[Discussion] Sabo vs Ivankov vs Bartholomew
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lol I always just use him and her nouns interchangably with ivankov because he can make himself whatever he chooses. He has been both male and female.
To your other point I dont see how he gets pass Kuma's Paw Paw fruit either, which is why im more on the side of kuma winning. Kuma because of his ability is also significantly faster than sabo.. And in a 3 way battle, i think immediately counting ivankov out is a mistake seeing how she has shown on 2 occasions that she has high forms of resistance to fire (sanji and akainu) which makes it hard to believe that Mera Mera would help sabo at all against these 2 opponents. Ivankov can also heal himself, increase his attack power, range, and scale, and also enhance his speed and durablity.
For a while? Jinbe had a head start, yet it took Akainu 2panels to dispatch Ivankov(and Inazuma) and reach Jinbe again.
@bold you mean the clash where he could do zero damage on a brainless machine?
Well Kuma is not in control, he's not fighting off intuition.
With free will he was able to intercept the dark king and yellow monkeys battle to relay a message.
Even Dragon was weary about Kuma, and not to mention the hype that surrounds his fruit.
The ability to repel anything.
His hype is yet to be questioned since we saw no limits to his fruit.
Ivo on the other hand is the complete opposite, especially after what Magellon and Akainu did to him off panel.
Sabo can solo an entire island, provided there aren't any top tiers on it (which Kuma couldnt do either)
Sabo would make pre TS SHs look like fodder, hell, Ace would make pre Ts SHs look like fodder
I understand your point about the 2 panels but:
1. it was more than 2 panels, and it never showed what happend. If we go off the anime then ivankov put up as best a fight she could against a logia admiral. I could imagine Jimbe, Marco, Crocodile, or even doflomingo doing any better than what the anime shown us ivankov did against a angry akainu.
To be fair, Kuma's body is extremely durable so it doesn't suprise me that during their brief fight ivankov only got a scratch on him.. After 2 years of non stop fighting to protect the thousand sunny, the worst the marines and pirates could do to him was rip some of his clothes.
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I would not take the little physical damage as a fault on ivankov's strength, as much as I would use it the praise kuma's high resilent body (durability). Ivankov still was able to push him back numerous times and
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!!!!I believe kuma would win though, but I think saying ivankov is fodder is a gross underestimation of is abilities.. If you look at each of his fights he's shown extreme durability, speed, and strength feats also.
In terms of Megellons fight, I think something is to be said about the fact that he is the only person to survive megellon's poison in a matter on minutes. And also the fact that he wasnt even seriously fighting with Megellan and took poison and magma(akainu) to the face a made a gag out of it.
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Im not saying Ivankov would win because I do see kuma winning especially in a 3-way, but i think there is a gross underestimation of ivankov's abilities.
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Ok tbh I think sabo is on the bottom of this one guys
I believe he's stronger then ivsn but not kuma
But both ivan and kuma can heal themselves in mid battle Ivan his fruit and kuma taking any pain outside of his body
Also ivan tanked meghlagan poison as well as akainu lava in his face so he's not going down tht easily
Kuma is reflection anything the two throws at them...
Tbh it all comes down to stamina to me and to me ivan has most stamina due to being able to inject himself with adrenaline and heal himself
Kuma is next with taking any intangible things outside of his body like pain fatigue etc
Sabo is kind of left in dust in terms of stamina and endurence between these two
While I feel sabo is stronger then Ivan i feel in this three way dead lock he's the weakest link...
To me it's a match up between Ivan and kuma in which kuma
I believe he's stronger then ivsn but not kuma
But both ivan and kuma can heal themselves in mid battle Ivan his fruit and kuma taking any pain outside of his body
Also ivan tanked meghlagan poison as well as akainu lava in his face so he's not going down tht easily
Kuma is reflection anything the two throws at them...
Tbh it all comes down to stamina to me and to me ivan has most stamina due to being able to inject himself with adrenaline and heal himself
Kuma is next with taking any intangible things outside of his body like pain fatigue etc
Sabo is kind of left in dust in terms of stamina and endurence between these two
While I feel sabo is stronger then Ivan i feel in this three way dead lock he's the weakest link...
To me it's a match up between Ivan and kuma in which kuma
No lie, This is EXACTLY how I feel..
Would Rep if I could..
Honestly, I dont see Mera Mera giving Sabo any type of advantage. Especially knowing that Ivankov tanked a magma punch to the face (and sanji's diable jambe) and kuma is extremely durable (if franky can survive the explosion of vegapunks lab, im sure kuma who is more advanced could also survive fire base techs).. It would come down to sabo engaging both in cqc combat. And I dont see him outlasting either of them, or bypassing kuma's paw paw fruit.
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Kuma with his own consciousness has no lasers and is less resilient to attacks and is henceforth smarter but weaker.
Making the pre-skip Strawhats look like fodder isn't impressive. Usopp could do that now.
It's also not hard to fend off people living in 'Paradise' in comparison to the New World.
He solo'd a whole island? Yeah... that's only because of the destructive nature of his fruit, it doesn't mean he himself is stronger. Ivankov was shown to be stronger than Pacifistas (even PX-0 aka Kuma). This means Iva would be a close match for Kuma, and considering the Warlords are listed in strength order here:
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He's weaker than Doflamingo, whom is weaker than Sabo... quite easy really
As for Dragons top three men... Sabo's his second officer, so there's one above him and below Dragon unless Dragon himself is the first officer. There's also reason to believe Kuzan is within the ranks (or soon will be) of the Revolutionary Army.
I think you are mislead by the picture, as it would make more sense to believe that it is listing the warlords in order of who has held the rank longer. If that is the case then it would make since that Mihawk is first as he is similar age to shanks, Doflomingo would be next as he blackmailed his way into the warlords 8 year prior to the start of the series, while kuma was still in the revolutionaries. Everything after that makes since.
What doesnt make since is trying to suggest that Hancock is stronger than Law, or than Doflamingo is stronger than that hax paw paw fruit.
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I'm taking Sabo I feel the Mera Mera really helps a lot in this fight because if Sabo gets hit by Kumas paws he can turn to flame to lessen the impact. I also think he is skilled enough to get around Kumas paws ...Haki does negate Kumas ability but if he hits his body ...he would damage him badly
Iva is irrelevant..got fodderized by Akainu in no time
Iva is irrelevant..got fodderized by Akainu in no time
Not according to the anime. And you do realize that Akainu was pissed and is an admiral.
No one was on the battlefield (except whitebeard and Garp) was about to stand a chance against him. Even Marco got dropped by him by a single punch. The fact that Ivankov fought akainu (off panel or not) and was fine is a testament to his strength, especially him not being admiral level himself. Ivankov fought Akainu and was fine afterwards, jimbe ran from akainu and was left in critical condition..
[video=youtube;-aMfuASnjdU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aMfuASnjdU[/video]
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Ivankov played around in his battle with both Megellan and Akainu. The same punch that killed ace was tanked by Ivankov in the anime, and Ivankov easily shrugged off a direct poison attack from megellan to the face.
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taking the fight seriousy. Fujitora wasnt even trying and Sabo was still scratched up. So you cant really use that as a reference to back up sabo's case.
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Omfg for the last time wtf makes doffy weaker then sabo then u say easily -.- nothing he has ****ing shown has been close to doffy other then haki when sabo mid diffs law and luffy at the same time talk to me all he did was get low diffed by fuji and showcase really good haki ..
