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[Punk Hazard]

The best example of what I'm saying is the Shichibukai Buggy.

It's not the best example. It's the only example. There is no trend here. The actual trend is that the leader of the crew is the strongest. Nothing suggests that Big Mom doesn't fit this trend, and one example out of a group of 40 is not enough to justify thinking Big Mom will break this trend. The chances of Big Mom being the strongest member of her crew is 97.5% to 2.5%, and you think it's sure-fire that she isn't the strongest just because Luffy is involved.

Fanboy.

So it isn't unlikely that out of the 4 Yonko, one of them should be the weakest.. Big Mom is the perfect candidate for this if Oda wants to progress the story at a good pace..

Are you trying to say that Big Mom can't be the weakest Yonko and the strongest member of her crew at the same time?

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BM's whole catch is that she loves building a family of all races.. Therefore she has ALOT of people under her command, but the funny thing is that it's mostly due to family ties.. by blood..
So if Oda wants to, he can easily have some of her children be beasts and be stronger than her, but obviously they would still obey her because that's their mother.

As I said before, the odds of this being true is 2.5% to 97.5%. You have nothing to support this aside from the fact that you just want Luffy to beat a Yonko this arc instead of in a future one. Give it up.

Her yonko status is probably all based off of the large amount of "crew" and territory that she has.. not necessarily her own strength and power.. (similar to how you said yourself that anyone can become Pirate King, not based on their own strength or power. And like how you also deny Garp's description of the Yonko and say that it is based on their crews and territory control, not just their own power alone. These are your words I've seen you post multiple times)
Most of her children are also scared of her because of her DF ability.. something Luffy (and other strong characters) would never be..

It has nothing to do with her status of Yonko. It has to do with her status over Cracker. Oda has established a trend in the manga of the leader of the crew being the strongest, and only one of them has been an exception. You've got nothing going for you.

Notice how nothing I say has been proven wrong.. and of course it hasn't been proven right either.. this is why it's called theorizing and guessing about what can happen in the future of the story..

I'm not saying that this idea is fact.. I'm using facts to support my idea..

Lol you aren't using any facts. You're misusing the status of one crew captain.

Know the difference please bro..

So someone denying my theory when it hasn't been able to be proven wrong, sounds like a hater because their only reasoning is "Luffy cant beat a Yonko right now, he had a hard time with Cracker."

I'm denying your theory because the odds are heavily against your favor. I'm denying your theory because you think that an example of ONE out of FORTY is enough of a trend to base your opinion. Face it man. You're not basing your opinion based on facts from the manga. You based your opinion based on how much you like Luffy, and look for any scrap of anything to support it. That's why you keep clinging to "Luffy is physically stronger" and "here's ONE crew out of FORTY where the captain isn't stronger.

That's the difference. Your theory is garbage because you didn't look at the manga and form your opinion, you looked at how much you love Luffy and bias how you look at the manga to fit that narrative, even when there's more against it.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

It's not the best example. It's the only example. There is no trend here. The actual trend is that the leader of the crew is the strongest. Nothing suggests that Big Mom doesn't fit this trend, and one example out of a group of 40 is not enough to justify thinking Big Mom will break this trend. The chances of Big Mom being the strongest member of her crew is 97.5% to 2.5%, and you think it's sure-fire that she isn't the strongest just because Luffy is involved.

Fanboy.


Are you trying to say that Big Mom can't be the weakest Yonko and the strongest member of her crew at the same time?

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As I said before, the odds of this being true is 2.5% to 97.5%. You have nothing to support this aside from the fact that you just want Luffy to beat a Yonko this arc instead of in a future one. Give it up.



It has nothing to do with her status of Yonko. It has to do with her status over Cracker. Oda has established a trend in the manga of the leader of the crew being the strongest, and only one of them has been an exception. You've got nothing going for you.



Lol you aren't using any facts. You're misusing the status of one crew captain.



I'm denying your theory because the odds are heavily against your favor. I'm denying your theory because you think that an example of ONE out of FORTY is enough of a trend to base your opinion. Face it man. You're not basing your opinion based on facts from the manga. You based your opinion based on how much you like Luffy, and look for any scrap of anything to support it. That's why you keep clinging to "Luffy is physically stronger" and "here's ONE crew out of FORTY where the captain isn't stronger.

That's the difference. Your theory is garbage because you didn't look at the manga and form your opinion, you looked at how much you love Luffy and bias how you look at the manga to fit that narrative, even when there's more against it.

In brute strength, just to name a few....
Vergo>Law
Chu>Usopp
Kalifa>Nami
Yama>Robin
Zoro>Enel
Smoker>Law

It turned out so well for those guys right?

 

[Punk Hazard]

In brute strength, just to name a few....
Vergo>Law
Chu>Usopp
Kalifa>Nami
Yama>Robin
Zoro>Enel
Smoker>Law

Its turned it so well for those guys right?

And there goes the rest of LBeezy's "theory."

 

[LBeezy]

Seriously dude...you're not making any sense.....why should anyone for any logical reason think Luffy can beat a yonkou right now in a 1v1?

Wow wow wow.. get your facts right before you come at me bro.. I've never not once said Luffy is going to beat her 1v1.. this whole time I've said that he will receive help this arc.. (since he's already been receiving help anyway)

Absolutely nothing. Luffy cant stop by himself and there is no reason to think otherwise. Damn.....I think I'm a hater now since I said this.....

You think Big Mom isn't so great or that one of her commanders is stronger/equal because....she is their parent? Luffy>Dragon & Garp. Corazon>Sengoku(still is adopted dad) & Rebecca>Kyros. If your point is that she is a mom aka a woman, then makes you appear sexist. There are good roads for you take dude.....

Lmao. Bruh you just named DADs... FATHERs.. lol I clearly said "Mom" this whole time.. and what's this Yonko's name?? Coincidence? No.

Sexist? Lmao no sir.. I'm just simply stating obvious, scientific facts.. most children surpass their mother in physical strength when in their prime.. is this not true? Answer that question. Is it not true?

If Oda wants to progress the story at a good pace, he can make it to where BM is the weakest Yonko.. simple as that..

It's not the best example. It's the only example. There is no trend here. The actual trend is that the leader of the crew is the strongest. Nothing suggests that Big Mom doesn't fit this trend, and one example out of a group of 40 is not enough to justify thinking Big Mom will break this trend. The chances of Big Mom being the strongest member of her crew is 97.5% to 2.5%, and you think it's sure-fire that she isn't the strongest just because Luffy is involved.

Fanboy.


Are you trying to say that Big Mom can't be the weakest Yonko and the strongest member of her crew at the same time?

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As I said before, the odds of this being true is 2.5% to 97.5%. You have nothing to support this aside from the fact that you just want Luffy to beat a Yonko this arc instead of in a future one. Give it up.



It has nothing to do with her status of Yonko. It has to do with her status over Cracker. Oda has established a trend in the manga of the leader of the crew being the strongest, and only one of them has been an exception. You've got nothing going for you.



Lol you aren't using any facts. You're misusing the status of one crew captain.



I'm denying your theory because the odds are heavily against your favor. I'm denying your theory because you think that an example of ONE out of FORTY is enough of a trend to base your opinion. Face it man. You're not basing your opinion based on facts from the manga. You based your opinion based on how much you like Luffy, and look for any scrap of anything to support it. That's why you keep clinging to "Luffy is physically stronger" and "here's ONE crew out of FORTY where the captain isn't stronger.

That's the difference. Your theory is garbage because you didn't look at the manga and form your opinion, you looked at how much you love Luffy and bias how you look at the manga to fit that narrative, even when there's more against it.

Oh how nice.. out of all those words not ONCE did you use the manga to prove me wrong or prove your point..

While I on the other hand, have manga facts to back up my ideas and theory..

Lol give it up bro..


Stop hating.

In brute strength, just to name a few....
Vergo>Law
Chu>Usopp
Kalifa>Nami
Yama>Robin
Zoro>Enel
Smoker>Law

Its turned it so well for those guys right?

Luffy>Big Mom

Hey Vandenre1ch, let's just see what happens shall we.. we'll find out how this arc ends soon enough bro..

 

[Punk Hazard]

Oh how nice.. out of all those words not ONCE did you use the manga to prove me wrong or prove your point..

So...me using the statistical fact given by the manga...isn't using the manga to prove your point wrong? You really putting the "L" in LBeezy with this one. The MANGA gives us the fact that statistically, there's a 97.5% chance that Big Mom is the strongest person in her crew.

While I on the other hand, have manga facts to back up my ideas and theory..

No, you don't. There is no manga fact that supports that Big Mom isn't the strongest in her crew, while historically, the manga supports that Big Mom is.

Lol give it up bro..


Stop hating.

Lol see? Say Luffy can't beat Big Mom, and you call them a hater again. Just like Dannie and I said.

Luffy>Big Mom

I've never not once said Luffy is going to beat her 1v1

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Hey Vandenre1ch, let's just see what happens shall we.. well find out how this arc ends soon enough bro..

And there's the ***** out.

Funny how he brings up examples of people losing to people with less physical power than them, and you suddenly have no retort.

 

[Dannie]

Lmao, welp. No point in getting through to him.

 

[LBeezy]

So...me using the statistical fact given by the manga...isn't using the manga to prove your point wrong? You really putting the "L" in LBeezy with this one. The MANGA gives us the fact that statistically, there's a 97.5% chance that Big Mom is the strongest person in her crew.

The MANGA gives us the fact that the Captain does not have to be the strongest in the crew.

No, you don't. There is no manga fact that supports that Big Mom isn't the strongest in her crew, while historically, the manga supports that Big Mom is.

@bold

Scan?

Lol see? Say Luffy can't beat Big Mom, and you call them a hater again. Just like Dannie and I said.

I've already defined what a hater is multiple times to you and Dannie.. and well, if the shoe fits...... :bdpf:

And there's the ***** out.

What?

 

[Punk Hazard]

The MANGA gives us the fact that the Captain does not have to be the strongest in the crew.

No, it doesn't. 1/40 isn't enough to support this claim. You'd need other supplementary info to back this up to make it actual proof, and so far, you've presented none of that.

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Scan?

The 39 out of 40 crews where the captain was the strongest member.

I've already defined what a hater is multiple times to you and Dannie.. and well, if the shoe fits...... :bdpf:

I know you think you have.

What?

The cop out. Vandereich brings up like ten examples of people losing to people with more physical strength than them, and all of a sudden, you have nothing to say. You pussied out.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Wow wow wow.. get your facts right before you come at me bro.. I've never not once said Luffy is going to beat her 1v1.. this whole time I've said that he will receive help this arc.. (since he's already been receiving help anyway)



Lmao. Bruh you just named DADs... FATHERs.. lol I clearly said "Mom" this whole time.. and what's this Yonko's name?? Coincidence? No.

Sexist? Lmao no sir.. I'm just simply stating obvious, scientific facts.. most children surpass their mother in physical strength when in their prime.. is this not true? Answer that question. Is it not true?

If Oda wants to progress the story at a good pace, he can make it to where BM is the weakest Yonko.. simple as that..




Oh how nice.. out of all those words not ONCE did you use the manga to prove me wrong or prove your point..

While I on the other hand, have manga facts to back up my ideas and theory..

Lol give it up bro..


Stop hating.




Luffy>Big Mom

Hey Vandenre1ch, let's just see what happens shall we.. we'll find out how this arc ends soon enough bro..

No. WCI is 27 chapters so far. Last month, Oda said WCI is 50% done. So in another 20 chapters, BM & her crew are going to be beaten? How do you know WCI isn't another set up for Wano?

You rely on the completely baseless assumption that BM's sweet commanders are equal or stronger than her, which is completely ridiculous. Might as well say Shanks & BB aren't the strongest in their crew. If you agree with that, you're crazy. You if you disagree, you're biased.

 

[LBeezy]

No. WCI is 27 chapters so far. Last month, Oda said WCI is 50% done. So in another 20 chapters, BM & her crew are going to be beaten? How do you know WCI isn't another set up for Wano?

Bro. WCI isn't the only arc that had something to do with Big Mom.

In fact, her conflict with Luffy started in the FIRST arc of the New World..
Oda has been building this up for a reason..

You rely on the completely baseless assumption that BM's sweet commanders are equal or stronger than her, which is completely ridiculous. Might as well say Shanks & BB aren't the strongest in their crew. If you agree with that, you're crazy. You if you disagree, you're biased.

*Not completely baseless assumption..

I don't see how hard it is for you people to understand... this is MY theory/ideas on what I THINK is going to happen.

Nothing I've said so far has been proven to be wrong or right..

And I'm not claiming my theory as facts.. I'm simply letting facts support it..

You guys are trying to argue with my theory and ideas but the funniest part about it is that you can't debunk it as the story stands now.. only Oda can prove me right or wrong at this point.. and until then you lot sound extremely bitter at my ideas.. lol

Relax..

Is Big Mom your favorite character or something?

I don't see why some of you guys are so upset at my theory ..

 

[Punk Hazard]

Bro. WCI isn't the only arc that had something to do with Big Mom.

In fact, her conflict with Luffy started in the FIRST arc of the New World..
Oda has been building this up for a reason..




*Not completely baseless assumption..

I don't see how hard it is for you people to understand... this is MY theory/ideas on what I THINK is going to happen.

Nothing I've said so far has been proven to be wrong or right..

And I'm not claiming my theory as facts.. I'm simply letting facts support it..

You guys are trying to argue with my theory and ideas but the funniest part about it is that you can't debunk it as the story stands now.. only Oda can prove me right or wrong at this point.. and until then you lot sound extremely bitter at my ideas.. lol

Relax..

Is Big Mom your favorite character or something?

I don't see why some of you guys are so upset at my theory ..

You have yet to use a shred of information from the manga that can be considered factual and supportive of your theory.

Basing your theory that Big Mom isn't the strongest in her crew on the fact that there's one crew where the captain isn't the strongest is like me saying Shanks is one of the weakest characters because of one instance where a Sea King ate his arm. You are ignoring all other pieces of information that eclipse and outweigh the information you're using just because you want Luffy to look good.

 

[LBeezy]

You have yet to use a shred of information from the manga that can be considered factual and supportive of your theory.

Basing your theory that Big Mom isn't the strongest in her crew on the fact that there's one crew where the captain isn't the strongest is like me saying Shanks is one of the weakest characters because of one instance where a Sea King ate his arm. You are ignoring all other pieces of information that eclipse and outweigh the information you're using just because you want Luffy to look good.

I've already stated the information in multiple posts..

You can't prove anything about my theory or ideas wrong with manga facts..

Yet, manga facts support my theory and ideas.. :bdpf:

At this point the only person who can prove me right or wrong is Oda himself..

I'm sorry bro.. don't be mad.. pls..

 

[Punk Hazard]

I've already stated the information in multiple posts..

You can't prove anything about my theory or ideas wrong with manga facts..

Yet, manga facts support my theory and ideas.. :bdpf:

At this point the only person who can prove me right or wrong is Oda himself..

I'm sorry bro.. don't be mad.. pls..

The only information you have stated is

1. "Buggy is captain and not the strongest."

2. "Luffy is physically stronger than Big Mom, so he beats Big Mom."

1. The fact that 39/40 crews display the captain as the strongest is what proves your theory wrong.

2. To borrow from Vandereich:

In brute strength, just to name a few....
Vergo>Law
Chu>Usopp
Kalifa>Nami
Yama>Robin
Zoro>Enel
Smoker>Law

And there goes your theory that Luffy will win because he's physically stronger. And all of that is straight from Oda's writing.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Bro. WCI isn't the only arc that had something to do with Big Mom.

In fact, her conflict with Luffy started in the FIRST arc of the New World..
Oda has been building this up for a reason..




*Not completely baseless assumption..

I don't see how hard it is for you people to understand... this is MY theory/ideas on what I THINK is going to happen.

Nothing I've said so far has been proven to be wrong or right..

And I'm not claiming my theory as facts.. I'm simply letting facts support it..

You guys are trying to argue with my theory and ideas but the funniest part about it is that you can't debunk it as the story stands now.. only Oda can prove me right or wrong at this point.. and until then you lot sound extremely bitter at my ideas.. lol

Relax..

Is Big Mom your favorite character or something?

I don't see why some of you guys are so upset at my theory ..

As a theorist myself, you should stick within the safe boundaries of the story and use baseless assumptions. Your "theory" is just 100% speculation with nothing supporting it.

A LOT of people already think that BM will go down this arc but we don't knwo how. Originally you said Luffy would defeat her without elaborating on how he will do it. To support your thoughts on BM being beaten, you relied on the completely baseless and I dare dumb reasoning that BM is either or weaker to her commanders. To not make this sound ridiculous, you say its because children surpasses their MOM(obviously trying to cling at straws) cause you know if you'd said parents or father, your speculation falls harder.

Seriously man...all of your information is nothing but assumptions not backed from the manga. Everything says BM is on par with BB, Kaido & Shanks. All of your logic comes down to bias & double standards.

 

[LBeezy]

The only information you have stated is

1. "Buggy is captain and not the strongest."

1. If the story of One Piece has a captain that isn't the strongest in the crew, yet still has tons of crew members and followers, that means that it is 100% possible. It means that it is 100% a crew system that exists..

Big Mom even one ups Buggy in this matter due to the majority of her crew being family ties and blood related..
Simply put, it would make even more sense for Big Mom and her crew than Buggy and his crew..

2. "Luffy is physically stronger than Big Mom, so he beats Big Mom."

I never put it like that.. and you know it.

We've had this exact conversation before, and I clearly said that since I believe Luffy will have help against Big Mom, I'm saying that when it comes down to the final blow and when Luffy has his opening and chance to hit her with all he's got, well then,.... Luffy > Big Mom..

GG

1. The fact that 39/40 crews display the captain as the strongest is what proves your theory wrong.

Still proves my point right, by that type of crew existing and being possible..

2. To borrow from Vandereich:

In brute strength, just to name a few....
Vergo>Law
Chu>Usopp
Kalifa>Nami
Yama>Robin
Zoro>Enel
Smoker>Law

And there goes your theory that Luffy will win because he's physically stronger. And all of that is straight from Oda's writing.

When have I said that I think it will be only Luffy vs Big Mom 1v1?

Please tell me..

Oh that's right, I didnt..

As a theorist myself, you should stick within the safe boundaries of the story and use baseless assumptions. Your "theory" is just 100% speculation with nothing supporting it.

Wrong.

I have actual manga facts supporting my theory and ideas..

While you on the other hand, can't even come up with one manga scan to prove me wrong or back up your argument..

A LOT of people already think that BM will go down this arc but we don't knwo how. Originally you said Luffy would defeat her without elaborating on how he will do it.

I hope you're not going off what has only been posted in this thread.. if so, then I understand why you may be so misinformed.. I've been having this conversation with Riker and others in multiple threads.. I've clearly stated that I'm not sure what Oda has planned for the grand scheme of things when it comes to the fight with Big Mom.. because I'm not even sure if he may surprise us with any "guests" or anything.. and I'm not sure if Brook and his DF abilities are going to play a huge role or not.. all I'm saying is that Luffy will get his chance and opening to physically go all out and kick her ass for sure at some point.

To support your thoughts on BM being beaten, you relied on the completely baseless and I dare dumb reasoning that BM is either or weaker to her commanders.

I'm not "relying" on this.. this has just been my rebuttal to all of the people saying "But Luffy had a hard time with Cracker.. there's no way he can beat Big Mom."

I've just been saying to those people, "the captain isn't always necessarily the strongest in the crew."

To not make this sound ridiculous, you say its because children surpasses their MOM(obviously trying to cling at straws) cause you know if you'd said parents or father, your speculation falls harder.

No one, and I mean NO ONE has been able to deny this though.. most children surpass their mother in physical strength when in their prime.. this is pretty normal.. and since Big Mom is the only Yonko who is a mother with a whole bunch of children, Oda can easily make it to where a couple of her kids are straight up beasts and are either stronger or at least on the same level as Big Mom herself..

This is something that makes sense..

And no one, no Riker, no Vandenre1ch, no one, has been able to give me a solid reason as to why this isn't possible..

(Notice how I'm not saying this is a fact.. I'm just saying that it's possible.. you guys being too close minded though, are trying to debate against it, yet you have nothing to back yourselves up.. nothing.. lol its hilarious.)

Seriously man...all of your information is nothing but assumptions not backed from the manga. Everything says BM is on par with BB, Kaido & Shanks. All of your logic comes down to bias & double standards.

Actually it is backed from the manga.. read above..

You say BM is on par with BB, Kaido and Shanks.. okay.. If we're speaking on terms of what it means to be a Yonko then I agree.. if we're speaking on physical strength and fighting abilities, then I may want to disagree.

 

[Punk Hazard]

1. If the story of One Piece has a captain that isn't the strongest in the crew, yet still has tons of crew members and followers, that means that it is 100% possible. It means that it is 100% a crew system that exists..

It's actually only 2.5% possible. And that's far too low to be used as evidence. Again, if you wanna go based on statistics, then 97.5% odds are that Big Mom is stronger. So what else do you have aside from Buggy to support your claim?

Big Mom even one ups Buggy in this matter due to the majority of her crew being family ties and blood related..
Simply put, it would make even more sense for Big Mom and her crew than Buggy and his crew..

No it wouldn't. I don't know where you got this argument from, but children aren't always stronger than their parents. This is completely baseless and ridiculous.

I never put it like that.. and you know it.

We've had this exact conversation before, and I clearly said that since I believe Luffy will have help against Big Mom, I'm saying that when it comes down to the final blow and when Luffy has his opening and chance to hit her with all he's got, well then,.... Luffy > Big Mom..

What stupid shit are you saying fam? "Luffy>Big Mom because when he deals the final blow after she's beaten up by other people, she'll be knocked out."

Usopp>Shanks then because if Shanks gets beaten up by Akainu and Whitebeard in a 2 vs 1 to an inch of his life, Usopp's ultimate attack can finish him off.

That's how your claim sounds.

Still proves my point right, by that type of crew existing and being possible..

You really need to take a course on statistics.

When have I said that I think it will be only Luffy vs Big Mom 1v1?

Please tell me..

Oh that's right, I didnt..

Literally quoted above where you said "Luffy>Big Mom." Multiple times. Because he's physically stronger. The fact that you're arguing so hard that "Big Mom can be weaker than Cracker" shows that how desperate you are for your true love to be stronger than Big Mom.

Wrong.

I have actual manga facts supporting my theory and ideas..

While you on the other hand, can't even come up with one manga scan to prove me wrong or back up your argument..

There are zero indications in the manga that support your point. 97.5>>>2.5, so the manga supports my claim faaar more than it does yours.

I hope you're not going off what has only been posted in this thread.. if so, then I understand why you may be so misinformed.. I've been having this conversation with Riker and others in multiple threads.. I've clearly stated that I'm not sure what Oda has planned for the grand scheme of things when it comes to the fight with Big Mom.. because I'm not even sure if he may surprise us with any "guests" or anything.. and I'm not sure if Brook and his DF abilities are going to play a huge role or not.. all I'm saying is that Luffy will get his chance and opening to physically go all out and kick her ass for sure at some point.

Edit: if you believe that Luffy is too weak to beat Big Mom, then that's your fault.. and another reason why you sound like a hater on Luffy..

Luffy>Big Mom

I'm not "relying" on this.. this has just been my rebuttal to all of the people saying "But Luffy had a hard time with Cracker.. there's no way he can beat Big Mom."

AKA you're relying on it, since that's the only bit of "evidence" you can offer.

I've just been saying to those people, "the captain isn't always necessarily the strongest in the crew."

Yes. They are. Because we have 39 examples to your 1.

No one, and I mean NO ONE has been able to deny this though.. most children surpass their mother in physical strength when in their prime..

Are you stupid bro? You're basing how Big Mom, a woman that can take people's souls, breathe life into inanimate objects, control fire and lightning, throw buildings, crush the ground, and is as big as a building, to real life people? That's the basis of your argument about the woman who brings her food to life and can shoot lightning from her fist, that people in real life get stronger than their mothers?

And no one, no Riker, no Vandenre1ch, no one, has been able to give me a solid reason as to why this isn't possible..

No one said it's impossible, we said that the evidence towards Big Mom being stronger than Cracker outweighs that of Cracker being stronger exponentially. The chances of Big Mom being weaker than Cracker are far too small to be taken seriously

You say BM is on par with BB, Kaido and Shanks.. okay.. If we're speaking on terms of what it means to be a Yonko then I agree.. if we're speaking on physical strength and fighting abilities, then I may want to disagree.

LMAO at you STILL clinging to physical strength. Luffy also had better physical strength feats than Aokiji pre-skip, look what happened to him every time he tried to fight him.

Luffy and Zoro both had better feats than Kuma. That's why they defeated him at Sabaody and escaped as a crew, right?

 

[LBeezy]

It's actually only 2.5% possible. And that's far too low to be used as evidence. Again, if you wanna go based on statistics, then 97.5% odds are that Big Mom is stronger. So what else do you have aside from Buggy to support your claim?

It's a crew system that exists in the world of One Piece tho.. so it's not impossible..

It's 100% something that exists..

No it wouldn't. I don't know where you got this argument from, but children aren't always stronger than their parents. This is completely baseless and ridiculous.


What stupid shit are you saying fam? "Luffy>Big Mom because when he deals the final blow after she's beaten up by other people, she'll be knocked out."

Usopp>Shanks then because if Shanks gets beaten up by Akainu and Whitebeard in a 2 vs 1 to an inch of his life, Usopp's ultimate attack can finish him off.

That's how your claim sounds.

Mfw what you're comparing isn't even remotely close to the same thing and you know it.. lol

Especially when I'm not saying that Luffy is going to attack her when she's at "an inch of her life"..

You really need to take a course on statistics.


Literally quoted above where you said "Luffy>Big Mom." Multiple times. Because he's physically stronger. The fact that you're arguing so hard that "Big Mom can be weaker than Cracker" shows that how desperate you are for your true love to be stronger than Big Mom.

Lol you sound like such a hater bro.. pls don't hate.. it's not good for you..

There are zero indications in the manga that support your point. 97.5>>>2.5, so the manga supports my claim faaar more than it does yours.


AKA you're relying on it, since that's the only bit of "evidence" you can offer.

Yes. They are. Because we have 39 examples to your 1.


Are you stupid bro? You're basing how Big Mom, a woman that can take people's souls, breathe life into inanimate objects, control fire and lightning, throw buildings, crush the ground, and is as big as a building, to real life people? That's the basis of your argument about the woman who brings her food to life and can shoot lightning from her fist, that people in real life get stronger than their mothers?

Fail.

No one said it's impossible, we said that the evidence towards Big Mom being stronger than Cracker outweighs that of Cracker being stronger exponentially. The chances of Big Mom being weaker than Cracker are far too small to be taken seriously

She doesn't have to be weaker.. that's only one possibility.. they can be equal or around the same tier..

 

[Dannie]

How can someone be stronger than a character when they receive help to defeat said character?

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's a crew system that exists in the world of One Piece tho.. so it's not impossible..

It's 100% something that exists..

But 97.5% likely to never be repeated again. Your sole reason of clinging to that is because Luffy is involved.

Mfw what you're comparing isn't even remotely close to the same thing and you know it.. lol

Especially when I'm not saying that Luffy is going to attack her when she's at "an inch of her life"..

That's exactly what you're saying. You're taking a very small exception to a concept, and using that to say that your theory is more viable than the vast majority of odds that show the opposite is true.

You're saying "Luffy>Big Mom" because he's going to knock out a weakened version of her. Fun fact fam, if Luffy needs outside help to weaken Big Mom enough to knock her out, then Big Mom>Luffy.

Fail.



She doesn't have to be weaker.. that's only one possibility.. they can be equal or around the same tier..

Dannie was right, you are a clown.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

It's a crew system that exists in the world of One Piece tho.. so it's not impossible..

It's 100% something that exists..




Mfw what you're comparing isn't even remotely close to the same thing and you know it.. lol

Especially when I'm not saying that Luffy is going to attack her when she's at "an inch of her life"..



Lol you sound like such a hater bro.. pls don't hate.. it's not good for you..





Fail.



She doesn't have to be weaker.. that's only one possibility.. they can be equal or around the same tier..

I'm tempted to post this thread on other forums and watch the members tear you apart. This is so ridiculous.....I'm being 100% honest when I say that I've never thought of the possibility of me having to debate with something that thinks a yonkou is weaker than her subordinates because she's a woman/reasons....

Once again, there is nothing backed by the manga. You have one little example of Buggy who we saw recruit people stronger than him and cling to that to say a yonkou is weaker than her subordinates. Your logic makes no sense and its so obvious that you are pulling things out of the air. You even tossed aside all of those examples of people who better physical strength & capabilities losing.