Sage Mode Naruto vs Hebi Sasuke (REALLY NEED HELP, Cant decide)

[salamander uchiha]

Yes he does. Senjutsu allows to sense your opponent even if you're blind Hebi Sasuke isn't faster. He almost by Deidra explosion, which was shown in chapter 363, while Fukkasaku said at the end of chapter 430 that Sage Mode Naruto surpassed Jiraya.

at the ABC logic.

Just show the feats sensory powers mean nothing on their own. The only way you could argue Hebi Sasuke isn't faster is if you can prove how slow Deidara's explosion is. Or prove how fast Naruto is compared to it. Surpassing Jiraiya means nothing, and I hope you're not taking that statement literally. It requires context, try and figure it out. Jiriaya Sensei had an arsenal of jutsu which shits on SM Naruto especially the one from chapter 430. SM Naruto admitted he couldn't beat 3 tomoe Sasuke and needed Kurama's power to fight him.

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[ShogunSpiderman89]

at the ABC logic.

Just show the feats sensory powers mean nothing on their own. The only way you could argue Hebi Sasuke isn't faster is if you can prove how slow Deidara's explosion is. Or prove how fast Naruto is compared to it. Surpassing Jiraiya means nothing, and I hope you're not taking that statement literally. It requires context, try and figure it out. Jiriaya Sensei had an arsenal of jutsu which shits on SM Naruto especially the one from chapter 430. SM Naruto admitted he couldn't beat 3 tomoe Sasuke and needed Kurama's power to fight him.

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You're clearly making up your own head canon and you cleary don't know what sensory awareness is.

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No, Fukkasaku literally that Sage Mode Naruto was stronger than Jiraya

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SM Naruto didn't say he couldn't beat Hebi Sasuke. He said that in the beginning of the Shippuden arc and didn't even know about Sage Mode until after Jiraya died and then later said he needed the Kyubii to defeat MS Sasuke in chapter 490 I believe or around there aka Taka Sasuke as opposed to Sasuke saying he needed Itachi's eyes to defeat Naruto in chapter 487.

Deidra's exlosion because Sasuke pretty much said he almost died after Deidra's explosion and was exhausted even before then.

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[salamander uchiha]

You're clearly making up your own head canon and you cleary don't know what sensory awareness is.

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Where's Naruto's application of the sensory perception with eyes shut. Rinnegan Nagato isn't Naruto unless you're suggesting Naruto has the Rinnegan.

No, Fukkasaku literally that Sage Mode Naruto was stronger than Jiraya

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Learn the context SM Jiriaya would shit on SM Naruto.

SM Naruto didn't say he couldn't beat Hebi Sasuke. He said that in the beginning of the Shippuden arc and didn't even know about Sage Mode until after Jiraya died and then later said he needed the Kyubii to defeat MS Sasuke in chapter 490 I believe or around there aka Taka Sasuke as opposed to Sasuke saying he needed Itachi's eyes to defeat Naruto in chapter 487.

Naruto had SM access and he said if he fought Sasuke they would die. He was referring to 3 tomoe Sasuke since he didn't know about MS Sasuke till the war arc. He admitted to Neji he couldn't beat Sasuke and on top of that he said he needed Kurama chakra to fight Sasuke. None of that requires an explanation.

Deidra's exlosion because Sasuke pretty much said he almost died after Deidra's explosion and was exhausted even before then.

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So you're argument is Sasuke couldn't outrun C0 which covers a distance of around 20km.

 

[ShogunSpiderman89]

He was talking about Taka Sasuke aka MS Sasuke. Remember he changed the from Team Hebi to Taka, awokening the MS after the finding out the truth about Itachi, which was right before with Killer Bee and the Kage Summit not to mention Taka Sasuke felt the same way Naruto did, which was shown in chapter 487 and it was the EMS that was implanted in the War Arc.

Here's proof that Sasuke got the MS before the Kage Summit and his battle against Killer Bee

This is when he awakens the MS

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This is when he has the EMS implanted in him

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Once again Fukkasaku literally stated that SM Naruto was stronger than Jiraya in the end of chapter 430 and I already sent the link my last comment, which you either didn't or just completly ignored.

Deidra wasn't even the strongest Akatskui and literally admitted Sasori was stronger who's nowhere Pein's level and I already sent the link where Hebi Sasuke almost died by Deidra's hands in my last comment.

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Yes, SM Naruto can close his eyes off to negate his Genjutsu because senjutsu isn't a visual jutsu like the Sharigan. It's an ability that allows to sense others chakra aka sensory awareness and even if he couldn't Sasuke can't decipher between the real Naruto the SC. Rinnegan Sasuke couldn't even do it in their final battle as shown in chapter 697 as you can see here.

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[HowDidIGetPrem]

Naruto had SM access and he said if he fought Sasuke they would die. He was referring to 3 tomoe Sasuke since he didn't know about MS Sasuke till the war arc. He admitted to Neji he couldn't beat Sasuke and on top of that he said he needed Kurama chakra to fight Sasuke. None of that requires an explanation.

I know you've seen these panels 50 times now.

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Any admittance to not being able to beat Sasuke around that time period would tie into these panels that clarify beating Sasuke isn't just a test of strength, and any mentions for needing Kurama's chakra later on were just in anticipation to Sasuke's later powerspikes with the baseline being the fact that Sasuke is stronger than Danzo, aka, a Future Sasuke who isn't half-blind and is assumed to be stronger than Hebi Sasuke.

Furthermore, Naruto wouldn't tell K11 the whole story nor would he tell the frog. Mastering Kurama's power was largely about that bearing hatred bullshit Naruto kept throwing around, which was the key to defeating Indra himself.

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[NarutoX28]

I don't understand why this thread is being resurrected. It's very clear that SM Naruto is the winner and his performance against Pain is a testament to that.

 

[salamander uchiha]

I know you've seen these panels 50 times now.

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Any admittance to not being able to beat Sasuke around that time period would tie into these panels that clarify beating Sasuke isn't just a test of strength, and any mentions for needing Kurama's chakra later on were just in anticipation to Sasuke's later powerspikes with the baseline being the fact that Sasuke is stronger than Danzo, aka, a Future Sasuke who isn't half-blind and is assumed to be stronger than Hebi Sasuke.

Furthermore, Naruto wouldn't tell K11 the whole story nor would he tell the frog. Mastering Kurama's power was largely about that bearing hatred bullshit Naruto kept throwing around, which was the key to defeating Indra himself.

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All speculation Naruto knew he couldn't fight Sasuke with TSM and win. He even said we'd both die, that was while knowing of only 3 tome Sasuke. Naruto's too dense to think about how strong Danzo is or power spikes. The only reason he needed 9 tails chakra for 3 tomoe Sasuke was so he doesn't die in the process. Note he said need which is a necessity leaving no room for possibility.

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We've done this dance before but do I need to repost the scan from the war arc where Naruto learns of the MS for the first time?

 

[ShogunSpiderman89]

All speculation Naruto knew he couldn't fight Sasuke with TSM and win. He even said we'd both die, that was while knowing of only 3 tome Sasuke. Naruto's too dense to think about how strong Danzo is or power spikes. The only reason he needed 9 tails chakra for 3 tomoe Sasuke was so he doesn't die in the process. Note he said need which is a necessity leaving no room for possibility.

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We've done this dance before but do I need to repost the scan from the war arc where Naruto learns of the MS for the first time?

It was Taka Sasuke aka MS Sasuke. He awakened it after Obito told thim the truth about Itachi. I already sent and if you don't feel like watching it Google Sasuke awakens the MS and you'll see for yourself not to mention you left this part as well since you want go there.

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Hebi Sasuke doesn't have The MS. He has Orochumaru's cursemark and chakra.

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[salamander uchiha]

It was Taka Sasuke aka MS Sasuke. He awakened it after Obito told thim the truth about Itachi. I already sent and if you don't feel like watching it Google Sasuke awakens the MS and you'll see for yourself not to mention you left this part as well since you want go there.

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Hebi Sasuke doesn't have The MS. He has Orochumaru's cursemark and chakra.

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It was Taka Sasuke aka MS Sasuke. He awakened it after Obito told thim the truth about Itachi. I already sent and if you don't feel like watching it Google Sasuke awakens the MS and you'll see for yourself not to mention you left this part as well since you want go there.

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Hebi Sasuke doesn't have The MS. He has Orochumaru's cursemark and chakra.

You're new so I'll give your comprehension ability the benefit of the doubt. What I'm saying, and I'll spell it out for you.

SM Naruto clashed with Taka Sasuke, but SM Naruto only knows of 3 tomoe Sasuke's abilities. The one that no diffed him, Yamamoto and Sai in the cave, while having only 3 tomoe. Naruto doesn't know about MS Sasuke, he learns about his MS during the 4th war. In other words SM capable Naruto is admitting he can't beat 3 Tomoe Sasuke with an upper limit of CS2 and they both would die. Hebi Sasuke with Orochimaru's power on top of that is stronger than CS2 3 tomoe Sasuke(Orochimaru's lair one that solod new team) which means SM Naruto would lose badly.

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No shit.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

All speculation Naruto knew he couldn't fight Sasuke with TSM and win. He even said we'd both die, that was while knowing of only 3 tome Sasuke. Naruto's too dense to think about how strong Danzo is or power spikes. The only reason he needed 9 tails chakra for 3 tomoe Sasuke was so he doesn't die in the process. Note he said need which is a necessity leaving no room for possibility.

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We've done this dance before but do I need to repost the scan from the war arc where Naruto learns of the MS for the first time?

Your argument hinges on Naruto being a total dumbass who couldn't discern the fact that Danzo was powerful. Why would Naruto, in your interpretation, suddenly be clever enough to have a good estimate of where 3-Tomoed Sasuke lied on the powerscale when he only had a weakened Sasuke to work with? Or are you actually trying to argue that Naruto thought he was no stronger than a weakened Sasuke despite his ability to stalemate Sasuke in base form?
You also still have no real rebuttal to the fact that Naruto was preparing for Sasuke. Preparing being something done in anticipation for the future. The Future Sasuke that even a child can reason out as being stronger than the blind Sasuke at the time.

 

[ShogunSpiderman89]

You're new so I'll give your comprehension ability the benefit of the doubt. What I'm saying, and I'll spell it out for you.

SM Naruto clashed with Taka Sasuke, but SM Naruto only knows of 3 tomoe Sasuke's abilities. The one that no diffed him, Yamamoto and Sai in the cave, while having only 3 tomoe. Naruto doesn't know about MS Sasuke, he learns about his MS during the 4th war. In other words SM capable Naruto is admitting he can't beat 3 Tomoe Sasuke with an upper limit of CS2 and they both would die. Hebi Sasuke with Orochimaru's power on top of that is stronger than CS2 3 tomoe Sasuke(Orochimaru's lair one that solod new team) which means SM Naruto would lose badly.

You really didn't pay attention to the Kage Summit not to mention Taka Sasuke as healed by Karin after his battle against Danzo and it's clear that you're making about your own head canon because at the point in time he didn't have the cursemark anymore. He lost it after battle against Itachi who let him the battle acdording to Obito when telling him the truth about Itachi, but that's another story. Rewatch the battle between Sasuke and Itachi and you'll see he didn't even have the cursemark when Naruto said that. Once again it was Taka Sasuke he was referring to. Once again Sasuke awakening the MS and here's a video for you and MS Sasuke that he did the clash with.

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The hideout was at the beginning of Shippuden. The Kage Summit happened much later.

Once again this is the 3rd Tomatoe Sharigan as you can see all the way on the bottom left

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Back to Danzo he was using the MS when facing him and even Sasuke fans who've watched the show for a long time know that I'm right and you're wrong.

Edit:I'm not new to the show. I've been watching for years

Sasuke got the cursemark from the forest up until after his battle against Itachi, which in between was Hebi Sasuke, which is who we're talking about.

The Kage Summit Summit happened much later where Sasuke didn't even have the cursemark because he lost it after his battle against Itachi. He had the MS and Amaterasu.

 

[ShogunSpiderman89]

Now I'm finished

 

[salamander uchiha]

somebody give me comprehension lessons please

Its good you need some, do you not understand what I'm saying?

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Your argument hinges on Naruto being a total dumbass who couldn't discern the fact that Danzo was powerful. Why would Naruto, in your interpretation, suddenly be clever enough to have a good estimate of where 3-Tomoed Sasuke lied on the powerscale when he only had a weakened Sasuke to work with? Or are you actually trying to argue that Naruto thought he was no stronger than a weakened Sasuke despite his ability to stalemate Sasuke in base form?
You also still have no real rebuttal to the fact that Naruto was preparing for Sasuke. Preparing being something done in anticipation for the future. The Future Sasuke that even a child can reason out as being stronger than the blind Sasuke at the time.

Of course he's a complete dumbass, the poor fool forgot senjutsu only works on a JJ. Why would he assume Danzo's strong, to him Danzo has 0 hype?

What Naruto knows is 3 tomoe Sasuke butt raped them and he knows Sasuke defeated Orochimaru. Why would I need a rebuttal, Naruto's own admittance is enough. And his current knowledge confirms he doesn't plan on future power ups.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Hebi Sasuke>Sage Mode Naruto.

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Sasuke needed a lot of prep time for that version of Kirin he used on Itachi and only was able to do it because Itachi allowed and if anyone doesn't believe me just read chapter 401.

Ironic you say Kirin needs prep as reasoning to claim Naruto would beat him when it was made clear how Sage Mode needs prep.

Hebi Sasuke barely survived Deidra's explosion despite finding the weakness of his bombs, which was lighting because the bombs were earth style. In response to snakes vs toads Gamabunta held his own against Shukaku. None of the snakes the Hebi Sasuke has summoned has been shown to do this once.

Sasuke held back against Deidara, whom had Tobi's help, intel, a preplanned counter (against Sharingan Genjutsu), a preplanned strategy (Tobi, landmines), and the element of surprise (he went out knowing he would fight Sasuke whom knew nothing about him).

It took Gamabunta, Katsuyu, Jiraiya, and Tsunade to handle Manda during the Sanin battle with a super nerfed Orochimaru. Hebi Sasuke on the otherhand is not nerfed, absorbed Orochimaru to acquire his power, plus he has Manda and Aoda. The latter of whom contended with the Juubi babies.

If Sasuke had kill intent he could have speed blitz Deidara as he did Tobi in the start. Both Tobi and Deidara even admitted Sasuke was too fast for Deidara so it's clear he would have easily prevailed had Deidara been his intended target. More proof of Sasuke holding back is the fact that he didn't use either of the aforementioned snakes offensively.

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He was talking about Taka Sasuke aka MS Sasuke. Remember he changed the from Team Hebi to Taka, awokening the MS after the finding out the truth about Itachi, which was right before with Killer Bee and the Kage Summit not to mention Taka Sasuke felt the same way Naruto did, which was shown in chapter 487 and it was the EMS that was implanted in the War Arc.

Well in Sasuke's case he knew that he needed the upgrade due to health purposed as he had lost alot of his sight.

You really didn't pay attention to the Kage Summit not to mention Taka Sasuke as healed by Karin after his battle against Danzo

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[ShogunSpiderman89]

Hebi Sasuke>Sage Mode Naruto.

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Ironic you say Kirin needs prep as reasoning to claim Naruto would beat him when it was made clear how Sage Mode needs prep.



Sasuke held back against Deidara, whom had Tobi's help, intel, a preplanned counter (against Sharingan Genjutsu), a preplanned strategy (Tobi, landmines), and the element of surprise (he went out knowing he would fight Sasuke whom knew nothing about him).

It took Gamabunta, Katsuyu, Jiraiya, and Tsunade to handle Manda during the Sanin battle with a super nerfed Orochimaru. Hebi Sasuke on the otherhand is not nerfed, absorbed Orochimaru to acquire his power, plus he has Manda and Aoda. The latter of whom contended with the Juubi babies.

If Sasuke had kill intent he could have speed blitz Deidara as he did Tobi in the start. Both Tobi and Deidara even admitted Sasuke was too fast for Deidara so it's clear he would have easily prevailed had Deidara been his intended target. More proof of Sasuke holding back is the fact that he didn't use either of the aforementioned snakes offensively.

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Well in Sasuke's case he knew that he needed the upgrade due to health purposed as he had lost alot of his sight.

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1. Naruto has the SC to help him with Sage Mode, so prep time isn't a real factor. Hebi Sasuke to do multiple DFJ to create a really powerful Kirin and Imgur has nothing to do with the topic, since MS Sasuke is Taka Sasuke

2. That was beginning of the fight and Deidra still almost killed him, which Sasuke said himself in chapter 363

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3. Even if Manda cooperate or he controls him the Sharigan that'd be useless because Sage Mode Naruto could just slam him like he did with 1 of Peins Summonings not to mention Fukkasaku said that he surpassed Jiraya in the end of chapter 430

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4. It was for a power up, which he told Obito to implant it in him and even if that was true Sasuke knew the side effects going vack to his battle against Itachi

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5.Even if Sasuke connects with the Kirin it would do anything to Naruto because Sage Mode allows him to take it head on as well as heal him, which Fukkasaku said in chapter 415

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Edit: 6.Fukkasaku and Shima could just send Manda in a genjutsu as well.

Edit: I forgot to mention you left out that Jiraya was weakned when facing Orochimaru by LT poison and she was holding back too because he hadn't even use the Byakagu yet

Edit: Sasuke can't decipher between the real Naruto and the SC in response to both amaterasu & genjutsu. He couldn't even do it their final battle as shown in chapter 697 and you left out that in chapter 487 that Sasuke also took Itachi's eyes to combat Naruto and no it was blindness. It was for power up.

Base Sasuke can't evade the Rasenshuriken because Sage Naruto hit the Human Path with. He couldn't even evade Killer Bee's atk when they were fighting and you left out this part as well

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Amaterasu destroying the scroll is mere speclution rather than fact and showing a battle between Kakashi Zabuza doesn't show anything not to mention Kakashi used the scroll to do a Summoning Jutsus prior to that.

You're another 1 who overhypes Sasuke because when he was his base form he got destroyed when fighting Killer Bee. Sasuke isn't as smart as you make him out to be and since you want to talk about the Amaterasu the 4th Raikage dodged it and his Naruto's SC outsmarted the 3rd Raikage using Sage Mode

If he was as smart you made him out to be he would've found the truth about Itachi without Obito telling him. In the majority of the arcs it was Naruto who training and since you want to talk about the Chunin Exams Naruto was the 1 who defeated Gaara not Sasuke.

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Its good you need some, do you not understand what I'm saying?

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Of course he's a complete dumbass, the poor fool forgot senjutsu only works on a JJ. Why would he assume Danzo's strong, to him Danzo has 0 hype?

What Naruto knows is 3 tomoe Sasuke butt raped them and he knows Sasuke defeated Orochimaru. Why would I need a rebuttal, Naruto's own admittance is enough. And his current knowledge confirms he doesn't plan on future power ups.

You're the one who doesn't understand and making up your head canon, so there's no point in reasonjng with you anymore and I'll leave it here.

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1. Naruto has the SC to help him with Sage Mode, so prep time isn't a real factor. Hebi Sasuke to do multiple DFJ to create a really powerful Kirin and Imgur has nothing to do with the topic, since MS Sasuke is Taka Sasuke

2. That was beginning of the fight and Deidra still almost killed him, which Sasuke said himself in chapter 363

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3. Even if Manda cooperate or he controls him the Sharigan that'd be useless because Sage Mode Naruto could just slam him like he did with 1 of Peins Summonings not to mention Fukkasaku said that he surpassed Jiraya in the end of chapter 430

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4. It was for a power up, which he told Obito to implant it in him and even if that was true Sasuke knew the side effects going vack to his battle against Itachi

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5.Even if Sasuke connects with the Kirin it would do anything to Naruto because Sage Mode allows him to take it head on as well as heal him, which Fukkasaku said in chapter 415

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Edit: 6.Fukkasaku and Shima could just send Manda in a genjutsu as well.

Edit: I forgot to mention you left out that Jiraya was weakned when facing Orochimaru by LT poison and she was holding back too because he hadn't even use the Byakagu yet

1) You clearly didn't pay attention well enough cause i explained how Hebi Sasuke is superior to SM Naruto using Hebi Sasuke feats. Obviously since Hebi is superior, MS is aswell. I didn't actually go through MS Sasuke's feats.

And i posted the pages confirming Naruto is limited to 3 clones while in Sage Mode/trying to enter Sage Mode. More clones interfere with his focus.

2) You're using an exhausted Sasuke's reaction speed to downplay his speed, rather than acknowledging how in full health he was stated to be too fast for Deidara.

3) The point is Manda alone can handle multiple frog summonings.

4) He never intended to go blind to begin with, but from overusing his Mangekyo through unexpected difficulties (multiple Kage & guards attacking him when he was only planning to fight Danzo, Danzo possessing Izanagi which forced him to continuously use Susano'o & Amaterasu once, then Kakashi) it became neccessary to gain EMS as most of his vision was gone.

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5) That's BS. Kirin would obliterate Naruto. SM enhances his durability but it doesn't make him invincible.

6) Aoda and or Sasuke can handle them.

 

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1. No you didn't. The imugur was about MS Sasuke. Hebi Sasuke wasn't mentioned once aside from the 1st sentence and it wasn't Hebi Sasuke he was talking to. It was Taka Sasuke. Remember Team Hebi was changed into Team Taka when he awoken the MS. MS Sasuke's are different from Hebi's

MS Sauske abilities

Susanoo

Amaterasu

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Cursemark

Orochimaru's chakra

2. He got exhausted because he had to use the Chidori on himself because Deidra put the moni bombs inside his body.

3. No he can't Fukkasaku alone could slam him and put him in a genjutsu

4. He still knew about the side effects going back to his battle against Itachi, which you're ignoring and when he was gaining the EMS it was soley for power up. Sasuke even said it himself

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5. No it wouldn't. Sage Mode Naruto tanked Tendo's AP, so it'll tank the Kirin

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Fukkasaku that he surpassed Jiraya in chapter 430. Hebi Sasuke is nowhere near Jiraya's level

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6. Sasuke maybe Aoda no way. Fukkasaku and Shima could just send him in a genjutsu.

 

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1. No you didn't. The imugur was about MS Sasuke. Hebi Sasuke wasn't mentioned once aside from the 1st sentence and it wasn't Hebi Sasuke he was talking to. It was Taka Sasuke. Remember Team Hebi was changed into Team Taka when he awoken the MS. MS Sasuke's are different from Hebi's

MS Sauske abilities

Susanoo

Amaterasu

Hebi Sasuke

Cursemark

Orochimaru's chakra

2. He got exhausted because he had to use the Chidori on himself because Deidra put the moni bombs inside his body.

3. No he can't Fukkasaku alone could slam him and put him in a genjutsu

4. He still knew about the side effects going back to his battle against Itachi, which you're ignoring and when he was gaining the EMS it was soley for power up. Sasuke even said it himself

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5. No it wouldn't. Sage Mode Naruto tanked Tendo's AP, so it'll tank the Kirin

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Fukkasaku that he surpassed Jiraya in chapter 430. Hebi Sasuke is nowhere near Jiraya's level

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6. Sasuke maybe Aoda no way. Fukkasaku and Shima could just send him in a genjutsu.

1) I highlighted Sage Mode's limits, pointed out how Base Sasuke is quick enough to evade RasenShuriken, mentioned Chidori Senbon & weapon summoning, and pointed out how he can see chakra with his Sharingan. Thereby knowing how much Senjutsu chakra Naruto has. The only time i mentioned Sasuke using an MS ability was when i said he could set the summoning scroll on fire with Amaterasu. Then i mentioned a Hebi Sasuke feat (weapon summoning) which achieves the same goal (wrecking the scroll so Naruto can't re-enter SM through Shadow Clones).

The point was Hebi Sasuke - in other words, 3 tomoe Sharingan & CM Sasuke>SM Naruto. Therefore MS Sasuke>SM Naruto aswell. If i was really focusing on MS then i would have mentioned Susano'o's feats.

I even specifically said, "Sasuke is far superior to Naruto. He barely needs to use the MS to win." In the title i even pointed out how Hebi Sasuke doesn't even need the CM to win

2) I know. So he wasn't in good condition when he countered the ultimate explosion. So it's ridiculous to use that scene to downplay his speed when he was already proven far superior when he was in good health.

3) I was referring to the giant toads that appeared in the Pain battle. By the way, Ma was the one who used chakra to summon the toads. If Naruto were to do it himself he would have far less chakra for Sage Mode. So if he were to fight Sasuke he likely wouldn't use so many toads.

4) It is because he was aware of how the Mangekyo's limitations could be overcome, that he was willing to use it so much. Do you think if he didn't know that he would still overuse his eyes? Rather than take the time to enhance his other abilities before heading out for revenge? This is the same guy who gained CM2 yet still trained for 3 years afterwards.

Anyway, pay closer attention to his words. After Tobi mentioned his declining sight, he told Tobi he wants to be at full strength when he fought Naruto. He didn't say he wanted an increase in power. He prioritized getting back to full health. Any power boost was just a bonus.

5) You speak as if that Almighty Push was the same level as the one that destroyed Konoha. It wasn't anywhere close. Kirin obliterated the Uchiha Fortress.

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