[VS] sabo vs marco

[KingHashirama]

Whipping on Akainu? Whitebeard was in no way whipping on Akainu. The anime version has you overrating the **** out of Newgate.

That could be the case.


Gonna reread that entire arc.

Akainu was jumped by WB and still destroyed half his face...

And the old man was still standing. And then it took BB's crew to put him down no?


Anywho, the discussion was on the fact even top tiers go stronger as time goes, unless they are declining from their prime.

Akainu is probably at his prime right now. And is 100% likely stronger than he was pre-timeskip.

 

[Tobi98]

Not to mention fight all of his commanders minus two, Crocodile and dozens of pirates and leave without a single scratch. Either the best members of WB's crew are all pushovers, or WB didn't do nearly as much damage to Akainu as people like to think

Well he also had fodder marines backing him up so it was more of an all out fight between marines and pirates but yeah people like to underrate the shit out of Akainu in his fight with WB just cuz in the anime he could only touch his moustache

 

[Bogard]

Marco with probably some variations of high difficulty. He simply has better feats, hype and portrayal as well as standing in this manga at the moment at least since Sabo will grow stronger

 

[Punk Hazard]

Well he also had fodder marines backing him up so it was more of an all out fight between marines and pirates but yeah people like to underrate the shit out of Akainu in his fight with WB just cuz in the anime he could only touch his moustache

There weren't any Marines with Akainu at that point when he slammed into the others at point blank range

 

[OG sama]

And did Kizaru or any admiral alone actually do any damage against Marco?

They couldn't do crap because he can regenerate from any damage he takes. If the Admirals really cared about Marco specifically they would have bypassed his regen like Garp did.

Marco had the advantage of having a fruit that allows him to regenerate from any amount of damage he takes and yet still he never gave any of the admirals a scratch on his own.

 

[Tobi98]

They couldn't do crap because he can regenerate from any damage he takes. If the Admirals really cared about Marco specifically they would have bypassed his regen like Garp did.

Marco had the advantage of having a fruit that allows him to regenerate from any amount of damage he takes and yet still he never gave any of the admirals a scratch on his own.

The only time Marco regenerated in the war was when he purposely took Kizaru's attack to protect WB, when he got jumped by Garp (and Garp didn't completely bypass his regeneration or his punch would've K.O'd him, Marco was pretty much fine after getting hit) and when Kizaru attacked him when he was running to help WB

No Admiral managed to even scratch Marco in a 1 on 1 fight just like Marco couldn't hurt any Admircal in a 1 on 1 fight, so why does that make Marco weaker than them again?

 

[lelerskates]

Except Sabo was full of scratches wereas Fuji was not, Sabo was panting whereas Fuji was not. So Sabo was much more serious and still getting smashed. No panels showcase him getting smashed, but the panels of how they look after the fight is all I need to prove my point.

You didn't prove anything. You keep typing things and didn't post any proof. Scratches from what? Nothing hit him. First you ssay he got manhandled and then you say no panels showcase him getting smashed. So you contradict yourself and lose all credibility and expect me to believe you by saying "i proved my point" without actually showing anything? lol, go take a lesson in debating.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You didn't prove anything. You keep typing things and didn't post any proof. Scratches from what? Nothing hit him. First you ssay he got manhandled and then you say no panels showcase him getting smashed. So you contradict yourself and lose all credibility and expect me to believe you by saying "i proved my point" without actually showing anything? lol, go take a lesson in debating.

Sabo entered the fight clean of scratches.
Fujitora entered the fight clean of scratches.
Panels that appeared showed Sabo trying hard, and Fujitora holding back.
Sabo left with scratches. Fuji did not.

It's not rocket science, Sabo was weaker than Fuji and couldn't push him.

 

[OG sama]

The only time Marco regenerated in the war was when he purposely took Kizaru's attack to protect WB, when he got jumped by Garp (and Garp didn't completely bypass his regeneration or his punch would've K.O'd him, Marco was pretty much fine after getting hit) and when Kizaru attacked him when he was running to help WB

No Admiral managed to even scratch Marco in a 1 on 1 fight just like Marco couldn't hurt any Admircal in a 1 on 1 fight, so why does that make Marco weaker than them again?

Yeah he resisted most of Garps punch due to his regen. Marco was hurt by kizarus lasers, they weren't tanked. If he can barely take two laser beams to the chest from Kizaru then Kizarus or any other admirals higher attacks are doing much worse.

He used his regen the whole war, there wasn't just one instance. The only time he didn't use it was the protecting WB incident, and he was completely distracted. He's clearly completely reliant on his DF.

 

[Tobi98]

Yeah he resisted most of Garps punch due to his regen. Marco was hurt by kizarus lasers, they weren't tanked. If he can barely take two laser beams to the chest from Kizaru then Kizarus or any other admirals higher attacks are doing much worse.

He used his regen the whole war, there wasn't just one instance. The only time he didn't use it was the protecting WB incident, and he was completely distracted. He's clearly completely reliant on his DF.

The reason Kizaru didn't get hurt was cuz he turned into light before hitting the ground, regen is part of his power just like Kizaru turning into light is part of his power so it doesn't matter

"Completely reliant of his DF"
The dude was with a sea stone handcuff (you've already seen what happens to Luffy when he touches sea stone) and with 2 holes in his body from Kizaru's lazer (1 of them alone took Supernovas down) and was still standiing, that shows stamina

And still doesn't change the fact when he faced Akainu and Kizaru in a 1 on 1 fight they didn't manage to scratch him

 

[OG sama]

The reason Kizaru didn't get hurt was cuz he turned into light before hitting the ground, regen is part of his power just like Kizaru turning into light is part of his power so it doesn't matter

"Completely reliant of his DF"
The dude was with a sea stone handcuff (you've already seen what happens to Luffy when he touches sea stone) and with 2 holes in his body from Kizaru's lazer (1 of them alone took Supernovas down) and was still standiing, that shows stamina

And still doesn't change the fact when he faced Akainu and Kizaru in a 1 on 1 fight they didn't manage to scratch him

No Kizaru didn't get hurt because the attack didn't hurt him. And whos to say Kizaru didn't hit the ground? When Marco kicked him there was a big light and we see Kizaru completely unscathed. But for the sake of argument what difference would it have made if Kizaru hit the ground or not? Marco bypassed his intangibility so if the attack was really suppose to harm Kizaru it wouldn't have been because of the ground but because of Marcos kick. Instead Kizaru is completely unscathed.

The guy wasn't hit with seastone he was cuffed by it. DF users only show harm by sea stone if they directly touch it, being cuffed in it isn't the same. They just cant use their powers, like when they touch it its like they get tired.

Pre skip nova's, I doubt they would be one shot by an Admiral after TS.

Using his regen yes, the Admirals were capable of harming Marco but Marco wasn't capable of harming them. This is obvious as Marco was clearly affected by those lasers. Whereas, what damage did Marco do to an Admiral at any point during the war?

 

[Apêx1]

You didn't prove anything. You keep typing things and didn't post any proof. Scratches from what? Nothing hit him. First you ssay he got manhandled and then you say no panels showcase him getting smashed. So you contradict yourself and lose all credibility and expect me to believe you by saying "i proved my point" without actually showing anything? lol, go take a lesson in debating.

Are you trolling or just mentally retarded? Why should I bother bringing you scans? Why don't you just increase your reading comprehension skills so that when something like this occurs in the manga, you can actually understand and remember it for future reference. Me contradicting myself for not being able to give evidence of something which we didn't see but is implicative, goes to show how much of an idiot you really are.

 

[Tobi98]

No Kizaru didn't get hurt because the attack didn't hurt him. And whos to say Kizaru didn't hit the ground? When Marco kicked him there was a big light and we see Kizaru completely unscathed. But for the sake of argument what difference would it have made if Kizaru hit the ground or not? Marco bypassed his intangibility so if the attack was really suppose to harm Kizaru it wouldn't have been because of the ground but because of Marcos kick. Instead Kizaru is completely unscathed.

The guy wasn't hit with seastone he was cuffed by it. DF users only show harm by sea stone if they directly touch it, being cuffed in it isn't the same. They just cant use their powers, like when they touch it its like they get tired.

Pre skip nova's, I doubt they would be one shot by an Admiral after TS.

Using his regen yes, the Admirals were capable of harming Marco but Marco wasn't capable of harming them. This is obvious as Marco was clearly affected by those lasers. Whereas, what damage did Marco do to an Admiral at any point during the war?

Kizaru blocked the kick and then Marco pushed him so yes turning into light helped from feeling the impact of hitting the ground

Huh if he was coughed by it then he was touching the sea stone as well...

Doesn't change the fact he tanked it while being cuffed with a sea stone handcuff

The only times they hit him was when he was caught off guard just like Jozu made Aokiji bleed when he was caught off guard, he fought Akainu and Kizaru, he didn't hurt them and they didn't hurt him so there's nothing that says he's weaker and there's nothing that says he's stronger, I don't see what's so hard to understand...

 

[OG sama]

Kizaru blocked the kick and then Marco pushed him so yes turning into light helped from feeling the impact of hitting the ground

Huh if he was coughed by it then he was touching the sea stone as well...

Doesn't change the fact he tanked it while being cuffed with a sea stone handcuff

The only times they hit him was when he was caught off guard just like Jozu made Aokiji bleed when he was caught off guard, he fought Akainu and Kizaru, he didn't hurt them and they didn't hurt him so there's nothing that says he's weaker and there's nothing that says he's stronger, I don't see what's so hard to understand...

You still haven't proven the kick hurt him, the fall isn't doing anything if Marcos kick didn't do any thing. Marco landed a clean kick on Aokiji and the kick never seemed to hurt him either.

I don't get why you make it seem like some big deal, the cuffs dont allow him to touch the sea stone because his hands are bound. Its only there because if someone else tries getting them off it wont work unless they have a key or are not a DF user. Don't you get what I'm saying? The cuffs don't weaken Marco but simply nullifies his ability to use his fruit, remember Punk hazard whenever Luffy tried moving his body in the sea stone cuffs he would get weak, but if he did nothing he would just be bound? Its the same thing.

The Admirals weren't focused specifically on Marco. If Marco was their only target the admirals would have bypassed his regen, Garp gave Marco a stay back punch and nearly bypassed his regen, if he wanted to seriously fight Marco he would have completely bypassed it and that goes for the Admirals as well.

 

[ToshiZO]

Because manhandling someone means you're yelling at the top of your lungs and struggling to block an attack.

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People make it seem like Sabo was getting wrecked when he had like a couple minor scratches on him , and say Fujitora wasn't trying yet hes sending meteors and named attacks at him.

@KingHashirama

It's best you read Marineford carefully, you'll notice WB was too sick to actually fight a legitimate top tier for too long.

I don't get why you make it seem like some big deal, the cuffs dont allow him to touch the sea stone because his hands are bound. Its only there because if someone else tries getting them off it wont work unless they have a key or are not a DF user. Don't you get what I'm saying? The cuffs don't weaken Marco but simply nullifies his ability to use his fruit, remember Punk hazard whenever Luffy tried moving his body in the sea stone cuffs he would get weak, but if he did nothing he would just be bound? Its the same thing.

Lol and thats exactly what Marco was doing....moving. I think you forgot he was in a war lol. Either way you said if Admirals sent stronger attacks at him he wouldn't be able to regen or something but then you realize Kizaru sent his best

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featwise at Marco and he couldn't hurt him at all (not to mention he was aiming at WB so its obvious that was one of his best attacks).

 

[-Akuma-]

Ni**as acting like Sabo got knocked the **** out fighting against Fujitora.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Wait, wait, wait. Only because I've seen this argument made twice now: You guys realize an attack having a name doesn't mean a thing? It's just a trope for manga. Jet Pistol is literally just a punch. Flambage Shot is literally just Sanji kicking you towards the ground while his leg is coated in fire. Whitebeard didn't use a SINGLE named attack in his entire run in the manga, but I guess that means that while fighting Admirals and doing his best to sink Marineford after becoming completely pissed off, Whitebeard was just holding back all the way and keeping his REAL techniques for all the fighting he's gonna be doing in the afterlife against people he REALLY wants to kill.

 

[Tobi98]

You still haven't proven the kick hurt him, the fall isn't doing anything if Marcos kick didn't do any thing. Marco landed a clean kick on Aokiji and the kick never seemed to hurt him either.

I don't get why you make it seem like some big deal, the cuffs dont allow him to touch the sea stone because his hands are bound. Its only there because if someone else tries getting them off it wont work unless they have a key or are not a DF user. Don't you get what I'm saying? The cuffs don't weaken Marco but simply nullifies his ability to use his fruit, remember Punk hazard whenever Luffy tried moving his body in the sea stone cuffs he would get weak, but if he did nothing he would just be bound? Its the same thing.

The Admirals weren't focused specifically on Marco. If Marco was their only target the admirals would have bypassed his regen, Garp gave Marco a stay back punch and nearly bypassed his regen, if he wanted to seriously fight Marco he would have completely bypassed it and that goes for the Admirals as well.

Cuz it was a push, the kick itself was blocked by Kizaru, though yeah he wouldn't really be hurt just saying he used his df powers like Marco used his
We never saw how Marco's kick affected Aokiji so we cannot know if it hurt him or not, Jozu made Aokiji bleed but when we see him again he had no blood in his face

Just checked it, even doe it makes no sense you're right u_u

Just like fighting the admirals wasn't his main purpose

You talk about Garp bypassing his regen and then you generalize it to the admirals when none of them actually did it when they had a chance (Akainu really wanted to kill Luffy I don't see why he wouldn't use his full power when he faced Marco)

And even if they bypassed his regen the effects would be nothing like the actual strenght of the attack, he managed regen most of Garp's punch and Kizaru's strongest attack till now couldn't do shit so until they manage to completely bypass his regen it would take a shit ton of time

 

[ToshiZO]

Wait, wait, wait. Only because I've seen this argument made twice now: You guys realize an attack having a name doesn't mean a thing? It's just a trope for manga. Jet Pistol is literally just a punch. Flambage Shot is literally just Sanji kicking you towards the ground while his leg is coated in fire. Whitebeard didn't use a SINGLE named attack in his entire run in the manga, but I guess that means that while fighting Admirals and doing his best to sink Marineford after becoming completely pissed off, Whitebeard was just holding back all the way and keeping his REAL techniques for all the fighting he's gonna be doing in the afterlife against people he REALLY wants to kill.

nah it means a lot for most characters, not to mention Fujitora's fierce tiger so far is one of his strongest attacks featwise anyways. Not all characters have named attacks Mihawk might be one of those, but the majority that do it means a lot.

Anyways I keep hearing Sabo couldn't do anything to Fuji and what not but the man was literally yelling when he tried blocking one of Sabo's kicks....I'm not an expert but I wouldn't call that getting manhandled.

 

[Punk Hazard]

nah it means a lot for most characters, not to mention Fujitora's fierce tiger so far is one of his strongest attacks featwise anyways. Not all characters have named attacks Mihawk might be one of those, but the majority that do it means a lot.

Anyways I keep hearing Sabo couldn't do anything to Fuji and what not but the man was literally yelling when he tried blocking one of Sabo's kicks....I'm not an expert but I wouldn't call that getting manhandled.

It means absolutely nothing when the world's strongest man is going all out in a war and is pissed off and is fighting against three of the world's strongest fighters and neglects to name a single attack. If Luffy does a random kick with Gear 2 and doesn't give it a name, it's not gonna be weaker than if he gives a kick with a name. "Oh I'm speaking while delivering this attack, so it's stronger than that one I put the same effort in while in the same mode with the same body part but I DID speak while doing it."