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uuuumm...........SM Naruto did defeat pain can Gaara do that?
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give gaara toad summons,intel like naruto change it to suna,let the paths be as they were in naruto and add shukaku and yes gaara quite handily,cuz gaara wud accept help unlike naruto as he is the kazekage,temari makes quick work of the animal path and her summons with her weasel,gaara with the dessert makes human path and naraka path inert,asura missiles are blocked by sand or blown away then cast net deals with him,preta cany absorb sand itself only chakra,gaara simply uses dessert sand to crush him,deva path,at half power cant do CT on gaara cuz it might kill him as he wont access shukaku directly,or just trap him in a sand ball which gaara can simply break out of,either way CT isnt happening,naruto used clones to tank CT,am pretty sure gaara can replicate that with sand,then ofcourse the tnj and pnj come into play and then nagato revives all the suna shinobi.however i seem to remember deva beat the pants off of naruto,pinned him with chakra rods,he was saved by hinata,went into six tails,got whooped by CT,went 8 tails,was about to get whooped by an even bigger CT,sage naruto then showed himself and finally beat deva path whiuch was like 10% power left,then tnj to nagato and then all say naruto beat pain.
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, Gaara didn't tank anything, and
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was right in front of him. Naruto only needs 2 rasenshuriken to do the job, besides, this is not the same Naruto who fought Pain. Naruto obviously improved in sage mode as you can see during the war arc, and he was even training to improve it when he went to the land of iron.
Gaara's sand never blocked Amaterasu. Sasuke never even used Amaterasu, he used Enton, which is different from Amaterasu since it is using Amaterasu's flames for shape manipulation. Actually Sasuke wasn't even attacking Gaara, he was
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which completely changes the situation. Also,
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is a panel of an actual Amaterasu if you want to compare the two, since Enton and Amaterasu are obviously different.
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Even if Gaara's sand is stronger now, he's not going to kill the toads that easily.Deva also used shinra tensei to decimate a village so he uses it with varying levels of power, and you can't compare gravity based attacks to Gaara's sand as they are two totally different types of attacks.
Naruto threw giant boss toads in the air like they were nothing, Kimimaro and Lee are kinda irrelevant here. Also, I don't think Naruto could just punch through the sand, but a Rasengan will do.
Rasengan and joki boi deal different types of damage, jouki boy is an explosion while Rasengan drills into someones insides. Naruto's rasengan could do
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, base naruto without sage chakra to power his attacks
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, Gaara ain't doing anything.I haven't yet mentioned the attacks from gamabunta and the other toads. Gamabunta alone could shoot
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that
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. He can shoot oil too which can protect himself and the others from sand hail and what not, and if he attacks Gaara's sand it's going to screw Gaara over. We never saw the Mizukage use a boatload of oil on Gaara (he only used enough to protect himself) but Gaara still couldn't do anything, this is a giant toad that can keep shooting it out.
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This would be somewhat of a close fight but I have to give it to Sage Naruto. I am not biased because I like both Gaara and Naruto pretty equally but remember Sage Naruto was around the same level as MS Sasuke who it took Gaara, Kankuro, Temari and Darui to deal with but they still couldn't even though Sasuke didn't even perfect his powers at that time.
Anyway to avoid a sand tsunami Naruto can make clones and make those clones throw Naruto high up in the air where he throws a rasenshuriken at Gaara's sand. Naruto is a sensor so he will likely throw a FRS at part of Gaara's defence where the amount of chakra in the sand is relatively low.
I am pretty sure that Naruto's ability to jump really high in sage mode along with using clones to throw him up will help him avoid a sand tsunami.
The question is can Gaara outlast Naruto? I don't think so because Naruto has two clones which he can use so he has a total of 6 FRS at his disposal. Two should do the trick. One will destroy Gaara's defence and the other will kill Gaara.
Anyway to avoid a sand tsunami Naruto can make clones and make those clones throw Naruto high up in the air where he throws a rasenshuriken at Gaara's sand. Naruto is a sensor so he will likely throw a FRS at part of Gaara's defence where the amount of chakra in the sand is relatively low.
I am pretty sure that Naruto's ability to jump really high in sage mode along with using clones to throw him up will help him avoid a sand tsunami.
The question is can Gaara outlast Naruto? I don't think so because Naruto has two clones which he can use so he has a total of 6 FRS at his disposal. Two should do the trick. One will destroy Gaara's defence and the other will kill Gaara.
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onoki and gaara stopped 1 meteor,madara sent another one crashing through it and they both hit the division,gaara was unfazed by the attack and if his shield of sand protected him from that meteor that leveled an entire division AS WELL AS MADARA WHO WAS IN HIS SUSANOO AT THE TIME,why can't it protect him from rasenshuriken?,or is the destructive force of RS above that meteor? Naruto can't spam RS,he needs to actually create it,then throw it,gaara cud easily intercept it mid-flight with his sand or do a substitution with a sand shell like against lee which took a second of blinking from lee to accomplish at the age of 12,and why wud sasuke praise gaara's defence if gaara attacked? Also sasuke only used enton on the raikage to defend himself,the only offensive technique with enton is magatama which he did first while using ema,gaara blocked amaterasu,it is stated everywhere,including the narutopedia. Bunta stopped a sand cofin meant for naruto,how is that a feat?,bunta is much larger than naruto,and he can't spam toad oil,IIRC he has used it only once or twice in each of his fights,gaara cus easily crush his legs if he focuses on sand hail which he will,gaara also has a large stack of sand in his gourd as well,making more sand is too easy for him,i am pretty sure 5 madara COMPLETE susanooswords>rasengan, and joki boy's explosion>oodama rasengan,also meteor attack>RS, and gaara walked out of all those moves unfazed. Against the mizukage,he cudnt kill him,he needed to seal him and he was just stalling so that onoki cud destroy the clam,didnt he capture the mizukage immediately the clam was destroyed?,gaara can also simply fly away and just spam sand moves,he has the chakra to do so,and the kyubi gave naruto enough of it's chakra to destroy that forest cuz it hated madara,naruto jumping is a bad ides cuz rain of sand or sand hail just brings him down,ofcourse we have the sand tsunami whuch will crush both naruto and his summons if caught.gaara wins this.
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The previous meteor being stopped still softened the impact of the next one. How do you think Temari and some random fodders survived. Can nameless fodder ninja survive RS too? That's a trip.
RS is too fast for that,
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, it's faster than anything Gaara has ever blocked. Naruto has his own fair share of knowledge on tactics like clone feints, so Gaara wouldn't be the only one with stuff like kawarimi and sand clones.I don't think you actually clicked on the manga pages i provided for you otherwise you would see that Sasuke guarded himself with Enton.
Bunta stopped sand that was going straight for Naruto so that means his tongue is durable enough to survive getting hit by sand, and Bunta, Naruto, and the other toads aren't going to stand there waiting for Gaara's sand to crush and kill them. Why can't Bunta spam oil? He has enough stamina to fight off shukaku and to my knowledge oil doesn't take a ton of chakra to spit out.
1 rasengan can do
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much damage, and Naruto's is multiplied in both size and power thanks to sage mode. Okay, so 1 rasengan might not break through his sand, but he can make a ton of shadow clone each with their own giant sage mode rasengan (I already gave a link for this). The only reason Naruto couldn't spam clones against Pain was because he wanted to have 2 backup clones with sage mode chakra, but like I said he's improved by a lot since that fight. Point of the Mizukage statement was to show that they don't need that much oil to get through Gaara's defense.
Go back to my first post with the manga panels showing Naruto's speed against Pain and Gamabunta's ability to jump really high. They can avoid Sand Tsunami with ease and catch up to Gaara in the air, if Gaara flies he would just be wasting chakra because they can easily dodge his moves from afar.
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the entire division ran away from the meteor,yet thousands of people died while being a long distance away and only a few people survived,rasenshuriken can't hope to match that kind of power,gaara was direcly in it's path,and was unfazed,rasenshuriken isnt hurting gaara,he can block it or simply fly away,bunta can't spam toad oil cuz he can't make it,it is found in mount myubi.when naruto was learning sage mode,he asked fukaksu why he needs to learn it himself and not carry toad oil with him,fukaksu told him that toad oil vapourises quickly if he carried it with him out of there,toads can stuff their stomach with toad oil and then spit it out,they can't spam it. Why would sasuke praise gaara's defence if he was the one defending??,the only time naruto made very many shadow sage clones was in his mind with the kyubi,i hope you are not using that here?,besides if more than two clones are fighting gaara,then naruto's cloned wont be able to gather natural energy,his senjutsu chakra will be divided among the sage clones,meaning even less time in sage mode,two rasenshurikens remove him from a normal sage mode,you think he can do two when his senjutsu chakra is divided and there is no clone gathering energy for him?,making more sage clones wud hurt naruto more than help him. Also gaara is quite fast on his own,he managed to keep up with onoki and km naruto while the were moving,he was a long distance away from onoki and muu but managed to get inbetween them before muu cud even form jinton,all with his sand armour on,while in flight,he kept up with deidara,and claimed to be able to reach the island turtle faster than if onoki went there,he also can fly very high,so no,flying will be a good strategy. This is a quote from sasuke's enton:kagutsuchi : "Sasuke Uchiha uses this technique to apply Shape Transformation to the inextinguishable black flames of Amaterasu at will. With it he can create a barrier that not only shields him, but also burns and pierces any opponent that touches the flames. The technique can also be used in conjunction with his Susanoo , and its weaponry. [1] While Amaterasu is cast from Sasuke's left eye, this technique is cast from his right eye. [2]
After obtaining the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, Sasuke uses Kagutsuchi more as an offensive technique, using it to slice through Kabuto 's Spider Web Unrolling technique like a sword". As you can read here,sasuke used it as a defencive move while having only ms,he used it to form spikes on the amaterasu on his susanoo,to defend himself from the raikage's final attack,he only started using it as an offensive move when he got the ems,as wll as his enton: magatama,the only other enton tech he uses is shield of black flames. Sasuke attacked gaara with amaterasu and used enton on A.
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It takes time for him to mix his sand with material coming from the ground and transform it in order to control it. At that time, he would have to protect himself against multiple Rasenshuriken or Rasengan, with combinations of clones and i don't see him surviving that
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u guys r so funny did u seenaruto shippuden movie 3 the will of fire when base naruto fought garra and won easily
i know that garra improved a little but sm naruto will win low to mid difficulty
i know that garra improved a little but sm naruto will win low to mid difficulty
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Gaara mid-high diff.
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why are you using a movie, those are non canon and have nothing to do with the original story,so you are saying base naruto can beat normal gaara?.read before you post
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So can fodders survive FRS, and no Gaara wasn't "unfazed" he was on the ground and Temari asked him if he was ok. Tsunade actually had to heal him before the 5 kages fight. Furthermore, a portion of a meteor blast and RasenShuriken don't deal the same type of damage, we have already seen Gaara's weakness to piercing damage a la Kimimaro and Sasuke and Fuuton is supposed to be the best element for piercing. Like i said Gaara isn't reacting to Rasen Shuriken either.
Can you give me the manga pages about the toad oil? Either way though I'm not sure how it prevents toads from producing their own oil to use.
Again, read the manga I posted, when Sasuke was referring to Gaara's ultimate defense he was talking about the sand itself (which is Gaara's ultimate defense). Sasuke said he guarded himself with Enton, I'm not sure how to make this any clearer since it said it right on the page.
Why wouldn't Naruto be able to do the same things he did in his mind? He has all the capabilities to.
Naruto's improved a lot in sage mode to the point where he can activate it quickly against Iruka and the Third Raikage, and the only reason he made clones was for backup sage chakra, which he no longer needs. Also the fact that the chakra is being divided doesn't change much since Naruto has a lot of chakra and each of his clones are powerful on their own.
Can you give me the links to these gaara speed feats then?
Flight is canceled out by Naruto being able to jump high as well as the toads.
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are you really believing what you are saying??,that if naruto threw a rasenshuriken,it would kill thousands of shiunobi that ran away from the impact? Are you serious?,gaara took the brunt of it and was largely uninjured,and a meteor is above the rasenshuriken anyday,and tsunade didnt "need" to heal him,he was about to fight madara again,before they arrived,and gaara was uninjured after the meteor attack,if he could take a meteor,a rasenshuriken wont do anything. And pls go back and read the manga,kimimaro didnt break gaara's sand defence with his bone spear,it shattered when he tried to break through it,and piercing attacks have very little effect on gaara's sand now,5 complete susanoo swords cudnt pierce it.toads are not shinobi,they can't have multiple elemental techniques,they only have one element,they can't create their own toad oil,they have to fill their stomachs with toad oil and then spew it out in a fight,and they can do it only once per fight,infact only bunta is the only one known to do this IIRC. Saying that naruto could do what he did in his mind is rubbish,he was in his subconsious,he was moving and entering sage mode,his real body was absorbing the nature energy and as such all the narutos entered sage mode,saying he can do that outside is a fail logic,show me when naruto has created that many sage clones in a fight,when naruto is in sage mode,he uses only senjutsu chakra not his normal one,and he can last only 5 minutes,any clone made in sage mode gets a share of senjutsu chakra not normal one which means the time in sage mode is reduced with the more clones he creates,and since when did naruto not need extra clones to gather energy for him?,that's fail. A km naruto rasenshuriken failed to raze the raikage,naruto still stated that gaara had the better defence,since naruto is the wielder of the rasenshuriken,i am pretty sure he knows it's limits to say gaara could have blocked it better than the raikage. And gaara has his sand shield scovering his body,those little needles if they actually hit,wont affect gaara,they will just hit the sand armour anyway,and gaara will simply renew it gaara can also use shield of shukaku to block a rasenshuriken if he wanted. Honestly,do you really read what u write?,gaara's auto shield of sand and sand armour combined together are gaara's ultmate defence,not just his sand,so that logic is fail,tell me which enton tech sasuke used against gaara,cuz enton is a release,not a technique itself,he used kagutuschi and shield of black flames on the raikage as defencive techs,he only started using them as offensive techs when he gots ems,then used magatama on zetsu clones for the first time. Gaara flying can easily outmanouver a jumping naruto,he can easily attack naruto in the air,use rain of sand or sand hail,sand bullets on the toads,or just simply dodge them,they will still come down after jumping won't they?and gaara can set a trap for them with his sand when they get down,he can even attack them from below while they are coming down,or use sand from below while they are up,he caught three powerful kages at the same time with his sand arms twice before they even reacted,used sand to block joki boy's explosion the second he exploded,came inbetween raikage's power kick and sasuke's kagutuschi the second they were about to touch before they even realized it and before he even entered the room.
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I'd appreciate it if you made paragraphs lol
Thousands of shinobi? really? you're exaggerating, multiple shinobi got killed by the previous kages and other edo tensei earlier (
The susanoo swords were slashing at it, it was different from chidori, also I'd still like to see the other panels of Gaara's sand being super durable/fast since I already provided manga evidence of my own.
When was it said that toads had to fill their stomach with oil beforehand? Toad Oil is a ninjutsu, they just have to convert their chakra into toad oil.
Why wouldn't it be possible for Naruto to do the same thing that he did in his mind, Naruto has created a lot of clones before, all he has to do is activate sage mode, make clones, and attack.
The Third Raikage was proven to be a lot faster and more durable than gaara, Naruto hasn;t even seen Gaara in combat since part 1. His blood was compared to iron.
Quite ironic that you're asking me what I'm on, even though you're saying that Gaara can survive
Please stop ignoring the manga and read what Sasuke said, since he clearly said himself he used enton, even though he didn't exactly indicate what jutsu of blaze release he used.
Already replied to that besides you haven't really said anything for gamabunta water bullets, toads' durability and Gaara reacting to Rasen Shuriken.
Thousands of shinobi? really? you're exaggerating, multiple shinobi got killed by the previous kages and other edo tensei earlier (
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) and I doubt there were thousands on that battlefield after that assault, not to mention most of them were crappy fodder that can get killed by anything. It's pretty clear Onoki's and Gaara's combined defense cushioned a lot of the attack hence several still survived. Also, in part 1, Gaara got pierced by a newly learned chidori and got BH over it, are you telling me his durability got that much better in part 2 where he can survive getting hit by a giant wind based shuriken that creates an explosion after shredding your body on the cellular level? I'm not even sure what to think of that.The susanoo swords were slashing at it, it was different from chidori, also I'd still like to see the other panels of Gaara's sand being super durable/fast since I already provided manga evidence of my own.
When was it said that toads had to fill their stomach with oil beforehand? Toad Oil is a ninjutsu, they just have to convert their chakra into toad oil.
Why wouldn't it be possible for Naruto to do the same thing that he did in his mind, Naruto has created a lot of clones before, all he has to do is activate sage mode, make clones, and attack.
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is really the only reason Naruto couldn't vs Pain, but he can activate it
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now, and has toad summons and clones to protect him in the meantime. Plus, if Naruto couldn't do the same thing he did in his mind why didn't he just automatically defeat the kyuubi, it's in his mind after all and he's god in his mind, right?The Third Raikage was proven to be a lot faster and more durable than gaara, Naruto hasn;t even seen Gaara in combat since part 1. His blood was compared to iron.
Quite ironic that you're asking me what I'm on, even though you're saying that Gaara can survive
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. Please stop ignoring the manga and read what Sasuke said, since he clearly said himself he used enton, even though he didn't exactly indicate what jutsu of blaze release he used.
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of Gaara being shown as the first one to attack.Already replied to that besides you haven't really said anything for gamabunta water bullets, toads' durability and Gaara reacting to Rasen Shuriken.
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Lol I have no clue why there's such a big debate here, it's not even anywhere near required. Gaara can't even pray to hope to trump this. All scans of which will most likely be ignored by the Gaara supporters I note:
He seriously gets stomped extremely hard. Base Naruto wins in an extremely hard stomp let alone SM.
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He seriously gets stomped extremely hard. Base Naruto wins in an extremely hard stomp let alone SM.
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the fourth division was composed of thousands of long-ranged shinobi from th 80,000 allied forces,they fought the kazekage,raikage,muu and mizukage. Gaara made quick work of his dad,so he barely killed anyone,muu was pre occupied with onoki,then beaten by gaara-naruto combo,he barely killed many people,raikage killed several shinobi but was beaten by sm naruto clone,mizukage killed several,but nowhere near a few hundred,once madara dropped those meteors,only a few dozen shinobi were left and u say i'm exaggerating?, gaara was pierced by a chidori in CE arc,by SRA,he blocked kimi's strongest piercing attack at cs2,and you think he hasnt improved a lot in part 2?,madara dropped 2 meteors,one was stopped,the other wasnt and they both crashed into gaara,yet he was largely uninjured,AND MADARA WAS ALSO WIPED OUT DESPITE BEING IN HIS SUSANOO,THE SAME ONE WHERE GAARA CLAIMED NARUTO'S ATTACKS WUDNT BREAK IT...*cough*...*cough*,if he can take the explosion of a meteor after he blocked it,he can take the one of a rasenshuriken,dude naruto said gaara's defence was better,or are u denying the manga now?,how will those needles even reach gaara,his sand armour is there,they will hit it,not gaara,he dosent use sand armour for nothing,you are accusing me of ignoring the manga when naruto himself said gaara's defence surpassed the raikage. Sasuke also praised gaara's defence,meaning gaara was defending,and u havent told me which enton tech he used,if he used enton on gaara,ive showed u all the enton techs he uses,prove which one he used on gaara,if you cant,then ill stick with the narutopedia and other sources which say he blocked ama.bunta didnt use oil against shukaku,despite it being sand's weakness,he was smart enough to tell naruto to wake gaara up to stop shukaku,but didnt use oil on a giant sand monster?,even if he could make it,he used it only once in each of his fights,so he can't spam it.i am usng a phone,taking panels from the manga is too troublesome,and i cant type too many letters as well. Gaara's flight handles water bullets,he can fly very fast and high. Water does nothing to his sand,he put his sand in electrified water,and it was still able to catch and hold madara.those clones were moving and enterind sage mode,naruto cant do that outside,the rest as well
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I think you're ignoring the 100,000 Zetsu's existence entirely and the fact that a huuuuuuge majority of the war was completely off paneled.
Few dozen? wut?
Chidori>>>Kimimaro's bones
Naruto had never seen Gaara fight since Part 1, using that as logical evidence is bullshit I hate when people do that.
Gaara never took a meteor, alone he would be fodderized
Shukaka=/=Gaara whos actually a bijuu
Implying Gamabunta isn't a gigantic summon that towers over forests and that Mei's amount of water used comes anywhere near amount to the giant water bullets.
Not to post in a debate that isn't mine but out of one post I happened to read here, it surprised me so I felt like responding. If you want to debate, I'd quote my other post which will probably be ignored forever, and respond to that.
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To add on to the post though, you can go ahead and stick with the Narutopedia if you want genii96, while I'll stick with the manga which is the first source of canon. Narutopedia is entirely based on other peoples interpretations and is really only credible when it's supported with manga/databook evidence. There is no evidence in the manga that supports that Sasuke used Amaterasu, because he clearly stated he used Enton. I'd think that Sasuke/the author would know who used what better than Narutopedia. Thus, Gaara has no reaction feats that are good enough to block RasenShuriken.
Once again I'd like to see actual proof that Gamabunta can't just convert his chakra to oil (since he can convert chakra to water and Toad Oil Bullet is a ninjutsu), and Shukaku is a tailed beast, unlike Gaara's sand...
Mei's water dragon lacks the power to level forests, cause that's what Shukaku did, and Gamabunta matched Shukaku's wind bullet with his water bullets.
Naruto's clones entered sage mode because he did. Outside of his mind, since he's already in Sage Mode, he can just make clones and they all will be in Sage Mode.
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To add on to the post though, you can go ahead and stick with the Narutopedia if you want genii96, while I'll stick with the manga which is the first source of canon. Narutopedia is entirely based on other peoples interpretations and is really only credible when it's supported with manga/databook evidence. There is no evidence in the manga that supports that Sasuke used Amaterasu, because he clearly stated he used Enton. I'd think that Sasuke/the author would know who used what better than Narutopedia. Thus, Gaara has no reaction feats that are good enough to block RasenShuriken.
Once again I'd like to see actual proof that Gamabunta can't just convert his chakra to oil (since he can convert chakra to water and Toad Oil Bullet is a ninjutsu), and Shukaku is a tailed beast, unlike Gaara's sand...
Mei's water dragon lacks the power to level forests, cause that's what Shukaku did, and Gamabunta matched Shukaku's wind bullet with his water bullets.
Naruto's clones entered sage mode because he did. Outside of his mind, since he's already in Sage Mode, he can just make clones and they all will be in Sage Mode.
You can't type too many letters but manage to make a giant wall of text. Interesting.
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The same manga which you are sticking to,also has no evidence that gaara attacked sasuke,he praised gaara's defence,meaning gaara defended,and the same manga has no evidence of enton technique used,enton is amaterasu shape manipulation,i am pretty sure the flames gaara caught had no shape,unlike the raikage where he formed spikes,or kabuto where he formed a sword,hence he blocked amaterasu,ive also listed all of sasuke's enton moves for you,which is backed up by the manga too and none of them were used against gaara,so my facts are backed up by the manga. Gambunta never used oil on shukaku which was made of sand,even before gaara slept and made shukaku come out,he never used oil,in all his fights,he has spewed oil only once,even against manda. Shukaku's wind bullets were full of compressed chakra,if it hit something,it would explode,especially another technique with compressed chakra as well,bunta's water bullets can't destroy a forest,he is not a bijuu,gaara can use a sand wall to block the attack,he did it the second joki boy exploded,or just use a sand clone to do it for him,naruto entered sage mode in his real physical body,so all the clones as well as naruto himself in his subconsious also entered it,outside his mind the clones aren't part of his subconsious,and such he can't do that outside. If he makes many sage clones,his senjutsu chakra will be divided,and he will have even less time in sage mode than normal,plus he wont be able to enter back into sage mode without his clones,remember,when he exited age mode,he was exhausted and panting,frog sage mode has that side effect,he wont be able to stay still and collct nature energy for some time alone,so using many sage clones wont be good for him.not to mention shadow clones still dissapear with one or two good blows,and gaara can also make multiple sand clones if he wanted,and they regenerate as well,if they are hit by any sage clone,they can just turn into sand and crush them,thay can do sand techs as well as have things hidden in them. In the second it took for lee to blink,gaara escaped his front lotus,put a sand shell,and positioned himself behind him all at 12,in the second after onoki destroyed the clam,he was able to pull him out of there,create a sand clone,shape it into onoki and position him where onoki was before the mizukage even realized,in the second joki boy was about to attack him,he substituted himself with a sand clone,hid in the ground,packed gold dust with his sand and hid it inside the sand clone to capture joki boy,he blocked joki boy's explosion the second he exploded to protect the division,with barely any grinding,he summoned a colossal amount of sand against the kages jus to 'test' their responses,he managed to cath three powerful kages at once with his sand arms so fast they couldnt even react to it,and could have crushed them if he didnt have to seal them,he was a fer distance from muu and onoki but managed to get inbetween them before muu could even fully create jinton,despite having his sand armour on which heavily reduces his mobility and weighs him down as well. these are all his reaction,speed and reflex feats,not even about his auto sand defence whose speed and reaction are obviously better than gaara himself. His sand armour will also protect him from those little wind needles,cuz it covers his entire body and as such,there is no way those little needles are reaching his cells,and naruto still needs to form rasenshurikem,dont you think gaara would quickly form a powerful defence to block it,like against joki or madara's magatama?,he could even attack naruto while he is forming it. @ joki,
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read that post and tell me how many zetsus battled gaara and his division before the kages and madara,why would you refuse what naruto said? And you accuse me of ignoring the manga?,sasuke also hadnt seen gaara fight so how did he know about gaara's improved ultimate defence?,the same as naruto,he must have either heard or seen it off panel,naruto still believed gaara had the greatest defence,even after seeing the third raikage,meaning he must have heard,that is manga statement,and you are ignoring it,but you wont ignore sasuke claiming he guarded with enton because he said so,despite making no mention to whom he was reffering to,the only one he used enton to defend against was the raikage,that is manga fact,the flames gaara blocked had no such shape,if it was enton,it would have been an arrow or something like that. And the narutopedia corrects any false info there,so it is also a good source. Gaara and his division fought no zetsu clones,the only fought the kages and then madara,it was a fraction of gaara's division that went with shikamaru that fought zetsu clones,so your point is invalid. @megan,compared to the posts and pics i want to add,i am restricted.:
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I'm pretty sure I just gave you a link showing that Gaara attacked first, either way though when their jutsu clashed Gaara's sand didn't burn, and I;m assuming that Sasuke was surprised by the resilience of the sand which is why he praised Gaara's defense. The flames Sasuke shot weren't focused on one point like Amaterasu normally is.
Shukaku took on the form of a tailed beast so I doubt oil was gonna get rid of him that easily (plus Naruto and Gamabunta's main focus was to get to Gaara to stop the sleeping jutsu), and just because gamabunta didn't use oil at that point in the manga, doesn't mean he's restricted to using it only once.
If Shukaku's wind bullet was any stronger than Gamabunta's water bullets, it would have overwhelmed them but that didn't exactly happen.
Have you seen Naruto in the war arc at all? And the Naruto we saw against Pain could likely beat Gaara, tbh.
Shadow clones have the abilities of the original but with less chakra. If Naruto makes Sage Mode shadow clones, they're still going to be really durable.
You can't emphasize Gaara feats then ignore Naruto's. He's still insanely fast in Sage Mode and I'm pretty sure RasenShuriken is faster than anything Gaara has ever blocked. Not that it matters, since I think you haven;t realized the pure cutting power of RasenShuriken and the giant explosion that it causes, which would surely break through Gaara's defense.
Shukaku took on the form of a tailed beast so I doubt oil was gonna get rid of him that easily (plus Naruto and Gamabunta's main focus was to get to Gaara to stop the sleeping jutsu), and just because gamabunta didn't use oil at that point in the manga, doesn't mean he's restricted to using it only once.
If Shukaku's wind bullet was any stronger than Gamabunta's water bullets, it would have overwhelmed them but that didn't exactly happen.
Have you seen Naruto in the war arc at all? And the Naruto we saw against Pain could likely beat Gaara, tbh.
Shadow clones have the abilities of the original but with less chakra. If Naruto makes Sage Mode shadow clones, they're still going to be really durable.
You can't emphasize Gaara feats then ignore Naruto's. He's still insanely fast in Sage Mode and I'm pretty sure RasenShuriken is faster than anything Gaara has ever blocked. Not that it matters, since I think you haven;t realized the pure cutting power of RasenShuriken and the giant explosion that it causes, which would surely break through Gaara's defense.