Sabo was never in danger but Burgess could hold him off for more than 10minutes, tanking his strongest shown attacks with Sabo ending up with few marks on the body and apparently Burgess feigned defeat to try to attack him while off-guard. It's between low and mid difficulty. Not exactly low but not mid either
[Discussion] Sabo vs Burgess
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The fight was mid diff. The mistake people make is that they measure the difficulty of a fight based solely on how much damage the winner took. This is the same reason people consider Pica vs Zoro low diff even though it was high diff. If you're 100x times stronger than your opponent and they can't hurt you, but their endurance and durability is so high that it takes you an entire day of straight beating to defeat them, then the fight was extreme diff even though you didn't sustain an injury.
Difficulty is simply how much did take it take in defeating your opponent. It's not "how damage did I take" but how much time and energy did it take to defeat the opponent.
Sabo doesn't have a single scratch on his body, meaning the fight was Sabo just beating on Burgess for about ten minutes. As OG Sama likes to put it, Burgess took a tour across Dressrosa. Sabo was essentially tossing him through the city in a relentless assault, and Burgess wasn't KOd because of his monstrous endurance.Ten minutes of beating down on Burgess wasn't enough to KO him, and low diff is being able to put down your opponent in a few moves. It was mid diff.
Difficulty is simply how much did take it take in defeating your opponent. It's not "how damage did I take" but how much time and energy did it take to defeat the opponent.
Sabo doesn't have a single scratch on his body, meaning the fight was Sabo just beating on Burgess for about ten minutes. As OG Sama likes to put it, Burgess took a tour across Dressrosa. Sabo was essentially tossing him through the city in a relentless assault, and Burgess wasn't KOd because of his monstrous endurance.Ten minutes of beating down on Burgess wasn't enough to KO him, and low diff is being able to put down your opponent in a few moves. It was mid diff.
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Sabo low diff, anyone who says different is delusional or trolling. Sabo showed signs of not taking a single hit, he showed signs that he wasn't drained of stamina signifying it was an easy fight, he had Burgess on his knees and screaming in pain. The only thing stopping Burgess from being killed just now is he's needed in the story later.
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Really? Could you link?
This is why I hate MangaPanda.
That doesn't make the fight easy though. When determining the diff of the fight, you have to look at two things:
1. How much damage did the winner take?
2. How much effort was spent on defeating the loser
It wasn't no effort because Sabo was beating up Burgess for ten minutes straight, and he wasn't KOd. However, it wasn't a strenuous fight because Sabo still has pretty much all of his stamina. It's in the middle of difficulty(high) and no effort(low), therefore mid diff.
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I would agree in a fight to the finish but this didn't necessarily seem like one, Sabo was essentially just keeping Burgess away rather than trying to kill him(until the end that is) and he managed to do that with low difficulty. Now if the question was at what dif does Sabo defeat Burgess I'd agree. As far as this encounter goes Sabo won with low diff in my eyes, there wasn't any struggle for Sabo other than Burgess not going unconscious but as I said, it seemed like Sabo was more worried about keeping Sabo away than K.O'ing him.(yes I know the best way to keep him from Luffy would be K.O. but it didn't come across like he was fighting with that type of urgency)
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1st bold: Sabo's priority was keeping Burgess from attacking Luffy. Knocking him out would have sufficed to do that just that. The whole "Sabo is keeping Burgess at bay" thing makes no sense as an argument for why Sabo didn't just knock Burgess out right away if he could. That would be Low diff.
2nd bold: That right there is the problem. You can't just justify why it's low diff and not mid diff by just taking the factor of why it's mid diff out of the equation. With the second bolded, you basically just went "This factor makes it mid diff, but I'm not gonna consider it and disregard it because I wanna say and think it's low diff." THAT struggle is why it's mid diff. There is no "other than", it's there.
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@1 I know that's why I addressed that at the end. The way Oda presented Sabo these last chapters it just didn't feel like he was trying to K.O. him
@2 This skirmish between the two Sabo handled low dif, the entire fight is a different matter. This wasn't a fight til the end this was Sabo buying Luffy the time he needed. Also since we haven't seen the fight we can't say how much effort Sabo even put into K.O.'ing Burgess, but he has shown against Fujitora that he hasn't been fighting seriously a lot in DR and by having him stand over a worn out Burgess where he could have easily killed him(if Oda did that thing) shows that it was of little difficulty for Sabo to stop him thus THIS BATTLE was won by Sabo low-diff, the war would be won mid-diff.
If OP said at what dif. does Sabo beat Burgess then you'd have a better claim but he asked about this battle specifically and Sabo low diffed this interaction between the two. Also just because it's your criteria doesn't mean it's everyone's or even mandatory. I personally don't consider time a big factor in difficulty scaling unless the time shows fatigue which Sabo didn't, I look at it like this and you're free to agree or as I assume disagree, but if I was tasked with cutting a 10 foot line with scissors but could only cut 3 inches at a time, I wouldn't say it was difficult for me to cut those 10 feet just time consuming.
Yeah I really like this way of looking at difficulty as it makes sense.
No diff- would have been if Burgess didn't get up from that kick.
Low diff- would have been just about 2 moves.
Mid diff- all that damage and still Burgess can fight?
Makes sense, sometimes I believe the difficulty of a fight still can't really tell you how close some fighters are in power. Because when you can take more than you can dish out(Burgess) you can be a difficult opponent for anybody.
Getting put down in 10 minutes is not durability. To me it was a clear low diff
I don't think Sabo washed his face from the battle with Fujitora bro
It would be low diff but Burgess isn't fodder. Sabo has been training with Dragon and the revolutionaries for like almost 10 years. And Burgess is strong but hasn't gotten anywhere near the level of training or experience that Sabo has. I mean yeah he part of BB crew and to most he is incredibly strong and powerful. But Sabo isn't most...Burgess like most others can't deal with someone like Sabo the number 2 to Dragon.
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Low-diff, no sign of struggle at all for Sabo, just a one-way beat down.
Anyway I dont know why would anyone except anything more from Burgress, the BB pirates are still rising and are in no way on the same level as the other Yonko crews who were around for such a long time, Burgress was the same guy who 2 years ago couldnt even touch Ace this was pretty much confirmed by BB itself so idk why would this guy for a span of only 2 years give any difficulty bigger than low-diff to someone who is in a complete different level from Ace and let alone someone like Burgress, it would be completely absurd for burgress to grow in 2 years from getting foderized to Ace to put up a fight against Sabo.
Anyway I dont know why would anyone except anything more from Burgress, the BB pirates are still rising and are in no way on the same level as the other Yonko crews who were around for such a long time, Burgress was the same guy who 2 years ago couldnt even touch Ace this was pretty much confirmed by BB itself so idk why would this guy for a span of only 2 years give any difficulty bigger than low-diff to someone who is in a complete different level from Ace and let alone someone like Burgress, it would be completely absurd for burgress to grow in 2 years from getting foderized to Ace to put up a fight against Sabo.
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Probably because it's a manga where a 17 year old can go from struggling against weak shit like Arlong to defeating two Shichibukai in a few months but ya know
Probably because the guy u mentioned is the main character with a huge growth rate and the other guy is literally a nobody compared to the growth rate of the three brothers who had literally massive growth in each year, if every OP fighter would have the same growth rate than damn at his age burgress should have been able to go toe to toe with top-tiers but sadly he isnt.
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Stopped reading at main character excuse.
It shows that kind of growth can happen and can be expected to happen. Same way 41 year old Vergo and old ass Smoker can be defeated by 24 year old rookie Law. If the character has a significant role, therr are no rules when it comes to their growth rate. The fact that Burgess is one of the to officers of a Yonko makes those who expected him to be able to compete with Sabo completely justified. Were we wrong? Yes, but even with your highest of horses you can't blame us for doing so.
Also stopped reading the moment u begin to compare someone like Burgress with Sabo.
Again Vergo is just another one arc side character who is never going to be as important as Law, people like Luffy,Ace,Law etc are so strong yet so young due to their massive growth rate each year compared to someone like Croc who is over his 40's and barely powers-up if not at all the same goes with Doffy who as far as we know hasnt gotten any stronger compared to how strong he was 2 years ago at marineford, it was pretty much confirmed that the brother trio have massive growth rate as each one of them were literally very strong as mere kids and each one of them grew massively, i.e Ace who got to sea at 17 years old was able to get a bounty of 550m at 20 and was considered a massively strong pirate in NW also luffy who got at sea at 17 and got a bounty of 400m at age 19, Sabo is no exception, at the age of 22 he is the second in command of a huge organisation such as Revos, u dont really see every pirate getting a bounty of 400-500m at age of 18-20 do u? So check again before u compare aimlessly.