Sage Mode and Rinnegan

[KingHashirama]

Many people believe that the Sage of the 6 Paths became known as a "sage" because of mastering SM. However, I oppose that.


What we know:

- Juubi see the Rikudou with a Rinnegan.

- Rinnegan is said to be the power of the Sage of the 6 paths.

- Rinnegan can help you seal the 10-tails.

- Rikudou is the ONLY PERSON in Naruto-verse that was born with chakra.

- Juubi itself = Natural energy, which the SM is composed of.

- Nagato was called the 3rd SAGE of the 6 paths, without even having the SM. Meaning Rinnegan makes you a Sage.


My explanation on my Thought:

I came under this conclusion because of the fact that Obito someone who was in a weakened state was able to become the Jinchuriki of the Juubi, no SM just a rinnegan and a sharingan.

Also, I believe we have seen the end of SM. The 3 great Sage Modes. Frog/Snake/Nature??

My theory is based on the 3 Gods of Shinobi, and how they show case the power of the Naruto-verse together and in different forms. And how 1 can do the things the other can't. Yes I am aware Rikudou is the origin of the Senju bloodline, but however the whole "genetics" thing is totally different in Naruto, evident from Hashirama having huge ass chakra and mokuton, while his parents didn't possess any.

The the 3 GOS and their unique powers:

Rikudou Sennin (non jin)-
This man has shown to symbolize the God Eye of the Rinnegan, he is literally symbolized by those eyes. And lets not forget he had powerful chakra. But notice that none of the others have the rinnegan, or became a jinchuriki of that magnitude (not saying they couldn't be, but saying they didn't). So Eye of the Shinju and powerful chakras. Also he symbolizes life and death.


Hashirama Senju -
This man, lets just start off with the name of his Clan, Senju clan of the Forest. His clan is straight up connected to the physical world. Unlike anyone before him (even Rikudou Senin) this man was born with Mokuton, the literal body of the Shinju. He also possess chakra higher or equal to the second strongest tailed beast (9-tails), He then possesses SM (another physical thing representing the BODY) that is more powerful than any other we know. And notice that none of the other 3 GOS have shown this. He represents NATURE itself.



Hiruzen Sarutobi -
This man has mastery over the 5 elements that none of the 2 have shown. He also has mastered combat forms and other jutsus. He has shown to represent what one can attain with normal chakra to the max. And the full potential of chakra without any KKGs, something Hashirama and Rikudou didn't show. He represents humans in an aspect or power of humans.

Conclusion:​

Now my opinion is that, Rikudou did not have Sage mode, because he had the Rinnegan. And lets be more specific he became known as the SAGE of the 6 Paths of the Rinnegan. Not no Sage like Jiraiya...

So Rinnegan and SM enable you to get the title "Sage". You do not need SM to become known as a "sage". And Rikudou will not have the abilities possessed by Hiruzen and Hashirama. Meaning Rikudou Sennin will not show master over the 5 elements/Mokuton/SM/Combat forms. Its not going to happen.

Now this is all my opinion. Now I would like your opinion on my opinion. And please stay logical.

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[Aquarius]

Long post but kind of informative but i already know the difference between becoming sage of paths and real sage, anyway thumbs up to your effort

 

[Six Paths]

Well you are not wrong and your theory makes sense.

 

[Uchiha Sutona]

Are you saying that the SOSP does not have mastery over the 5 elements? if so thats very wrong... The rinnegan allows him to do so.
I commend you for your post and its really cool and all but theory's about the SOSP are very very risky... We literally know nothing about him. We only know a few details..

 

[KingHashirama]

Are you saying that the SOSP does not have mastery over the 5 elements? if so thats very wrong... The rinnegan allows him to do so.
I commend you for your post and its really cool and all but theory's about the SOSP are very very risky... We literally know nothing about him. We only know a few details..

Allowing him to do doesn't = doing it.

And yes they are risky, when we try to oppose what is not the manga the whole "Hyuuga/Uzumaki" related theories. But I just connected puzzles in the manga.

 

[Champ]

Rikudo had Sage mode

 

[KingHashirama]

Rikudo had Sage mode

when someone provides a whole post of explaining why he believes he doesn't have it. Your statement with nothing to back it up, really doesn't mean anything. But thank you for the opinion either way.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

wait a second bro, you don't think the SO6P had mastery over the 5 elements ??

i'm sorry dude but, you lost me the moment you mentioned Hashi/Hiruzen as god's next to the Sage and said that they can do stuff he can't do/stuff unique to them lol

i actually believe that the SO6P's normal form was actually SM :yeah:

 

[KingHashirama]

wait a second bro, you don't think the SO6P had mastery over the 5 elements ??

i'm sorry dude but, you lost the moment you you mentioned Hashi/Hiruzen as god's next to the Sage and said that they can do stuff he can't lol

Whats so special about Rikudou. I mentioned Hashi/Hiruzen as god's next to the Sage? or was it Kishimoto who gave them those titles?

And yea, are you saying Rikudou can do FTG? Are you saying Rikudou can do Bringer of DArkness? Are you claiming Rikudou can do the buddha? Are you claiming Rikudou posses all my elements and do shadow clone?

If your logic is "he is the originator, and he can do all those things", then i must let you know this is one of the most flawed things in the fans, and is contradicted by the manga over and over and over.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

SO6P had SM because only SM can work against Juubi

SO6P also had Rinnegan U_U

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Whats so special about Rikudou. I mentioned Hashi/Hiruzen as god's next to the Sage? or was it Kishimoto who gave them those titles?

And yea, are you saying Rikudou can do FTG? Are you saying Rikudou can do Bringer of DArkness? Are you claiming Rikudou can do the buddha? Are you claiming Rikudou posses all my elements and do shadow clone?

If your logic is "he is the originator, and he can do all those things", then i must let you know this is one of the most flawed things in the fans, and is contradicted by the manga over and over and over.

what's so special about the Sage ?? Hashirama/Hiruzen might be gods to the average shinobi but, the Sage was a god to Hashirama and Hiruzen.

and the fact that he had a Rinnegan alone could mean that he can use the 5 elements.

i keep saying it over and over bro, no one is even close to the Sage in any aspect.

FTG is a form of S/T (created after his time) but, if you think the Sage had no knowledge of the concepts of S/T (can break such jutsu's apart, child's play to him) then you're mistaken, the same goes for the rest of Jutsu's you mentioned.

 

[KingHashirama]

SO6P had SM because only SM can work against Juubi

SO6P also had Rinnegan U_U

Highly false. Only SM can work against the Jinchuriki of the juubi.

 

[KingHashirama]

what's so special about the Sage ?? Hashirama/Hiruzen might be gods to the average shinobi but, the Sage was a god to Hashirama and Hiruzen.

and the fact that he had a Rinnegan alone could mean that he can use the 5 elements.

i keep saying it over and over bro, no one is even close to the Sage in any aspect.

Only problem is he wasn't. He didn't even become known as God until he became the jinchuriki. While I'm talking about pre-jin Rikudou. Becoming the Jinchuriki of the Juubi isn't a "only - RIkudou can do that" feat either.

He COULD. Just like Nagato COULD but never did. On top of that he didn't have anyone to teach him shinobi arts to learn techniques. His teachings of chakra resulted in the formation of shinobi arts.

And i keep saying it over and over, you guys wank Rikudou like there is no end. But get mad if someone puts Hashirama/Hiruzen on that level. You demand feats from those 2, but consider Rikudou an exception. Come on now bro. Be logical now. Why would Kishimoto make 3 G.O.S with different powers?

 

[Oblivionx]

SO6P had SM because only SM can work against Juubi

SO6P also had Rinnegan U_U

this is one problem and other is sage created a lot of things and rinnegan allows mastery over 5 elements and if nagato was able to do it at the age of 9 i think then sage should be able to do it too but the 1st problem is solved if sage didn't fought jubi at all and just sealed it like obito and madara and 2nd doesn't really matter in what OP is implying but since we will never know so i don't know...! XD

Edit: oh i forgot SM is necessary to fight jubi's jin and not the jubi itself...! well it feels like a plot hole and BS so i forgot...!

 

[KingHashirama]

this is one problem and other is sage created a lot of things and rinnegan allows mastery over 5 elements and if nagato was able to do it at the age of 9 i think then sage should be able to do it too but the 1st problem is solved if sage didn't fought jubi at all and just sealed it like obito and madara and 2nd doesn't really matter in what OP is implying but since we will never know so i don't know...! XD

Nagato was TAUGHT, by Jiraiya. Didn't learn that on his own. Rikudou didn't have anyone to teach him. So we cannot simply assume he learned all the 5 elements.

On top of that his techniques with the elements are kind of pathetic compared to Hiruzen's scale with shadow clones..

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Only problem is he wasn't. He didn't even become known as God until he became the jinchuriki. While I'm talking about pre-jin Rikudou. Becoming the Jinchuriki of the Juubi isn't a "only - RIkudou can do that" feat either.

He COULD. Just like Nagato COULD but never did. On top of that he didn't have anyone to teach him shinobi arts to learn techniques. His teachings of chakra resulted in the formation of shinobi arts.

And i keep saying it over and over, you guys wank Rikudou like there is no end. But get mad if someone puts Hashirama/Hiruzen on that level. You demand feats from those 2, but consider Rikudou an exception. Come on now bro. Be logical now. Why would Kishimoto make 3 G.O.S with different powers?

come on man you can't be serious ........................

Hashirama/Hiruzen were called god's of the Shinobi world by Shinobi's while people denied the existence of the Sage because of his power/achievements.

you see that BOLD .................... oh god, his understanding of jutsu/chakra is beyond what both Hashirama/Hiruzen can comprehend, to take on the Juubi alone then attempt to separate it into 9 different beings speaks volumes of his level/understanding before he became a host, and to do a jutsu such as "creation of all things" that alone shit's on everyone else.

i don't wank no SO6P lol you just can't handle the fact that he's above Hashirama by faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar.

 

[KingHashirama]

come on man you can't be serious ........................

Hashirama/Hiruzen were called god's of the Shinobi world by Shinobi's while people denied the existence of the Sage because of his power/achievements.

you see that BOLD .................... oh god, his understanding of jutsu/chakra is beyond what both Hashirama/Hiruzen can comprehend, to take on the Juubi alone then attempt to separate it into 9 different beings speaks volumes of his level/understanding before he became a host, and to do a jutsu such as "creation of all things" that alone shit's on everyone else.

i don't wank no SO6P lol you just can't handle the fact that he's above Hashirama by faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar.

Obviously you are being a selective reader. People started to deny the existence of Hashirama's power, you know why people denied Rikudou's existence, because it had been a long ass time. But too bad Uchiha clan/Senju clan knew that he existed. Hence why you don't see Hashirama calling him "god of shinobi" or w.e.


Where is the proof that says his understand of jutsu/chakra is beyond what hashirama and hiruzen can comprehend? Yea and a f*cked up Obito with 1 rinnegan and a sharingan became the jinchuriki.. it is only logical someone with 2 rinnegans and a powerful chakra became the jinchuriki of the juubi also. And I'm assuming you didn't read the part where i stated i'm talking about pre-jin Rikudou.

I'm wanking Hashirama or can't handle the fact? rofl. ok buddy. Even though i'm the same guy who has stated Jin Obito >>> Hashirama?

And I'm the same guy who said Hashirama can't do the sh*t Hiruzen can. I could wank like yourself and say he can do it since he is the originator of Konoha, and say he can do all of Konoha's jutsu. =D

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Obviously you are being a selective reader. People started to deny the existence of Hashirama's power, you know why people denied Rikudou's existence, because it had been a long ass time. But too bad Uchiha clan/Senju clan knew that he existed. Hence why you don't see Hashirama calling him "god of shinobi" or w.e.


Where is the proof that says his understand of jutsu/chakra is beyond what hashirama and hiruzen can comprehend? Yea and a f*cked up Obito with 1 rinnegan and a sharingan became the jinchuriki.. it is only logical someone with 2 rinnegans and a powerful chakra became the jinchuriki of the juubi also. And I'm assuming you didn't read the part where i stated i'm talking about pre-jin Rikudou.

I'm wanking Hashirama or can't handle the fact? rofl. ok buddy. Even though i'm the same guy who has stated Jin Obito >>> Hashirama?

And I'm the same guy who said Hashirama can't do the sh*t Hiruzen can. I could wank like yourself and say he can do it since he is the originator of Konoha, and say he can do all of Konoha's jutsu. =D

i called the Sage a god to both Hashirama/Hiruzen coz they are not even close to his achievements, he even created the moon without the Juubi's power/after he was separated from it.

ok i'll say it again, to attempt to do such a thing as separating the Juubi into nine living beings/"creation of all things" after taking on the Juubi ALONE is not the same as Obito becoming the Juubi's host after acquiring what's needed, and doing it without a fight to a weaker version of the Juubi.

also the fact that he attempted to do such a thing/the only one with this feat means that he already had a higher understanding of chakra/jutsu BEFORE he even acquired the Juubi's power/to create something out of nothing (knowledge don't come with the Juubi's power), this guy was beyond all the current characters without the Juubi.

this is not the first time we talked about this but, you really don't like the fact that the Sage is beyond everyone especially Hashi lol

you know that stating the obvious (Juubito is stronger than Hashi) proves nothing really.

and again it's wanking when you speak of the SO6P.

 

[KingHashirama]

i called the Sage a god to both Hashirama/Hiruzen coz they are not even close to his achievements, he even created the moon without the Juubi's power/after he was separated from it.

ok i'll say it again, to attempt to do such a thing as separating the Juubi into nine living beings/"creation of all things" after taking on the Juubi ALONE is not the same as Obito becoming the Juubi's host after acquiring what's needed, and doing it without a fight to a weaker version of the Juubi.

also the fact that he attempted to do such a thing/the only one with this feat means that he already had a higher understanding of chakra/jutsu BEFORE he even acquired the Juubi's power/to create something out of nothing (knowledge don't come with the Juubi's power), this guy was beyond all the current characters without the Juubi.

this is not the first time we talked about this but, you really don't like the fact that the Sage is beyond everyone especially Hashi lol

Hashirama: - Pinned the Juubi like a lil biotch. - Tamed most of the tailed beasts. - became known as the God of Shinobi, without being the jinchuriki of a god.

ok first of all lets clarify somethings. He had the chakra avalaible to do those things. He on top of that had the experience with CoA. Its like giving Mokuton to Rikudou and asking him to use it on Hashirama's level. Notice that he seperated the body and the chakra of the juubi. Meaning he still had the Juubi's chakra to do stuff with. Don't see why people are excluding this...

And you act as if Obito himself was in 100 percent shape. And if Naruto and etc had given up, he still would've became the Jinchuriki by himself..

Also, no that does not show he had an higher understanding of chakra. He taught the teachings of chakra.. everything he knew people like Hashirama know also... he simply had the ability to create something out of chakra.

And I can say the opposite thing about you, that you don't like the fact that people like Madara are on his level. And people Hashirama are equal to him in his non-jin form.


Rikudou - became the GOS after becoming the jinchuriki

Hashirama - became the GOD without becoming the jinchuriki

No clue why you are focusing on just Hashirama.... when Hiruzen is equally part of the thread.. You can't claim i'm wanking if i'm saying Hiruzen someone weaker than Hashirama, has mastery over something that Hashirama doesn't have..

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Hashirama: - Pinned the Juubi like a lil biotch. - Tamed most of the tailed beasts. - became known as the God of Shinobi, without being the jinchuriki of a god.

ok first of all lets clarify somethings. He had the chakra avalaible to do those things. He on top of that had the experience with CoA. Its like giving Mokuton to Rikudou and asking him to use it on Hashirama's level. Notice that he seperated the body and the chakra of the juubi. Meaning he still had the Juubi's chakra to do stuff with. Don't see why people are excluding this...

And you act as if Obito himself was in 100 percent shape. And if Naruto and etc had given up, he still would've became the Jinchuriki by himself..

Also, no that does not show he had an higher understanding of chakra. He taught the teachings of chakra.. everything he knew people like Hashirama know also... he simply had the ability to create something out of chakra.

And I can say the opposite thing about you, that you don't like the fact that people like Madara are on his level. And people Hashirama are equal to him in his non-jin form.


Rikudou - became the GOS after becoming the jinchuriki

Hashirama - became the GOD without becoming the jinchuriki

No clue why you are focusing on just Hashirama.... when Hiruzen is equally part of the thread.. You can't claim i'm wanking if i'm saying Hiruzen someone weaker than Hashirama, has mastery over something that Hashirama doesn't have..

not gonna even comment on the bold and the only reason i said you don't like the fact that the Sage is above Hashi/everyone is because of your reaction when you said "what's so special about the sage ??" lol we talked about this before and this is not the first time you tried to prove that the Sage is nothing special.

anyways forget about it, i'm just messing with you :heh:

BTW Hashi pinned a weaker version of the Juubi.