Sage Mode comparison

[Honord Sage]

its not about succeeding.....I am just comparing the powers the modes grant....After all Kabuto got Izanami used on him, I don't blame the guy. But in terms of the power it grants and the techniques I think Dragon SM> Toad SM

Kabuto did not stop Madara, nor sealed Kaguya away Naruto’s Sage Mode defeated the 3rd Raikage it combine with Tailed Beast mode to be more powerful and adoptive in combat than Kabuto. Oh yes Kabuto did not earn Sage Mode He injected it into Himself meaning His body did not work it into His fighting style. only His mind.

 

[Prince Badman]

-Frog katas (enhance strength in taijutsu/jumping)
-Senpou art Fūton Sunabokori
-Senpu art Goemon
-Senpou art Kawazu Naki
-Magen Gama Rinshō
-Senpou art Amphibian Technique
-Natural senjutsu enhanced jutsus
-Natural sensing danger
-Summoning frogs and other frog like variants once you use amphibian technique.

Frog sagemode actually has a lot more but for the most part they are supplementary techinques

yes if you include the techniques used by the summons......but naruto himself didn't use much did he....

 

[Prince Badman]

Kabuto did not stop Madara, nor sealed Kaguya away Naruto’s Sage Mode defeated the 3rd Raikage it combine with Tailed Beast mode to be more powerful and adoptive in combat than Kabuto. Oh yes Kabuto did not earn Sage Mode He injected it into Himself meaning His body did not work it into His fighting style. only His mind.

Naah he earned it all right....btw i am not undermining naruto's abilities though i can argue on a lot of technical points but i can't attack my fav char now can i.....i am just comparing the two sage modes and of the opinion that dragon sage mode seems more formidable.......Toad sage mode is great but either it has been underutilised or its actual capacities haven't been explored fully

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[Honord Sage]

Naah he earned it all right....btw i am not undermining naruto's abilities though i can argue on a lot of technical points but i can't attack my fav char now can i.....i am just comparing the two sage modes and of the opinion that dragon sage mode seems more formidable.......Toad sage mode is great but either it has been underutilised or its actual capacities haven't been explored fully

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He injected Himself chemically He did what the Sharigan dose visually. Thus no true gain in experience,Kabuto went to battle with no practical experience on how to uses His powers to the max. Isa like a guy who is fast with His punches but no experience on how to throw a punch without breaking a hand.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

yes if you include the techniques used by the summons......but naruto himself didn't use much did he....

Yeah he didn't use much but he could've used every single one of them if he wanted to.
If we're going by the sole user then all naruto has is frog katas which is a taijutsu-physically enhance technique that also allows him to jump high as well. The thing with snake sagemode is that you don't get people like Ma and Pa to morph with, they have to have the body for it.

They also can't be physically as strong as Frog sagemode users and they can't turn people to frog stone if their type of natural energy is absorbed.

 

[NarutoX28]

Naruto failed? Then who made Nagato change His mind? Who got Nagato to bring the dead back? Naruto. and Kurama is a much a part of Naruto as the Sharigan is to Sasuke so why don’t you tell Sasuke to cut off the curse eye that has brought nothing but pain and suffering in the world.

Reread my post.

Naruto would've failed without Kurama. Even Minato believed that Naruto needed to tame Kurama's power in order to become the true savior. It was because of Kurama's power that Naruto felt the need that he could fight Sasuke, it was because of Kurama's power that he managed to prove Raikage that he was the savior, and it was because of Kurama's power that Minato felt confident that Naruto could fight Obito.

Kurama isn't as much of a part of Naruto as the Sharingan is to Sasuke because Kurama isn't something inherited through your bloodline. The Sharingan is a natural part of an Uchiha's power whereas the same shouldn't apply to Kurama who acts as an additional power outside of a Senju/ Uzamaki's bloodline. The Sharingan is the equivalent of the massive Lifeforce obtained from being a Senju/ Uzamaki, Kurama just acts as an additional power source.

And as stated before, without Kurama, Naruto wouldn't have been able to convince Nagato that his path was wrong because he would've been captured by Pain, hell, he would've been killed off by Sasuke at the VoTE.

 

[NarutoX28]

He injected Himself chemically He did what the Sharigan dose visually. Thus no true gain in experience,Kabuto went to battle with no practical experience on how to uses His powers to the max. Isa like a guy who is fast with His punches but no experience on how to throw a punch without breaking a hand.

Except he trained under the guidance of the Sage of the White Snake as stated. He did have experience over the power because if he didn't, he wouldn't be able to balance Natural Energy with his own Physical and Spiritual Energy, especially with Jugo's cells that forces him to absorb natural energy and be unable to control Senjutsu properly.

 

[Aznkidd]

We cant really compare like that since Kabuto's body is heavily moderated.

 

[Honord Sage]

Reread my post.

Naruto would've failed without Kurama. Even Minato believed that Naruto needed to tame Kurama's power in order to become the true savior. It was because of Kurama's power that Naruto felt the need that he could fight Sasuke, it was because of Kurama's power that he managed to prove Raikage that he was the savior, and it was because of Kurama's power that Minato felt confident that Naruto could fight Obito.

Kurama isn't as much of a part of Naruto as the Sharingan is to Sasuke because Kurama isn't something inherited through your bloodline. The Sharingan is a natural part of an Uchiha's power whereas the same shouldn't apply to Kurama who acts as an additional power outside of a Senju/ Uzamaki's bloodline. The Sharingan is the equivalent of the massive Lifeforce obtained from being a Senju/ Uzamaki, Kurama just acts as an additional power source.

And as stated before, without Kurama, Naruto wouldn't have been able to convince Nagato that his path was wrong because he would've been captured by Pain, hell, he would've been killed off by Sasuke at the VoTE.

Sharigan is a curse of the traitor clan the Uchiha’s the world biggest losers. Kaguya used them as Her Cannon Fodder. The Manga Name is Naruto Uzumaki not Sasuke Uchiha deal with it sines you can’t do a thing about it.

 

[Honord Sage]

Except he trained under the guidance of the Sage of the White Snake as stated. He did have experience over the power because if he didn't, he wouldn't be able to balance Natural Energy with his own Physical and Spiritual Energy, especially with Jugo's cells that forces him to absorb natural energy and be unable to control Senjutsu properly.

All the Manga show was one minuet Kabuto IV Himself along with grafting Orochimaru DNA in order to access Natural Energy and He is calling Himself a Sage but fought like an overconfident amateur and lost. Madara stoled Hashirama Sage Mode and used it without training and lost,why not Kabuto sines without Orochimaru DNA,DNA that has the mussel memory of Orochimaru Sage training. But not the experience.

 

[Prince Badman]

He injected Himself chemically He did what the Sharigan dose visually. Thus no true gain in experience,Kabuto went to battle with no practical experience on how to uses His powers to the max. Isa like a guy who is fast with His punches but no experience on how to throw a punch without breaking a hand.

Injected himself so you are saying the manga is wrong....are you for real....he says "trained" what more you need...I am not denying that he didn't modify his body but you can't simply inject sage mode...if you do you face consequences...remember turning to stone thing...as far as experience goes he had a lot of experience fighting so enhanced capabilities add to that experience....control over his powers he had that...the only reason he got defeated because he was facing Itachi...a great fighter and strategist on the top of that Itachi was a reanimation and had to use Izanami the forbidden Uchiha jutsu...you my friend are seriously underestimating things....don't be too biased...

 

[Prince Badman]

Yeah he didn't use much but he could've used every single one of them if he wanted to.
If we're going by the sole user then all naruto has is frog katas which is a taijutsu-physically enhance technique that also allows him to jump high as well. The thing with snake sagemode is that you don't get people like Ma and Pa to morph with, they have to have the body for it.

They also can't be physically as strong as Frog sagemode users and they turn people to frog stone if their type of natural energy is absorbed.

I think Naruto could have only used those techniques that were related to his wind element...others i guess require respective element training....morphing i can't say much because we don't know about the great snake sages or anything like that even if there existed any.....and it would be great if you could support the stronger bodies point with a source.....

 

[Honord Sage]

Injected himself so you are saying the manga is wrong....are you for real....he says "trained" what more you need...I am not denying that he didn't modify his body but you can't simply inject sage mode...if you do you face consequences...remember turning to stone thing...as far as experience goes he had a lot of experience fighting so enhanced capabilities add to that experience....control over his powers he had that...the only reason he got defeated because he was facing Itachi...a great fighter and strategist on the top of that Itachi was a reanimation and had to use Izanami the forbidden Uchiha jutsu...you my friend are seriously underestimating things....don't be too biased...

You apparently forgot the panel in the Manga when Kabuto used the IV of collected DNA to increase His powers along with Orochimaru DNA,plus Him telling Naruto that He was fighting Orochimaru cells from taking over confirm by Hinata’s Byakugan with Yamato their as witness. It was Orochimaru cells that help open the door for snake/dragon mode without it. It would never would have happen.This tell you that Kabuto’s original body was not Sage ready. Orochimaru study it but like Jiraiya He was not a full Sage in Orochimaru case He needed Jugo DNA to created the curse seal to gather Natural Energy but a side effect was madness in that mode. Kabuto used as much of what He learn from Orochimaru knowledge that was in the Orochimaru cells for that is the reason for Orochimaru rebirth from Anko’s curse seal. Orochimaru puts into His seal not only DNA of His body but DNA of His brain,He stores away His personality in the seal.When Sasuke brought back Orochimaru without that knowledge you should have had a body but the mind of a child. But instead we had a fully functional Orochimaru. If Kabuto did visit the lord of dragons He got a crash course and that was because of Orochimaru knowledge,you still need personal experience and you only get that from practice,practice,learning from mistakes and corrections of set mistakes just you do in real life. The School of hard knocks.

 

[Prince Badman]

You apparently forgot the panel in the Manga when Kabuto used the IV of collected DNA to increase His powers along with Orochimaru DNA,plus Him telling Naruto that He was fighting Orochimaru cells from taking over confirm by Hinata’s Byakugan with Yamato their as witness. It was Orochimaru cells that help open the door for snake/dragon mode without it. It would never would have happen.This tell you that Kabuto’s original body was not Sage ready. Orochimaru study it but like Jiraiya He was not a full Sage in Orochimaru case He needed Jugo DNA to created the curse seal to gather Natural Energy but a side effect was madness in that mode. Kabuto used as much of what He learn from Orochimaru knowledge that was in the Orochimaru cells for that is the reason for Orochimaru rebirth from Anko’s curse seal. Orochimaru puts into His seal not only DNA of His body but DNA of His brain,He stores away His personality in the seal.When Sasuke brought back Orochimaru without that knowledge you should have had a body but the mind of a child. But instead we had a fully functional Orochimaru. If Kabuto did visit the lord of dragons He got a crash course and that was because of Orochimaru knowledge,you still need personal experience and you only get that from practice,practice,learning from mistakes and corrections of set mistakes just you do in real life. The School of hard knocks.

Well he did inject himself with Oro's DNA a lot others but it doesn't mean that he acquired sage mode because of that.....as i remember that snakes weren't exactly cooperative at least Manda wasn't so i highly doubt that Kabuto would have got a favour or a crash course sort of thing we got nothing to prove that......practice and mistakes that a part of something completely different. you need practice just to control the sage mode otherwise you will self destruct....Naruto gained perfect control over the sage mode and utilised it with great effect but i guess thats what Kabuto did too.....he modified his body but you need practice to control those modifications otherwise he would have been comsumed by mixed personalities a long time before....