[VS] sabo vs marco

[ToshiZO]

It means absolutely nothing when the world's strongest man is going all out in a war and is pissed off and is fighting against three of the world's strongest fighters and neglects to name a single attack. If Luffy does a random kick with Gear 2 and doesn't give it a name, it's not gonna be weaker than if he gives a kick with a name. "Oh I'm speaking while delivering this attack, so it's stronger than that one I put the same effort in while in the same mode with the same body part but I DID speak while doing it."

Did you not read my post...some characters don't name their attacks the ones that do generally name their stronger attacks. Luffy hardly ever throws an unnamed attack so what I do know is if he ever does, than that attack must be garbage since even his weakest attacks are named, or its just a sign of disrespect. Named attacks signify training/practice/experience with an attack, thus they tend to be stronger.

For example when Kuzan froze Doflamingo he didn't say a word, its generally agreed that was one of his weakest freeze jobs where he went for speed over quality.

When Zoro sent that little tickle of a cut on Monet did he name it? No because it was trash, his second cut was a legitimate attack. So point stands characters who name pretty much all their attacks when they don't name one its usually trash or a sign of

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[OG sama]

Cuz it was a push, the kick itself was blocked by Kizaru, though yeah he wouldn't really be hurt just saying he used his df powers like Marco used his
We never saw how Marco's kick affected Aokiji so we cannot know if it hurt him or not, Jozu made Aokiji bleed but when we see him again he had no blood in his face

Just checked it, even doe it makes no sense you're right u_u

Just like fighting the admirals wasn't his main purpose

You talk about Garp bypassing his regen and then you generalize it to the admirals when none of them actually did it when they had a chance (Akainu really wanted to kill Luffy I don't see why he wouldn't use his full power when he faced Marco)

And even if they bypassed his regen the effects would be nothing like the actual strenght of the attack, he managed regen most of Garp's punch and Kizaru's strongest attack till now couldn't do shit so until they manage to completely bypass his regen it would take a shit ton of time

Aokiji wiped the blood away that's why it was gone.

Marco had no reason to hold back, if your implying Marco did hold back then you might as well say Marco let Ace die and its his fault because if he had the power to beat the Admirals then why didn't he? You can try to bring up the Admirals and say they weren't holding back, but then you would have to explain why MF wasn't burned to the ground. If Akainu vs Aokiji can permanently change the landscape of an island. Imagine what 3 Admirals going all out on one island would do, did any of that happen on MF? The Admirals holding back should be obvious.

Garp looked pretty mad, whereas Kizaru and Aokiji just acted nonchalant the whole war. If they got serious you bet they would have bypassed it.

Exactly its all because of his regen, he has good defense with no offense.

 

[Tobi98]

Aokiji wiped the blood away that's why it was gone.

Marco had no reason to hold back, if your implying Marco did hold back then you might as well say Marco let Ace die and its his fault because if he had the power to beat the Admirals then why didn't he? You can try to bring up the Admirals and say they weren't holding back, but then you would have to explain why MF wasn't burned to the ground. If Akainu vs Aokiji can permanently change the landscape of an island. Imagine what 3 Admirals going all out on one island would do, did any of that happen on MF? The Admirals holding back should be obvious.

Garp looked pretty mad, whereas Kizaru and Aokiji just acted nonchalant the whole war. If they got serious you bet they would have bypassed it.

Exactly its all because of his regen, he has good defense with no offense.

Yeah that's what I'm saying, Marco's kick could've and could have not done effect, there's no way of saying

And you really think Akainu would go easy on anyone too? He trying to kill Luffy and Marco was still like a wall to him

 

[OG sama]

Yeah that's what I'm saying, Marco's kick could've and could have not done effect, there's no way of saying

And you really think Akainu would go easy on anyone too? He trying to kill Luffy and Marco was still like a wall to him

He didn't need to use all of his power to capture Luffy. If it were not for Shanks, Luffy wouldn't have escaped Marineford and Akainu would have killed Luffy. Shanks arriving at Marineford gave Luffy that chance to escape.

I agree with the Marco part it could have or it could not, +rep for a good debate. No point in dragging this out further.

 

[arv993]

Admirals on average are weaker than yonko. Some of the ppl on the base think akainu is on wb level. Wb was hurt beyond belief when he faced him and still with a upper hand, it was not a fresh old wb that faced shanks. Shanks was given the portrayal of splitting the sky with wb that's how oda portrays an equal not the way akainu was fighting. He was matching him at some points but it wasn't the same scale akainu is weaker without a doubt. Shanks, wb and Kaido are the strongest I'll hold out on big mam till we see more info and hype. Admirals aren't the pinnacle of power it is the yonko then the admirals, akainu was never hyped like Kaido as well and from his performance against a near dead wb he is without a doubt a one of the strongest top tier but no wb level or ppl like shanks and Kaido. And akainu also tried use and successfully back stabbed wb with squardo, ppl brush aside all that damage and still act like they are equal WRONG. akainu if he was the same level would have tried to take him down like Garp or sengoku would do with their counterparts. Oda couldn't be clearer when two ppl aren't of the same level.

And some of u are idiotic to think aokiji and Kizaru are holding back they aren't stronger than what's portrayed already, they couldn't beat Marco and it's fair enough to put him on their tier. Kizaru used some of his best attacks to hit wb and Marco easily stopped it. And he had to use underhanded tactics to try to win, if he was so strong he would have not needed to do that against Marco.

 

[The Great Second Hokage]

Marco Wins sorry not sorry

 

[OG sama]

Because manhandling someone means you're yelling at the top of your lungs and struggling to block an attack.

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People make it seem like Sabo was getting wrecked when he had like a couple minor scratches on him , and say Fujitora wasn't trying yet hes sending meteors and named attacks at him.

@KingHashirama

It's best you read Marineford carefully, you'll notice WB was too sick to actually fight a legitimate top tier for too long.


Lol and thats exactly what Marco was doing....moving. I think you forgot he was in a war lol. Either way you said if Admirals sent stronger attacks at him he wouldn't be able to regen or something but then you realize Kizaru sent his best

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featwise at Marco and he couldn't hurt him at all (not to mention he was aiming at WB so its obvious that was one of his best attacks).

Oh crap you right...

But how did Garps generic(obviously not his strongest) punch manage to nearly bypass Marcos regen in his phoenix form whereas Kizarus attacks didn't do anything?

Maybe physical attacks work better on Marco? This still doesn't change my mind about him though as he hasn't shown the offensive Power to hurt the admirals only the defense to stall one.

Nor has he shown the defensive power without his regen to be on their level, two laser beams to the chest is his max. That still doesn't compare to other high level attacks from the admirals, realize how all the really powerful attacks were negated via his regen. Can he do that without it? I think not.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Oh crap you right...

But how did Garps generic(obviously not his strongest) punch manage to nearly bypass Marcos regen in his phoenix form whereas Kizarus attacks didn't do anything?

Maybe physical attacks work better on Marco? This still doesn't change my mind about him though as he hasn't shown the offensive Power to hurt the admirals only the defense to stall one.

Nor has he shown the defensive power without his regen to be on their level, two laser beams to the chest is his max. That still doesn't compare to other high level attacks from the admirals, realize how all the really powerful attacks were negated via his regen. Can he do that without it? I think not.

What?? It's a punch, the strength behind it is dependent on how much effort Garp puts behind it. Garp can infuse Haki into his fist and do massive damage with those plain ol' punches. That's how Garp fights, he just punches with Haki. Garp bypassed Marco's regeneration because he used Haki, meaning he struck the flesh form underneath the phoenix form. The same doesn't apply for the Yasaka no Magatama since there was obviously no Haki involved.

 

[OG sama]

What?? It's a punch, the strength behind it is dependent on how much effort Garp puts behind it. Garp can infuse Haki into his fist and do massive damage with those plain ol' punches. That's how Garp fights, he just punches with Haki. Garp bypassed Marco's regeneration because he used Haki, meaning he struck the flesh form underneath the phoenix form. The same doesn't apply for the Yasaka no Magatama since there was obviously no Haki involved.

If all it takes to harm Marco is haki infused attacks, then how is his fruit not useless and why is he so overrated if the reason the admirals couldn't harm him was because they never attacked him using haki?

If this is the case then how is Marcos performance any different from a generic logia arriving at the battle of Marineford and tanking attacks from Admirals simply because they never used Haki?

 

[Punk Hazard]

So how would the Admirals deal with Marco? They don't seem to specialize in fighting with there fist like Garp does.

If all it takes to harm Marco is haki infused attacks, then how is his fruit not useless and why is he so overrated if the reason the admirals couldn't harm him was because they never attacked him using haki?

By actually infusing Haki into the attack.

It doesn't just take Haki to harm Marco, it takes Haki and sufficient strength. Besides, we haven't really seen Marco at his best yet. He is still named separately from the rest of the WB pirates, especially so when they were listing people that can stop Teach. They named Marco in the same light as the Yonko, it's obvious Marco is worth his salt.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

What?? It's a punch, the strength behind it is dependent on how much effort Garp puts behind it. Garp can infuse Haki into his fist and do massive damage with those plain ol' punches. That's how Garp fights, he just punches with Haki. Garp bypassed Marco's regeneration because he used Haki, meaning he struck the flesh form underneath the phoenix form. The same doesn't apply for the Yasaka no Magatama since there was obviously no Haki involved.

What makes you think Kizaru's attack can't have Haki in it?

 

[OG sama]

By actually infusing Haki into the attack.

It doesn't just take Haki to harm Marco, it takes Haki and sufficient strength. Besides, we haven't really seen Marco at his best yet. He is still named separately from the rest of the WB pirates, especially so when they were listing people that can stop Teach. They named Marco in the same light as the Yonko, it's obvious Marco is worth his salt.

I dont think Marco can beat pre skip Teach with gura. He along with the WB commanders were listed as maybes. The fact that Blackbeard is a Yonko and has been one for two years whereas Marco hasn't even tried regaining WBs territory when they easily could have two years ago when would have been weaker proves this.

I don't see how his feats at MF put him on a level above Sabo, Doflamingo, or G4 Luffy. Not getting killed by one punch from Garp and being listed as a possibility in taking down Teach aren't enough.

 

[Punk Hazard]

What makes you think Kizaru's attack can't have Haki in it?

I said didn't, not can't.

 

[Tobi98]

tbh Garp managing to bypass Marco's regen makes no sense unless he managed to exert his haki on Marco even after he punched (a combination of armament and conqueror haki maybe?)

 

[-Akuma-]

tbh Garp managing to bypass Marco's regen makes no sense unless he managed to exert his haki on Marco even after he punched (a combination of armament and conqueror haki maybe?)

Or the damage his punch done was more than he could re gen.

 

[Tobi98]

Or the damage his punch done was more than he could re gen.

Regeneration is his df power, it doesn't make sense that after the haki punch his df power stopped working

That's like a non haki infused punch being so strong that it bypasses Luffy's rubber like properties

 

[Punk Hazard]

tbh Garp managing to bypass Marco's regen makes no sense unless he managed to exert his haki on Marco even after he punched (a combination of armament and conqueror haki maybe?)

Haki strikes the body underneath the protection. Marco's flesh doesn't regenerate, his Phoenix form does. Haki let Garp hit his flesh/true form underneath the Phoenix transformation.

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[Tobi98]

Haki strikes the body underneath the protection. Marco's flesh doesn't regenerate, his Phoenix form does. Haki let Garp hit his flesh/true form underneath the Phoenix transformation.

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Then what would be the difference between him and logia? I'm pretty sure his power is whenever he gets hurt (with or without haki infused attacks) by turning his wounds into blue fire, cuz that's how it was implied in the manga, the 3 times he was attacked

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(He got hit by Kizaru while in human form and then started regenerating)

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(after he mr 3 took his handcuffs off he regenerated every wound)

Unless you mean it was cuz he was in his phoenix form when he got hit, which maybe it can be :\