Sasuke never displayed magatama. And clones are not useless, as they can dodge the atacks or tank some.
Speed isn't useless. Naruto has sensor skills just as well. Right before the atack, naruto can sense danger and evil, and dodge just before sasuke atacks. Even though sasuke will know where he will be, naruto KCSM is faster, so sasuke won't be able to follow him perfectly right after making an atack.
Sasuke will atack him, but right before the hit, naruto will be able to dodge due to his speed and sensor skills. So, sasuke will be kinf of vunerable, because even if he can read naruto's movements, he just atacked, so he has to move to a new position to atack after naruto did it, which leaves some time for naruto to atack, or even dodge again.
As I said, naruto can use clones as distractions, or even to take a hit in his place. They're not useless either.

2- No, that wasn't. It was KCM

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And while it's true that naruto can't tank enton, he can tank other atacks, and for enton, he can dodge or use kage bushin to get the hit in his place, as I explained above.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Susanoo tanks it comfortably. I see no reason why small TBB would harm susanoo thats much.
Juubi is 100% nature energy therefore its TBB of equal size would be stronger then naruto's
We all seen how BM tanked juubi laser generated by much bigger TBB

 

[adeshina365]

-If BSM Naruto is anything to go by, running SM simultaneously with KM won't provide substantial gains in power (based on BSM feats vs. BM feats).

-Sasuke was capable of tracking Juubito's speed who is both a sensor and significantly faster than KM Naruto. Sasuke simply won't have any trouble landing attacks on Naruto.

-Naruto's Chou Oodama Rasengan was already tanked by a ribcage Susanoo, any level of Susanoo above that won't be phased by it. Rasenshuriken and its variants can be taken care of with Enton.

With that said, Naruto stops at stage 6. His overwhelming clone spam will prove to be too much for Sasuke in stage 5; Sasuke will eventually get overwhelmed. In contrast, Naruto won't be able to get past stage 6 simply because Sasuke's Susanoo will become far too deadly once it gains significant mobility.

 

[Bronze]

1 and 3- Sasuke never displayed magatama. And clones are not useless, as they can dodge the atacks or tank some.
Speed isn't useless. Naruto has sensor skills just as well. Right before the atack, naruto can sense danger and evil, and dodge just before sasuke atacks. Even though sasuke will know where he will be, naruto KCSM is faster, so sasuke won't be able to follow him perfectly right after making an atack.
Sasuke will atack him, but right before the hit, naruto will be able to dodge due to his speed and sensor skills. So, sasuke will be kinf of vunerable, because even if he can read naruto's movements, he just atacked, so he has to move to a new position to atack after naruto did it, which leaves some time for naruto to atack, or even dodge again.
As I said, naruto can use clones as distractions, or even to take a hit in his place. They're not useless either.

2- No, that wasn't. It was KCM

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And while it's true that naruto can't tank enton, he can tank other atacks, and for enton, he can dodge or use kage bushin to get the hit in his place, as I explained above.

You're just making a scenario of how the fight will go down. I have already shown a panel of Sasuke reading and reacting to Juubito's speed. So any other point you want to bring about speed will be ignored as its fanboying nothing more.

Sasuke's Magatama > [

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If Naruto's FRS hits Susanoo, then Sasuke can shield it with Enton [

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Fire > Wind. Enton makes all of Naruto's Rasengan attacks useless.

You made statement Naruto in KCM tanking Juubi's attack. What is that scan supposed to prove?

 

[Wolfus]

You're just making a scenario of how the fight will go down. I have already shown a panel of Sasuke reading and reacting to Juubito's speed. So any other point you want to bring about speed will be ignored as its fanboying nothing more.

Sasuke's Magatama > [

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If Naruto's FRS hits Susanoo, then Sasuke can shield it with Enton [

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Fire > Wind. Enton makes all of Naruto's Rasengan attacks useless.

You made statement Naruto in KCM tanking Juubi's attack. What is that scan supposed to prove?

You say that sasuke can react to naruto's speed, but you're forgetting that the opposite is also going to happen. Naruto is faster, but he also has sensor skills, which makes it perfect for him to avoid the atacks.
You forgot that in the same scan, naruto with his sensor skills also sensed juubito. So he can also react to sasuke, that's my point.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that magatama.
And about the clones, while he's taking them out, he is opened for atacks with other clones and with the original. You seem to forget about that.

You're forgeting one thing: The mommentum of the FRS. Though the enton that would cover him would turn the FRS into enton FRS, the atack would be heading towards him. Actually, the atack would just hit him, and then cause that explosion we've seen. He could be harmed in the process before taking all the flames down.

The scan proved that he was in KCM, and you said he was in BM, which is false. Right after that momment, the juubi makes this explosion

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He tanked that while protecting all of the alliance.

 

[FemmeFatale]

HOnestly I dont see how, because Im sort of blinded by the deadlock, and because Sasuke has a Sharrigan that can control the nine tails, he made contact with him before, and he also has the snake affinty and it able to merge his Susanoo with Snake chakra, assuming he has Juggo, logically Sasuke is stronger.

 

[Bronze]

You say that sasuke can react to naruto's speed, but you're forgetting that the opposite is also going to happen. Naruto is faster, but he also has sensor skills, which makes it perfect for him to avoid the atacks.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that magatama.
And about the clones, while he's taking them out, he is opened for atacks with other clones and with the original. You seem to forget about that.

You're forgeting one thing: The mommentum of the FRS. Though the enton that would cover him would turn the FRS into enton FRS, the atack would be heading towards him. Actually, the atack would just hit him, and then cause that explosion we've seen. He could be harmed in the process before taking all the flames down.

The scan proved that he was in KCM, and you said he was in BM, which is false. Right after that momment, the juubi makes this explosion

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He tanked that while protecting all of the alliance.

No Naruto is not faster than Juubito. Don't be a fanboy. The opposite wont happen as Sasuke reacted to Juubito, meaning he can react to someone who much slower than Juubito. Nothing suggests in his KCM can react to Sasuke's attack which reacted to Juubito who is faster than KCM. Only Naruto in his BM reacted to Juubito due to the fact he is faster than KCM while in BM.

He doesn't need to worry about the original as Susanoo can protect him.

Incorrect. Once Fuuton Rasenshuriken came on contact with Enton, all we saw is black flames [

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I thought you were talking about TBB. Anyway, the Tenepanchi was also tanked by Madara's V2 [

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[adeshina365]

You say that sasuke can react to naruto's speed, but you're forgetting that the opposite is also going to happen. Naruto is faster, but he also has sensor skills, which makes it perfect for him to avoid the atacks.

Juubito is significantly faster than KM Naruto and also a sensor; Sasuke still managed to land hits.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that magatama.
And about the clones, while he's taking them out, he is opened for atacks with other clones and with the original. You seem to forget about that.

The Enton magatama would be shot out from multiple angles: clones and the original would both be under assault.

You're forgeting one thing: The mommentum of the FRS. Though the enton that would cover him would turn the FRS into enton FRS, the atack would be heading towards him. Actually, the atack would just hit him, and then cause that explosion we've seen. He could be harmed in the process before taking all the flames down.

Not if its a strong Enton.

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Also, what explosion? Every time Enton and FRS have come into contact, there was no resulting explosion. Why does Sasuke need to take the flames down? His flames don't

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[Wolfus]

No Naruto is not faster than Juubito. Don't be a fanboy. The opposite wont happen as Sasuke reacted to Juubito, meaning he can react to someone who much slower than Juubito. Nothing suggests in his KCM can react to Sasuke's attack which reacted to Juubito who is faster than KCM. Only Naruto in his BM reacted to Juubito due to the fact he is faster than KCM while in BM.

He doesn't need to worry about the original as Susanoo can protect him.

Incorrect. Once Fuuton Rasenshuriken came on contact with Enton, all we saw is black flames [

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I thought you were talking about TBB. Anyway, the Tenepanchi was also tanked by Madara's V2 [

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] and Naruto has also been affected and his cloak disappeared.

Wow, youre just pushint in the interpretation here. I never said faster than juubito, I said faster than sasuke. KCM's speed is comparable to BM in full kyuubi avatar, as that big size would slow it down a bit. We saw KCM feats. Those feats would be enchanced by the SM. The sensor skills that naruto have, they're almost the same, if not the same. So naruto in KCSM can sense and react to sasuke's atack.

Susanoo can be broken with some atacks

Incorrect. When they were fighting juubito, an explosotion happened.

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You can see the circular shape that the flames covering juubito took. It's like the RS explosion, but covered in enton(it's size is also way greater than when the atack was released.)

That's because he was protecting the entire SA, and ran out of kyuubi chakra. And wasn't madara way further? I mean, considering the position naruto was right after the atack, he was very close.

 

[Wolfus]

Juubito is significantly faster than KM Naruto and also a sensor; Sasuke still managed to land hits.

The Enton magatama would be shot out from multiple angles: clones and the original would both be under assault.


Not if its a strong Enton.

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1- It's KCSM. Sasuke is also slower than juubito. Naruto can react to his atack.

2- Multiple angles doesn't mean all angles, and they can still dodge it.

3- I'm talking about mommentum. If sasuke sets the RS in fire, the atack wouldn't change the direction. And the RS seems heavier than enton. But you got a point, a fast and powerful enton could change the direction

4- Explained in the post above.

 

[adeshina365]

Wow, youre just pushint in the interpretation here. I never said faster than juubito, I said faster than sasuke. KCM's speed is comparable to BM in full kyuubi avatar, as that big size would slow it down a bit. We saw KCM feats. Those feats would be enchanced by the SM. The sensor skills that naruto have, they're almost the same, if not the same. So naruto in KCSM can sense and react to sasuke's atack.

Are you kidding me? You're either incredibly dense and or....

Juubito is also faster than Sasuke. That hasn't stopped Sasuke from tracking him. If Sasuke can track Juubito, then KSM Naruto will be easily tracked; landing hits on him won't be a problem.

Susanoo can be broken with some atacks

Which attacks? A Susanoo ribcage already effortlessly tanked Naruto's CO Rasengan. V2 and higher Susanoo won't be phased by the majority of Naruto's attacks. He'd need large amount of fire power to brake through.

Incorrect. When they were fighting juubito, an explosotion happened.

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You can see the circular shape that the flames covering juubito took. It's like the RS explosion, but covered in enton(it's size is also way greater than when the atack was released.)

That's because he was protecting the entire SA, and ran out of kyuubi chakra. And wasn't madara way further? I mean, considering the position naruto was right after the atack, he was very close.

There is no explosion there, just a large volume of Enton flames.

Where is this "circular thing"? There is no tangible evidence to suggest that any explosion happened.

 

[Wolfus]

Are you kidding me? You're either incredibly dense and or....

Juubito is also faster than Sasuke. That hasn't stopped Sasuke from tracking him. If Sasuke can track Juubito, then KSM Naruto will be easily tracked; landing hits on him won't be a problem.


Which attacks? A Susanoo ribcage already effortlessly tanked Naruto's CO Rasengan. V2 and higher Susanoo won't be phased by the majority of Naruto's attacks. He'd need large amount of fire power to brake through.


There is no explosion there, just a large volume of Enton flames.

Where is this "circular thing"? There is no tangible evidence to suggest that any explosion happened.

1- And naruto did the same. The thing is that juubito was moving, and not dodging an atack. With KCSM, naruto has the sensor skills and speed to sense sasuke's atack, and dodge in the right time. It takes a bit of time to make one atack, then make another in a different direction.

2- I said it, senpou chou oodama RS, for exemple. Also, naruto can make clones barrages. Remember that KCM is very strong, and then he has his strength enchanced by the SM. That could cause some damage.

3- Pay attention to the first panel. The amount of flames. Now look at the left of the flames, and follow the limit line. You can see it. The form the flams are behaving, it als looks like as if there is a circular pattern.

 

[adeshina365]

1- It's KCSM. Sasuke is also slower than juubito. Naruto can react to his atack.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Sasuke is slower than Juubito and can still react to his speed. Why would it matter if KSM Naruto is faster? Use your sense bro.

2- Multiple angles doesn't mean all angles, and they can still dodge it.

Fair point. Though large amount of Enton would get to the point where dodging them is highly unlikely.

3- I'm talking about mommentum. If sasuke sets the RS in fire, the atack wouldn't change the direction. And the RS seems heavier than enton. But you got a point, a fast and powerful enton could change the direction

It's specifically said that if a katon and futon clash which are of equal power, the katon will come back at the futon user with more power.

4- Explained in the post above.

Countered already.

 

[Bronze]

Wow, youre just pushint in the interpretation here. I never said faster than juubito, I said faster than sasuke. KCM's speed is comparable to BM in full kyuubi avatar, as that big size would slow it down a bit. We saw KCM feats. Those feats would be enchanced by the SM. The sensor skills that naruto have, they're almost the same, if not the same. So naruto in KCSM can sense and react to sasuke's atack.

Susanoo can be broken with some atacks

Incorrect. When they were fighting juubito, an explosotion happened.

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You can see the circular shape that the flames covering juubito took. It's like the RS explosion, but covered in enton(it's size is also way greater than when the atack was released.)

That's because he was protecting the entire SA, and ran out of kyuubi chakra. And wasn't madara way further? I mean, considering the position naruto was right after the atack, he was very close.

This will be my last reply, as you can argue with @ adeshina365.

You said ''Naruto is faster'' reply to my comment for Sasuke reacting to Juubito. Anyone reading this would right away notice you're meaning Naruto is faster than Juubito. Make your comments easier to understand. Incorrect. It depends on what form Naruto is when he is gaining those sensory skills of Sage mode. In SM base, he sensed Raikage's spear [

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Not by the attacks of Naruto's especially in V3 legged Susanoo.

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Madara was standing right next to the Juubi [

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[Wolfus]

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Sasuke is slower than Juubito and can still react to his speed. Why would it matter if KSM Naruto is faster? Use your sense bro.

Fair point. Though large amount of Enton would get to the point where dodging them is highly unlikely.

It's specifically said that if a katon and futon clash which are of equal power, the katon will come back at the futon user with more power.


Countered already.

1- Explained above

2- Fair point as well, but with sensor skills and that speed, it's possible

3- Where wa this said I really don't remember.

4- Explained above again.

 

[adeshina365]

1- And naruto did the same. The thing is that juubito was moving, and not dodging an atack. With KCSM, naruto has the sensor skills and speed to sense sasuke's atack, and dodge in the right time. It takes a bit of time to make one atack, then make another in a different direction.

Please tell me you're joking.

Obito was moving to dodge the attacks from Naruto and Sasuke. This is indisputable.

If Sasuke can hit Juubito, he can hit KSM Naruto. Stop this BS argument.

2- I said it, senpou chou oodama RS, for exemple. Also, naruto can make clones barrages. Remember that KCM is very strong, and then he has his strength enchanced by the SM. That could cause some damage.

Fair point. Though with Sasuke apprehending most clones, their won't be a clone barrage.

3- Pay attention to the first panel. The amount of flames. Now look at the left of the flames, and follow the limit line. You can see it. The form the flams are behaving, it als looks like as if there is a circular pattern.

You are talking out of your ass. There was no explosion; the flames are an irregularly shaped mass.

The same thing happened with COFRS and the Juubi. There was no explosion.

1- Explained above

Countered.

3- Where wa this said I really don't remember.

In the ****ing scan I posted.

4- Explained above again.

Countered.

 

[Wolfus]

This will be my last reply, as you can argue with @ adeshina365.

You said ''Naruto is faster'' reply to my comment for Sasuke reacting to Juubito. Anyone reading this would right away notice you're meaning Naruto is faster than Juubito. Make your comments easier to understand. Incorrect. It depends on what form Naruto is when he is gaining those sensory skills of Sage mode. In SM base, he sensed Raikage's spear [

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], while in Bijuu mode, he sensed Obito's speed of all sudden. So this hints, Naruto's sensing becomes superior as in the mode he is. Not to mention in Bijuu mode, absorbed Senjutsu a lot faster than his base [

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]. Therefore, he has limits in his sensing while on KCM. Even if he were to react to Sasuke's massive scale of Enton(which he wont), Sasuke will notice and go faster.

Not by the attacks of Naruto's especially in V3 legged Susanoo.

This the first time Sasuke and Naruto combining their attacks to hit Juubito [

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]. As you can witness, they were no smoke released from their attacks. The smoke you're seeing in that panel were released from Obito's attack [

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1- Ok, I could've said it better. You're missundestanding. You compared SM sensor skils with BSM. You should compare KCM with BM. I'm saying that KCM sensor skills are close to BM. And KCSM would be KCM sensor skills combined and amplified by SM. So, he can react to sasuke's atacks. He can sense them, and move right away. Sasuke could follow his movements, but naruto can do the same.

2- Oh, a combination of atacks and senpou chou oodama RS can take it down.

3- But in the scan I put, you can see the circular pattern of the flames, similar to the explosion of the RS.

4- Yeah, you got a point. But still, it's a feat.

 

[Wolfus]

Please tell me you're joking.

Obito was moving to dodge the attacks from Naruto and Sasuke. This is indisputable.

If Sasuke can hit Juubito, he can hit KSM Naruto. Stop this BS argument.


Fair point. Though with Sasuke apprehending most clones, their won't be a clone barrage.


You are talking out of your ass. There was no explosion; the flames are an irregularly shaped mass.

The same thing happened with COFRS and the Juubi. There was no explosion.

Countered.

In the ****ing scan I posted.

Countered.

1- I'm sorry, I forgot, so i just checked the battle. Juubito still reacted to the next atack though, by blocking it releasing the black thing. It's a reaction.
And what makes you think that KCSM can't sense sasuke's atack and dodge from it in the right time?

2- He can make more clones, or the others can dodge the atacks.

3- No, I'm not. The flames were in a circular(spinning, actually) patter. And there was much more enton than previously. Enton only burns the targe, why would it get so large suddently? Because it exploded.
But you're right about the COFRS, that time it didn't explode.

4- Not necessary to say it since it's in other topics, so we end topic 4.

 

[adeshina365]

1- I'm sorry, I forgot, so i just checked the battle. Juubito still reacted to the next atack though, by blocking it releasing the black thing. It's a reaction.
And what makes you think that KCSM can't sense sasuke's atack and dodge from it in the right time?

I just realized that there is an inherent gap in logic here.

Sasuke and Naruto were both able to react Juubito's speed. Logically both are slower than Juubito; therefore logic would dictate that both would be capable of hitting each other, but both are capable of reacting to Juubito level speeds as well....

My apologies.

2- He can make more clones, or the others can dodge the atacks.

Every time he makes more clones he divides his chakra. He won't go on doing that forever. Your latter point has already been addressed in an earlier post.

3- No, I'm not. The flames were in a circular(spinning, actually) patter. And there was much more enton than previously. Enton only burns the targe, why would it get so large suddently? Because it exploded.
But you're right about the COFRS, that time it didn't explode.

Are you ****ing kidding me? Of course its larger. Enton consumes futon and increases in size. Read the scan that was posted previously, Yamato specifically mentions that this will happen (to a katon).

There was no explosion; Enton flames has always had that pattern:

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