[VS] Sage Mode Kabuto vs. Madara

[Draphsin]

Madara crushes kabuto before he gets the chance to go SM

If he starts in SM then he has a chance to disable the legs of PS, but that's about it.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Madara god solo Kabuto with ease.

Madara crushes kabuto before he gets the chance to go SM

If he starts in SM then he has a chance to disable the legs of PS, but that's about it.

Prove it lads, last I checked Madara can't just bust into PS.

Also, 'Sage mode Kabuto' would imply he does indeed start in sage mode.

 

[Draphsin]

Prove it lads, last I checked Madara can't just bust into PS.

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, & even if you think he cant bust into PS, he can surely enter it faster than kabuto can prep SM.

Also, 'Sage mode Kabuto' would imply he does indeed start in sage mode.

No, that is prep. Add it in the prep if he starts out in it, otherwise I'm thinking of this guy..

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[Princessu Kaaantchan]

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, & even if you think he cant bust into PS, he can surely enter it faster than kabuto can prep SM.



No, that is prep. Add it in the prep if he starts out in it, otherwise I'm thinking of this guy..

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Prove that EMS Madara can do that, the Senju cells would obviously speed up the process.

'Sage mode Kabuto' is in the title, clearly staying its Kabuto in Sage mode.

Fact of the matter is you need to prove that Madara can withstand Whiterage and Tayuya's Genjutsu - which bypasses Susano'o. [

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The last bit is just speculation on your part. How can Kabuto not enter Sage mode quickly considering he has Jugo's genes? [

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[Awkward Linguist]

It doesn't matter which versions of Madara we're talking about, the fact of the matter is that Madara destroys the crap out of Kabuto.

We haven't really seen Madara's two other EMS doujutsu, and we can safely guarantee that they're OP'd.

 

[Draphsin]

Prove that EMS Madara can do that, the Senju cells would obviously speed up the process.

Holy sh*t man, do I have to give you every scan of madara entering susanoo instantly?

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Instant susanoo..

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Instant PS..

'Sage mode Kabuto' is in the title, clearly staying its Kabuto in Sage mode.

Dude honestly this is bullsh*t. If this match was kabuto vs madara then what kabuto would you use? kabuto with oro's DNA or kabuto without it??

Seriously you need to be specific, & either way it doesnt matter because SM is prep, no other ninja is allowed to start off in SM without it being prep, why on earth is kabuto an exception??

He's not, simple. You wanna make this SM kabuto VS madara then admit he needs prep.

Oh one more thing, does BM naruto start out in BM? No, its a title that we give the chatracter that we're dabating with/against, you dont give him prep unless its specified, not because its in his freaking name. As I said, for me & probably others, SM kabuto is the picture I showed you, he needs to prep SM first.

Fact of the matter is you need to prove that Madara can withstand Whiterage and Tayuya's Genjutsu - which bypasses Susano'o. [

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PS towers over that jutsu, & madara's faster, & louder. Madara will barely hear the song from the distance, plus the speed & power of his blades will create shockwaves, rendering any form of sound useless..

White rage is kabuto's best chance.

The last bit is just speculation on your part. How can Kabuto not enter Sage mode quickly considering he has Jugo's genes? [

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Read the manga, not only was kabuto spending multiple moments prepping SM (he would've been faster if he could do it faster). But kabuto was constantly sitting in one spot gathering nature energy, yet he still needed time, this proves that SM for him is not instant.

 

[Touken]

lmao, I stopped reading after 'does BM Naruto start out in BM?'

what is this

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Holy sh*t man, do I have to give you every scan of madara entering susanoo instantly?

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Instant susanoo..

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Instant PS..



Dude honestly this is bullsh*t. If this match was kabuto vs madara then what kabuto would you use? kabuto with oro's DNA or kabuto without it??

Seriously you need to be specific, & either way it doesnt matter because SM is prep, no other ninja is allowed to start off in SM without it being prep, why on earth is kabuto an exception??

He's not, simple. You wanna make this SM kabuto VS madara then admit he needs prep.

Oh one more thing, does BM naruto start out in BM? No, its a title that we give the chatracter that we're dabating with/against, you dont give him prep unless its specified, not because its in his freaking name. As I said, for me & probably others, SM kabuto is the picture I showed you, he needs to prep SM first.



PS towers over that jutsu, & madara's faster, & louder. Madara will barely hear the song from the distance, plus the speed & power of his blades will create shockwaves, rendering any form of sound useless..

White rage is kabuto's best chance.




Read the manga, not only was kabuto spending multiple moments prepping SM (he would've been faster if he could do it faster). But kabuto was constantly sitting in one spot gathering nature energy, yet he still needed time, this proves that SM for him is not instant.

Just to clear things up, Kabuto begins in Sage Mode. Yes, he needs prep, but for battle sakes, let's say he prepared before that. Thought that would be obvious, but apparently not.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Not Susano'o, just Perfect Susano'o - which you've failed to do

You're darting around the point; if I said 'Sage Mode Jiraiya' or 'Sage Mode Naruto' it'd likewise be completely obvious what I'm talking about.

Are you trying to suggest that Madara is faster than the speed of sound? Prove it. It doesn't matter about the size of PS, what matters is that Madara has no means of evading the sound waves [

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] I see you're also twisting the range, putting Madara several hundred meters away to give yourself the best situation possible.

How was Kabuto 'prepping' Sage mode? He was clearly warming up whilst showing off his new abilities. With Suigetsu and Karin's abilities he never had anything to fear. When it was clear that his base abilities wouldn't cut it [

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] he then casually entered Sage mode. You can even tell by his tone of speech he had nothing to fear.

Not to mention the fact that Kabuto absorbed the residual Senjutsu chakra from Anko's curse seal effectively nullifies the idea that he had to prepare Sage mode during his confrontation with the Uchiha brothers - as he clearly had it in stock prior.

 

[Draphsin]

Not Susano'o, just Perfect Susano'o - which you've failed to do

Yes I did, madara used PS in the 2nd scan, swords & all. He just needed to stabilize it, which isnt needed..

You're darting around the point; if I said 'Sage Mode Jiraiya' or 'Sage Mode Naruto' it'd likewise be completely obvious what I'm talking about.

No I'm not, if you said SM naruto then I wouldnt put him in SM right away. If you said SM jiraiya then that's different because its not a powerup, he always had SM so its more specific.

Saying SM kabuto is completely vague, considering kabuto has two base forms. He has an "SM" base mode (the freaking picture), & he has the part 1 base mode. Specifying whether he has SM activated right away or not is up to you, its not automatic.

Are you trying to suggest that Madara is faster than the speed of sound? Prove it. It doesn't matter about the size of PS, what matters is that Madara has no means of evading the sound waves [

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] I see you're also twisting the range, putting Madara several hundred meters away to give yourself the best situation possible.

You are really a headache to debate against, you're disregarding logic. If someone yells at you from a football field away, or better yet even further than that (considering the size of PS). Then will you hear more sound or less?? & then add wind onto that (simulating small shockwaves). Then you cannot hear that person, if you think that the sound is reaching madara under these circumstances then I will stop taking you seriously.

As for the range, wtf are you talking about? Madara's PS easily opens the gap in distance, they can be face to face & it will still be the same result.

And finally madara's blades being faster than sound? No, but he will be swinging his blades before kabuto preps that flute, therefore shockwaves will already be in effect before the sound has time to activate, unless you think madara is gonna sit on his ass & wait for kabuto to pull out a song for him. XD

How was Kabuto 'prepping' Sage mode? He was clearly warming up whilst showing off his new abilities. With Suigetsu and Karin's abilities he never had anything to fear. When it was clear that his base abilities wouldn't cut it [

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] he then casually entered Sage mode. You can even tell by his speech he had nothing to fear.

No, he was hiding in his snakes for multiple scans after that. Stop making excuses, he cant enter SM immediately, the proof is obvious.

Not to mention the fact that Kabuto absorbed the residual Senjutsy chakra from Anko's curse seal effectively nullifies the premise that he had to prepare Sage mode during his confrontation with the Uchiha brothers.

Wrong, if that was true then why didnt he enter SM right away (as soon as sasuke removed his hood)? What you speak is nonsense, you're disregarding the scans of him actually taking long to enter SM & you're fabricating your own feats. I'm not standing for it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Prove that EMS Madara can do that, the Senju cells would obviously speed up the process.

There is absolutely no evidence that supports this statement.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

You've yet to prove he can do it instantly. You posted that second slide without looking at the prior slides.

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] - You can see this is the slide in which Madara activates his Susano'o. The time it takes for his final Susano'o to appear is so substantial that Hashirama is able create the Wood Dragon, for it to then to go on to restrain Kurama, for Kurama to then formulate a Bijuu Dama to launch at Hashirama, leading to Hashirama making a second Wood dragon which grabs the Bijuu Dama and sends it back at Kurama [

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] and thus you've still not proven anything.

Kabuto's 'two base forms' are Kabuto infused with Orochimaru's DNA and him without it. What is your point? Sage Mode Kabuto is Kabuto in Sage mode, I've stressed this enough.


The distance between Madara and the Gokage clearly isn't that wide considering he was able to have idle chatter with them [

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] - You're striving to apply your real world analogies to this fictional manga when really you've just solidified my claim: The Genjutsu will affect Madara.


How can you refute the fact that Kabuto had Senjutsu Chakra in reserve prior considering Orochimaru himself confirms it - [

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] which was already obvious. The fact is that Kabuto with prior Senjutsu chakra and Juugo's cells would have no problem entering Sage mode in the space of several seconds, yet in the fight he takes even longer than Naruto would.

Again you're trying to argue through this via circumlocutory means, we're just running in circles now.

There is absolutely no evidence that supports this statement.

I believe that the fact Senju DNA was able to slow down the recharge timer for an MS technique from ten years to within a day speaks for itself.

 

[NewKageism]

Madara . Kabuto is not ready for that

 

[KidGamer65]

I believe that the fact Senju DNA was able to slow down the recharge timer for an MS technique from ten years to within a day speaks for itself.

Recharging KA and making activating Susanoo faster are two completely different things, it recharged KA because the life energy of Hashirama's cells were enough to rejuvenate the eye, same reason why Obito doesn't go blind, so no, it doesn't speak for itself. There is absolutely no evidence for what you are saying.

 

[Penguin]

Kabuto has this. Bones from underneath Susano'o, Genjutsu and what not.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kabuto has this. Bones from underneath Susano'o, Genjutsu and what not.

While in PS or any legged Susanoo? Really now?

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Recharging KA and making activating Susanoo faster are two completely different things, it recharged KA because the life energy of Hashirama's cells were enough to rejuvenate the eye, same reason why Obito doesn't go blind, so no, it doesn't speak for itself. There is absolutely no evidence for what you are saying.

What about the inclusion of Izanagi; which is a technique that could only be used by someone with both Uchiha and Senju DNA? Along with the fact that Edo Madara did this feat whilst using his Rinnegan - a process after which his eyes have evolved and he's obtained numerous occult techniques.

 

[KidGamer65]

What about the inclusion of Izanagi; which is a technique that could only be used by someone with both Uchiha and Senju DNA? Along with the fact that Edo Madara did this feat whilst using his Rinnegan - a process after which his eyes have evolved and he's obtained numerous occult techniques.

What does Izanagi have to do with anything here? It can't be used unless you have Senju DNA anyway so I don't see the point of mentioning it, it definitely isn't the same as what it did to KA.

Edo Madara always utilizes his Sharingan abilities with Rinnegan active, it means nothing at all nor does it prove that Hashirama's DNA lets him activate Susanoo faster.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

What does Izanagi have to do with anything here? It can't be used unless you have Senju DNA anyway so I don't see the point of mentioning it, it definitely isn't the same as what it did to KA.

Edo Madara always utilizes his Sharingan abilities with Rinnegan active, it means nothing at all nor does it prove that Hashirama's DNA lets him activate Susanoo faster.

Senju DNA obviously advances the Sharingan to an extent to which Izanagi is useable, how else would it be possible to use?

He doesn't [

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] with what I said prior in mind I still don't see how Senju DNA wouldn't improve Madara's usage of Susano'o.

Also, is what you said about KA confirmed in the manga?

 

[KidGamer65]

Senju DNA obviously advances the Sharingan to an extent to which Izanagi is useable, how else would it be possible to use?

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] with what I said prior in mind I still don't see how Senju DNA wouldn't improve Madara's usage of Susano'o.

Also, is what you said about KA confirmed in the manga?

It doesn't advance the Sharingan so Izanagi is usable, it just lets the technique be usable. Otherwise someone at a high enough level of Sharingan could use Izanagi w/o Senju DNA.

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An Uchiha (Spiritual Energies) can't utilize Izanagi, a Yin-Yang Release technique as described in the scan with Obito speaking, without the Senju's strong Physical Energies. That is why Senju DNA is needed.

That was his clone, every time, Madara, the original, has used Sharingan techs after his Rinnegan was active. I'm not seeing how it should. The most its done to Sharingan is cause KA to be rejuvenated faster and caused Obito's eye not to go blind, both things related to the life force of Hashirama's cells. There has not been one instance where the cells increased the actual power of a technique, as PS's power is no different than it was at the VoTE.

There is no scan that states that, but if you look at Hashirama's cells effects on Obito's Sharingan, its properties, and the fact that it has never increased the power of any jutsu let alone Sharingan jutsu, you will come to that conclusion.