sage mode is pointless then?

Zurita210

Member
Joined
Sep 30, 2008
Messages
360
Kin
0๐Ÿ’ธ
Kumi
0๐Ÿ’ด
Trait Points
0โš”๏ธ
Well when Jiraiya went to Hermit Mode against Pein they never showed him sitting still. I cant remember how the fight first starts but I know he brings in Pa and Ma toad to help. I remember Pa Toad telling Jman that he needs to learn how to do it on his own instead of calling on them all the time. If someone can post that manga chapter it would help
 

sgt

Active member
Regular
Joined
Apr 25, 2008
Messages
726
Kin
0๐Ÿ’ธ
Kumi
0๐Ÿ’ด
Trait Points
0โš”๏ธ

jiraiya's sennin mode starts from this manga on.
and yes i agree with you, Zurita210.
I don't see jiraiya standing still, infact.. u can see him hiding from pein >> he has to run away for a bit to do hide so no time to sit still and balance the chakra.
 

Zurita210

Member
Joined
Sep 30, 2008
Messages
360
Kin
0๐Ÿ’ธ
Kumi
0๐Ÿ’ด
Trait Points
0โš”๏ธ

jiraiya's sennin mode starts from this manga on.
and yes i agree with you, Zurita210.
I don't see jiraiya standing still, infact.. u can see him hiding from pein >> he has to run away for a bit to do hide so no time to sit still and balance the chakra.
Yea they show Hermit mode at the end of 374 and begining of 375. He tells his summoned toad to buy him time while he summons Pa and Ma toad I think. Then when those giant dogs attack him he kills one of them and hides in this whole, then all of a sudden u see him in hermit mode, a lil after that Pa Toad tells Jman that he needs to learn how to do it himself. My guess is that he summoned Pa and Ma toad to help him transform to Hermit mode quick. Thats why according to the new spoilers Pa toad tells Naruto that he will be riding on his shoulders when he uses it. So thats my guess, that Jman summoned Pa and Ma toad to help him transform and to use their power as well to try to defeat pain.
 

Narutoftw

Active member
Regular
Joined
Oct 3, 2008
Messages
581
Kin
0๐Ÿ’ธ
Kumi
0๐Ÿ’ด
Trait Points
0โš”๏ธ
i thought u needa be still to turn on sage mode and u can move arund freely when its on
I think you're right.. coz after naruto turned on the sage mode he fell through the air and presumably he would have een waving his arms around.. plus he was doing training in sage mode. Also since naruto is better at it than Jiraiya, he might be able to switch in on and off like sasuke can his sharingan.
 

QwertyHero

Active member
Regular
Joined
Aug 6, 2008
Messages
594
Kin
0๐Ÿ’ธ
Kumi
0๐Ÿ’ด
Trait Points
0โš”๏ธ
Yes, once you activate it, it's on until you turn it off, but in order to activate it you need to be still.
UNLESS, you have another nature using partner A.K.A Pa Toad.
I guess Pa channels the nature chakra and transfers it to the sage mode user.
Pretty weird.
 

Kyuubi XZ

Member
Joined
Sep 5, 2008
Messages
268
Kin
0๐Ÿ’ธ
Kumi
0๐Ÿ’ด
Trait Points
0โš”๏ธ
Even if he can turn it on or off at will....Sage mode is almost exactly like the demon fox cloak......He gets super strong, has more chakra, doesnt get hurt easily, eyes change, etc.
The only way it would be useful is if he uses sage mode and fox chara at the same time.
 

twistedlink

Banned
Regular
Joined
Jul 27, 2008
Messages
1,541
Kin
0๐Ÿ’ธ
Kumi
0๐Ÿ’ด
Trait Points
0โš”๏ธ
no hes not stronger than jiraiya, hes better at sage mode thats all, jiraiya still has the experience and knowledge and smartness.

Shinobi strength isnt all about the techniques they have, naruto has the rasenshuriken, big deal, kakuzu proved that technique does FA if it doesnt land, and on an enemy like pein, kage bushin SHOULDNT WORK.

If kishi does another kage bushin rasenshuriken trick on pein...sorry, im not impressed with the story then, pein is supposed to see very fast movements and have enough bodies to dodge anything, i wanna see naruto using his intelligence for once against pein
 

Ebbs82

Member
Joined
Aug 3, 2008
Messages
187
Kin
0๐Ÿ’ธ
Kumi
0๐Ÿ’ด
Trait Points
0โš”๏ธ
Awards
Even if he can turn it on or off at will....Sage mode is almost exactly like the demon fox cloak......He gets super strong, has more chakra, doesnt get hurt easily, eyes change, etc.
The only way it would be useful is if he uses sage mode and fox chara at the same time.
Pa Toad kinda mentions that though. The fox chakra combined with using "natural energy" cause him to recover faster so Naruto's endurance is through the roof. I think the demon fox could eventually replace the use of Pa Toad. If the fox willingly decides to help Naruto that is. Imagine the amount of chakra 9-Tails could draw in (it should know everything Naruto knows). A still fox on the inside could allow Naruto to move on the outside.
 

QwertyHero

Active member
Regular
Joined
Aug 6, 2008
Messages
594
Kin
0๐Ÿ’ธ
Kumi
0๐Ÿ’ด
Trait Points
0โš”๏ธ
Pa Toad kinda mentions that though. The fox chakra combined with using "natural energy" cause him to recover faster so Naruto's endurance is through the roof. I think the demon fox could eventually replace the use of Pa Toad. If the fox willingly decides to help Naruto that is. Imagine the amount of chakra 9-Tails could draw in (it should know everything Naruto knows). A still fox on the inside could allow Naruto to move on the outside.
Hmm, possibly.
The main thing for the Kyuubi is staying alive and free.
If Akatsuki removes him from Naruto's body knows he knows it could mean death for him, or at least eternal capture and enslavement at the hands of Madara.
If by helping Naruto get better at Sage Mode means extending his stay inside Naruto, than so be it.
 

Kazamori

Banned
Elite
Joined
Aug 13, 2008
Messages
9,651
Kin
0๐Ÿ’ธ
Kumi
0๐Ÿ’ด
Trait Points
0โš”๏ธ
Awards
Page 10:
Fukasku: Sage chakra has been mastered well. Kermit hand-to-hand combat and Sage mode has been developed to a certain level. Now there's one last thing to say.

Naruto: What is it? I'm listening...

Fukasku: It's about the risk/danger of Sage Mode

Naruto: Risk/danger...

Fukasku: It's like this, only when you can handle well the risk/danger will you be able to maximize how you use Sage Mode!

Naruto: the risk/danger is?

Fukasku: First thing is that I think even little Naruto can understand. Sage Mode cannot be maintained for long periods of time. Probably can be held for 5 minutes.

Fukasku: And then in order to activate Sage mode, one has to college natural chakra by "being still". This is fundamental.

Which means that you can't use it the moment combat begins. If you can't move you'll become the enemy's target.

Page 11:
To become Sage mode requires having lots of companion at your side to give you free time.

No matter what, you can't become Sage mode while you're alone. The only thing to do then is to leave combat for now and collect natural chakra.

Naruto: WHAT!!! Doesn't that mean it's not usable? So what have I been working hard till now for?

Fukasku: Don't be so discouraged. Am I not here to manage/deal with that risk/danger?

Naruto: What do you mean?

Fukasku: If I merge my body with little Naruto's, it'll be ok.

Page 12:
Naruto: GA GA GA GA GA GA!!!

Fukasku: Even though it's called merging. In reality it's just pressing together the shoulder and spinal chord.

Naruto: what? Why is it ok after you merge?

Fukasku: To put it simply, it's to handle the tasks of 'still' and 'action' separately. When one side is moving, the other side stops drawing natural chakra.

Little Jiraiya also required us couple to merge with him in order to appear in the final Sage mode

Naruto: I see. So that's it!

Page 13:
Fukasku: Just don't worry, little Naruto!
(raise hand)

Naruto: OK!!

:confused: I dont want Naruto with Frog merged
 

Kyuubi XZ

Member
Joined
Sep 5, 2008
Messages
268
Kin
0๐Ÿ’ธ
Kumi
0๐Ÿ’ด
Trait Points
0โš”๏ธ
WHAT!!!! Are u serious! Sage mode can only be kept for 5 minutes! WTF. WOW that is sad. I kinda dont want pa and ma frog on Naruto's shoulders. What happens when he goes fox? And what if pa and ma get killed in battle. It will just be Naruto fighting with 2 dead frogs hanging from his shoulders.
 

Kazamori

Banned
Elite
Joined
Aug 13, 2008
Messages
9,651
Kin
0๐Ÿ’ธ
Kumi
0๐Ÿ’ด
Trait Points
0โš”๏ธ
Awards
WHAT!!!! Are u serious! Sage mode can only be kept for 5 minutes! WTF. WOW that is sad. I kinda dont want pa and ma frog on Naruto's shoulders. What happens when he goes fox? And what if pa and ma get killed in battle. It will just be Naruto fighting with 2 dead frogs hanging from his shoulders.
its 5 minutes if your not using Pa on his shoulders
 
Top