[Discussion] Sabo vs pre ts Blackbeard

[VongolaX]

Scenario 1: Sabo wins
Scenario 2: Blackbeard wins U_U.

This exactly, that fruit is doing him more harm than good at this moment.

 

[kageking]

Sabo is a haki beast plus he didnt have a df at the time he could beat BB with relative ease.

Not seeing your point...BB was strong enough to beat ace, ace was strong enough to fight on par with aokiji ( who was able to fight akainu ), why would sabo be able to beat BB? Eve. If he is a haki beast, who's to say BB can't handle that? It seems like a pretty massive assumption to say " sabo has strong haki therefore he beats BB".

 

[Zorø]

Not seeing your point...BB was strong enough to beat ace, ace was strong enough to fight on par with aokiji ( who was able to fight akainu ), why would sabo be able to beat BB? Eve. If he is a haki beast, who's to say BB can't handle that? It seems like a pretty massive assumption to say " sabo has strong haki therefore he beats BB".

My point is that Sabo would win in scenario 1 because he didnt have a df and he has better haki than ace. And ace never fought on par with aokiji his ability was only superior to Aokijis thats why they stalemated if the fight went on ace wouldve got one shotted like he did against akainu.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

I would say that BB wins both scenarios.

While I see Pre Mera Mera Sabo >> Pre TS Sabo > Ace and Ace give pretty good fight to Yami Teach, Yami Teach only used his df powers and not his base skills. Alone with his base skills he is on commander level and he was able to give scar to future Yonko. By feats BB showed, Sabo wins, but by my estimation BB wins.

Pretty much same as above. By feast Sabo wins, but by hype BB wins. Pretty same scenrio as above, just with more power that thas yet to be mastered.

 

[-Akuma-]

I would say that BB wins both scenarios.

While I see Pre Mera Mera Sabo >> Pre TS Sabo > Ace and Ace give pretty good fight to Yami Teach, Yami Teach only used his df powers and not his base skills. Alone with his base skills he is on commander level and he was able to give scar to future Yonko. By feats BB showed, Sabo wins, but by my estimation BB wins.

Pretty much same as above. By feast Sabo wins, but by hype BB wins. Pretty same scenrio as above, just with more power that thas yet to be mastered.

That's lame reasoning. There is no such things a 'commander level' we've seen commanders such as Marco near Admiral, and other commander who were fodder to DD. Yami teach base skill are as good as Ace's possibily better but not by alot. Again we don't know how strong Shanks was, that's like saying Hody is really strong for injuring the future PK.