[VS] Sabo vs rob lucci cp0

[Punk Hazard]

I'm tempted to post this thread on other forums and watch the members tear you apart. This is so ridiculous.....I'm being 100% honest when I say that I've never thought of the possibility of me having to debate with something that thinks a yonkou is weaker than her subordinates because she's a woman/reasons....

Once again, there is nothing backed by the manga. You have one little example of Buggy who we saw recruit people stronger than him and cling to that to say a yonkou is weaker than her subordinates. Your logic makes no sense and its so obvious that you are pulling things out of the air. You even tossed aside all of those examples of people who better physical strength & capabilities losing.

I'm pretty sure he realized how dumb he sounded and is just trolling now

 

[Skull Knight]

most children surpass their mother in physical strength when in their prime.. is this not true? Answer that question. Is it not true?

I also wants to see BM's demise in this arc but certain things u are saying makes no sense.
What makes u think she is weaker than Cracker who is like 3rd or 4th strongest person in BM's crew???
-kids surpassing there mother(in terms of strength) is real world logic. This is manga we are talking about where swords also have df powers(how the hell did a sword ate a df???)

Seriously dude...you're not making any sense.....why should anyone for any logical reason think Luffy can beat a yonkou right now in a 1v1? Absolutely nothing. Luffy cant stop by himself and there is no reason to think otherwise. Damn.....I think I'm a hater now since I said this.....

Yes now your name is also included in the list of Luffy hater lol.

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[Vandenre1ch]

I also wants to see BM's demise in this arc but certain things u are saying makes no sense.
What makes u think she is weaker than Cracker who is like 3rd or 4th strongest person in BM's crew???
-kids surpassing there mother(in terms of strength) is real world logic. This is manga we are talking about where swords also have df powers(how the hell did a sword ate a df???)




Yes now your name is also included in the list of Luffy hater lol.

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"Stupid Idiot."

 

[LBeezy]

I can't wait for Luffy to kick Big Mom's ass..

 

[ichirou]

Considering Rob lucci was bent on going in the ship and Sabo was just playing while stalling him. I can say that Sabo negs this.

And btw there is no chance Luffy is gonna defeat a yonkou all by himself atm aside from making his bounty raise so high at such a short period of time, Luffy needed G4 and Elemental advantage to go toe to toe with Cracker who is below Big mom and Im saying this since shes a ****ing yonkou and she stayed as one for a long time and unlike buggy who gained fame due to lucky events and his boastful mouth, BM doesnt brag about her power to her crew since she doesnt need to and she ****ing eats her own daughters and sons if they make her angry.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I can't wait for Luffy to kick Big Mom's ass..

"I never said Luffy will beat Big Mom!11!1!"

 

[Nox]

Let's see Lucci handle Luffy let alone Sabo who is superior. To deny portrayal of him as such is bizarre to say the least. You don't need disposition and catalogs to see Oda has handled him in such a manner. Ace had asked Luffy to meet him at the summit & Sabo is much closer that he was.

 

[-Akuma-]

But that rank itself has never been hyped like a Yonko status, so you can't compare them whatsoever.


I have never said that Akainu and Shanks clashing has little meaning. The fact that his sword was able to counteract the heat of the magma is a feat.

Luffy having a town sized attack doesn't mean that Luffy can clash with Whitebeard like Shanks did.

Shanks also has the hype of Teach, while strong enough to fight Sengoku and Garp and injure Sengoku, said he wasn't ready for Shanks, the same hype that Akainu got.


That's not what Luffy said.

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Luffy was able to send Fujitora flying backwards with Gear Second and Gear Third, a feat Sabo never demonstrated. Luffy was carried off because of a SCHEDULE, not because they thought he couldn't beat Fujitora.



You can't give a feat accomplished through the joint effort of the entire crew to Burgess. All you know is he more than likely played a role in defeating the remaining Whitebeard Pirates, but you have no idea how big a role he was able to play. You keep bringing up inconclusive "feats." Just because two people have the same rank of commander doesn't mean they're the same strength.
5. Sabo is a haki monster with a logia fruit. There is no evidence he wouldnt.

There are a lot of reasons that "!!!?" could be there fam[/QUOTE]

HAHAHAHA of course there is.

 

[-Akuma-]

Oda isn't consistent with scratches and bruises as shown numerous times in the manga. That's wasn't no ****ing shading either, but you clearly aren't objective you only see what you want. Your trying to tell me that that big ass black spot is shading despite the shading that's clearly on the face is completely different looking from it? If Oda is going to shade, he's going to shade most of the face. But you can clearly see that Fuji has a bruise or scratch on his cheek.

Its a knock on Luffy because he has blunt resistance? ***** get that weak ass argument out of here, you defend Cracker hiding behind his clones because its his DF, but yet you downplay Luffy because his DF grants blunt resistance? Your done. Your bias is showing.

I'm pretty sure the attack is still stronger the closer you are to it than when you are farther away from it. It may not drop significantly but it still drops, but that's not the point. Luffy literally took the full brunt of the attack but yet it doesn't matter? Your comparing Luffy getting knocked back in close range whilst also still being injured to Sabo being pushed back despite being several meters away? Your done.

***** what? You mean those same meteors that Doflamingo and even Law casually cut up with low end attacks? Are you trying to tell me that Luffy couldn't have destroyed those meteors? If so then I can't take this argument seriously.

He would win because of only the time limit which is my point.

So? It being a scratch or bruise was never 100% sure with to begin with and it literally appearing for one panel isn't helping your cause at all, so yeah you're going to have to come up with more than that. Oda himself doesn't and hasn't shaded most of the face when shading.

The situations are completely different from each other get Luffy's **** out of your ass. You're making is seem like Luffy took a FT because he was a tank when it was purely due to his DF, let Luffy take an attack on the same level as that and the attack be something he DF doesn't save him from he's getting ****ed. The Cracker and Luffy scenarios are dofferent, I'm not hyping Cracker to be some tank or physical monster he's a ***** with good haki, that's it.

No, Fuji's attack has stupid range, if there is a drop in power it won't be noticeable at all. So yeah Luffy got blown back by FT with no resistance while Sabo got hit by an attack with pretty much the same amount of power and was resisting it.

Please shut the **** up, Law's power ignores regular durability for objects meaning he can take shit apart much easier than Luffy can while Doffy's low end attack allow far more destruction than Luffy's it just the nature of the DF.

Cracker would win without timeimit.

 

[Punk Hazard]

HAHAHAHA of course there is.

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Luffy not only announces his presence to Fujitora before he threw that punch, but Fujitora acknowledged that Luffy was there. He called out to Luffy, and turned his directly towards Luffy, and reacted to everything Luffy was saying. Fujitora has Observation Haki that spread across pretty much all of Dressorsa. What part of this means it makes sense that Fujitora was surprised by the fact that Luffy punched him?

He could be surprised because he didn't expect Luffy to carry that much strength, or surprised that Luffy's fist grew. Whatever you wanna take your pick from. But it wasn't a sneak attack, because Fujitora noticed Luffy was there, acknowledge and spoke to Luffy, and has the Haki to tell Luffy was coming. There was no way that the actual punch itself was a surprise.

Regardless of what you want those punctuation marks to mean, Luffy did not sneak up on Fujitora.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So? It being a scratch or bruise was never 100% sure with to begin with and it literally appearing for one panel isn't helping your cause at all, so yeah you're going to have to come up with more than that. Oda himself doesn't and hasn't shaded most of the face when shading.

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Dude, you can see the shading and the bruise are drawn completely differently. The shading on Fujitora's face is drawn as several vertical lines. The bruise is drawn in darker ink than those lines and is blotchy and amorphous, not linear like the rest of the shading. They're clearly two separate things.

The situations are completely different from each other get Luffy's **** out of your ass. You're making is seem like Luffy took a FT because he was a tank when it was purely due to his DF, let Luffy take an attack on the same level as that and the attack be something he DF doesn't save him from he's getting ****ed. The Cracker and Luffy scenarios are dofferent, I'm not hyping Cracker to be some tank or physical monster he's a ***** with good haki, that's it.

And yet the only reason Sabo tanked FT was because he was a Logia, so he and Luffy are in the same boat as each other.

No, Fuji's attack has stupid range, if there is a drop in power it won't be noticeable at all. So yeah Luffy got blown back by FT with no resistance while Sabo got hit by an attack with pretty much the same amount of power and was resisting it.

Not to mention that when Fujitora used FT on Luffy, Sabo was standing flat on the ground while Luffy was punching downwards at Fujitora. Fujitora was even already channeling the gravity for FT and Luffy was able to resist it.[

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[-Akuma-]

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Luffy not only announces his presence to Fujitora before he threw that punch, but Fujitora acknowledged that Luffy was there. He called out to Luffy, and turned his directly towards Luffy, and reacted to everything Luffy was saying. Fujitora has Observation Haki that spread across pretty much all of Dressorsa. What part of this means it makes sense that Fujitora was surprised by the fact that Luffy punched him?

He could be surprised because he didn't expect Luffy to carry that much strength, or surprised that Luffy's fist grew. Whatever you wanna take your pick from. But it wasn't a sneak attack, because Fujitora noticed Luffy was there, acknowledge and spoke to Luffy, and has the Haki to tell Luffy was coming. There was no way that the actual punch itself was a surprise.

Regardless of what you want those punctuation marks to mean, Luffy did not sneak up on Fujitora.

And you notice the little '?' after Luffy even announces himself to Fujitora? Fujitora saw Luffy but even after that wasn't sure of what Luffy was going to do in that situation. Again tyring to use obs haki as an argument isn't really solid seeing how inconsistant obs haki is.

Your telling me that Fujitora, the Marine Admiral was surpised at Luffy, who at this point is a wildly known Pirate using signture move. That would imply that Fujitora really didn't know much about Luffy's power which is just ludcruous at this point.

Luffy at this point had taken down Doffy and you think Fujitora would be shocked at the strength of one of Luffy's weaker punches? Luffy never snunk up on Fujitora but he was taken off guard by it.

 

[-Akuma-]

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Dude, you can see the shading and the bruise are drawn completely differently. The shading on Fujitora's face is drawn as several vertical lines. The bruise is drawn in darker ink than those lines and is blotchy and amorphous, not linear like the rest of the shading. They're clearly two separate things.



And yet the only reason Sabo tanked FT was because he was a Logia, so he and Luffy are in the same boat as each other.



Not to mention that when Fujitora used FT on Luffy, Sabo was standing flat on the ground while Luffy was punching downwards at Fujitora. Fujitora was even already channeling the gravity for FT and Luffy was able to resist it.[

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You realize that's shading for his scar right? Unless he just lost some of his scar for that panel, the parts of the scar under his eye are darker because that part of the fact is shaded more heavily.

Sabo resisted TF before that for a panel or two before being forced into his logia form, unlike Luffy who was just blown immediately back.

Fuji was channeling some gravity inside his blade, Luffy was resisting the move before it is released isn't impressive.

 

[Punk Hazard]

To add to everything else, we have a shot of Fuji using gravity to block Gear Third[

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And not even needing Gravity to block Sabo as he propels himself and enhances his kick through the Mera Mera[

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This alone suggests that Luffy using Gear Third is stronger than Sabo enhancing his kicks with the Mera. Even if you want to argue that Sabo enhancing his kick with Buso would push it even further, Luffy using Gear Fourth creates a far greater increase in power than Sabo has ever shown when increasing his power with Buso.

You realize that's shading for his scar right? Unless he just lost some of his scar for that panel, the parts of the scar under his eye are darker because that part of the fact is shaded more heavily.

Except for the facts that:

1. The shading doesn't get darker as it goes down, so neither should the scare because the shading being consistent through his whole face means the light is consistent across his entire face

2. The scar is drawn as lighter than the shading, which can be seen the right side of his face, while the bruise that you're calling a scar is darker than the shading.

3. The scar on Fujitora's face is linear as it's drawn vertically and straight down. The bruise is circularly and stretches outwards horizontally, which it wouldn't do if it was just part of his scar.

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The bruise is clearly covering his scar.

Sabo resisted TF before that for a panel or two before being forced into his logia form, unlike Luffy who was just blown immediately back.

Untrue. We literally have two panels of Luffy being pushed with Gravity after Fujitora activates the Gravitou: Raging Tiger.

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To add to everything else, we have a shot of Fuji using gravity to block Gear Third[

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You realize that's probably the black lightning when haki user clash.

And not even needing Gravity to block Sabo as he propels himself and enhances his kick through the Mera Mera[

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Fujitora didn't use gravity and as a result Sabo caused Fujitora to grunt out in pain. This was the only time Fuji done that in the arc. While Fujitora actually use gravity to block a strike from Sabo at the start of the fight:

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(The effect of Fujitora's gravity is the multiple circles, here's when he brought the meteor down for reference

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This alone suggests that Luffy using Gear Third is stronger than Sabo enhancing his kicks with the Mera. Even if you want to argue that Sabo enhancing his kick with Buso would push it even further, Luffy using Gear Fourth creates a far greater increase in power than Sabo has ever shown when increasing his power with Buso.

Nope, as I shown Fuji didn't use gravity to block shit, in fact Sabo caused Fuji to block with gravity and when he didn't his attack was strong enough to get a reaction out of Fujitora unlike Luffy.

Except for the facts that:

1. The shading doesn't get darker as it goes down, so neither should the scare because the shading being consistent through his whole face means the light is consistent across his entire face

2. The scar is drawn as lighter than the shading, which can be seen the right side of his face, while the bruise that you're calling a scar is darker than the shading.

3. The scar on Fujitora's face is linear as it's drawn vertically and straight down. The bruise is circularly and stretches outwards horizontally, which it wouldn't do if it was just part of his scar.

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The bruise is clearly covering his scar.

Sure.

Untrue. We literally have two panels of Luffy being pushed with Gravity after Fujitora activates the Gravitou: Raging Tiger.

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The move wasn't activated until he said 'Furious Tiger' and that's when Luffy got thrown back immediatley:

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That little push of gravity wasn't the actual move Furious Tiger.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You realize that's probably the black lightning when haki user clash.

It's from his Gravity.

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The black lightning only happens when Haoshoku users clash, not Busoshoku.

Fujitora didn't use gravity and as a result Sabo caused Fujitora to grunt out in pain. This was the only time Fuji done that in the arc. While Fujitora actually use gravity to block a strike from Sabo at the start of the fight:

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Nope, the effects of Fuji's gravity is multiple circles for that technique. When using Furious Tiger, or pinning Law to the ground, or making rocks float, or lifting the debris all over Dressrosa, there are no circles.

Nope, as I shown Fuji didn't use gravity to block shit, in fact Sabo caused Fuji to block with gravity and when he didn't his attack was strong enough to get a reaction out of Fujitora unlike Luffy.

Fujitora grunting in effort when blocking Sabo's attack is pretty comparable to Fujitora panting because of his fight with Luffy, so that's a moot point that doesn't help your case at all.

Sure.

Smart decision by not trying to keep up that dumb "It's not a bruise argument."

The move wasn't activated until he said 'Furious Tiger' and that's when Luffy got thrown back immediatley:

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That little push of gravity wasn't the actual move Furious Tiger.

This is just guesswork. Wrong one at that too. When Fuji used FT on Sabo, it was initiated by the swing of his sword. Considering he already swung his sword when Luffy punched at him, it's far more feasible that the waves of gravity we see there is the FT being momentarily resisted by Luffy.

 

[chopstickchakra]

For what it's worth I think those !!!'s you two are arguing about are from Fuji's surprise at the strength of Luffy's attack not Luffy's attack happening.

 

[Punk Hazard]

For what it's worth I think those !!!'s you two are arguing about are from Fuji's surprise at the strength of Luffy's attack not Luffy's attack happening.

I'm pretty sure it's this as well.

 

[-Akuma-]

It's from his Gravity.

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The black lightning only happens when Haoshoku users clash, not Busoshoku.

Nope.

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Nope, the effects of Fuji's gravity is multiple circles for that technique. When using Furious Tiger, or pinning Law to the ground, or making rocks float, or lifting the debris all over Dressrosa, there are no circles.

It not purely that technique, or are you saying Oda drew that same effect but just for decoration this time?

Fujitora grunting in effort when blocking Sabo's attack is pretty comparable to Fujitora panting because of his fight with Luffy, so that's a moot point that doesn't help your case at all.

Fujitora was panting because Luffy made him mad not because Luffy's attack done that to him. Unless you're saying Akaniu attacking Fujitora through the Den Den Mushi?

This is just guesswork. Wrong one at that too. When Fuji used FT on Sabo, it was initiated by the swing of his sword. Considering he already swung his sword when Luffy punched at him, it's far more feasible that the waves of gravity we see there is the FT being momentarily resisted by Luffy.

When used against Sabo the full brunt of the move itself wasn't utnil he actually had shouted out Furious Tiger. Just like in the Luffy situation Sabo is looking directly at Fujitora as he say 'Gravi-Sword' and the black lightning appears (yeah at this point is probably isn't haki) and Sabo is uneffected until he say Furious Tiger afterwards.