[Discussion] Sabo takes the Shichibukai gauntlet...

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Beats law extreme high diff

Not sure if he can take out boa .-.

Doffy mid diffs him >_> so he should stop at doffy everyone higher is not worth debating

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Beats law extreme high diff

Not sure if he can take out boa .-.

Doffy mid diffs him >_> so he should stop at doffy everyone higher is not worth debating

So much wrong with this post. He mid diffs Law, mid diffs Hancock, and high diffs Doffy. He is admiral level he shouldn't lose to anyone who is a Shichibukai except Mihawk.

 

[A v i]

Zoro was confident enough to take on Issho...so ye.

We have no idea what Kumas position was, funny if it turns out Sabo actually replaced Kuma once Kuma had left and undergone the Pacifista program

Lmao, Zoro has no idea about his opponent where as Iva and Kuma are comrades for a long ass time.

It doesn't matter unless u can bring me the scans of Kuma being no:2 of RA. I can say that Iva is the second in command of RA and was recently replaced by Sabo. In the end it is nothing more than a mere assumption. On the other hand we have a solid evidence which suggests that Sabo is no.2 of RA.There is nothing that suggests that Kuma is no.2 so your argument holds no value here. I'd rather follow manga than riding on baseless assumptions.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Lmao, Zoro has no idea about his opponent where as Iva and Kuma are comrades for a long ass time.

It doesn't matter unless u can bring me the scans of Kuma being no:2 of RA. I can say that Iva is the second in command of RA and was recently replaced by Sabo. In the end it is nothing more than a mere assumption. On the other hand we have a solid evidence which suggests that Sabo is no.2 of RA.There is nothing that suggests that Kuma is no.2 so your argument holds no value here. I'd rather follow manga than riding on baseless assumptions.

My argument holds no value?
I just proved your first point wrong, Zoro also thinks he can take on Issho, unlucky.

Secondly all of this is baseless assumptions, since it's a vs thread. No need to get upset about it.

Honestly, I do think Sabo could beat Kuma with a brain, just carried on arguing cos it's funny how upset you get when debating.

 

[A v i]

My argument holds no value?
I just proved your first point wrong, Zoro also thinks he can take on Issho, unlucky.

Secondly all of this is baseless assumptions, since it's a vs thread. No need to get upset about it.

That Zoro argument is terrible as hell. There is a huge difference b/w being confident about doing something when we have no prior knowledge and when we have none. simple as that.

Lmao, What are u even talking about? If u have no argument then u can always choose to ignore my post. Don't try to act cool by posting unrelated stuff as it'll only make u look bad here.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

S1: Stops at Doflamingo
S2: Stops at Mihawk
S3: Stops at Mihawk

 

[Dr Strangelove]

That Zoro argument is terrible as hell. There is a huge difference b/w being confident about doing something when we have no prior knowledge and when we have none. simple as that.

Lmao, What are u even talking about? If u have no argument then u can always choose to ignore my post. Don't try to act cool by posting unrelated stuff as it'll only make u look bad here.

It's the exact same thing. Your point was that Ivankov felt confident against Kuma, well, Zoro feels confident against Issho.
Also notice how Ivankovs attacks did...well nothing against Kuma?

Me look bad? I'm not the one who's crying every five days when arguing with Love Cook

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

So much wrong with this post. He mid diffs Law, mid diffs Hancock, and high diffs Doffy. He is admiral level he shouldn't lose to anyone who is a Shichibukai except Mihawk.

There is no proof he is admiral level enough with the bullshit so what he clashed with Fuji big deal luffy has clashed with admirals b4 does that make him admiral
Doffy has clashed with Fuji as well and akoiji in fact doffy is first person shown to break out of akoiji ice something even jozu who was able to fight evenly with akoiji wasn't able to do...
Law has clashed with Fuji as well also ..

Hell even Zoro clash with Fuji (tho Fuji dismissed him quick lol)

Sabo has shown nothing to prove he's on the level of admiral that none of the characters mention above have shown...

 

[jiraiya lives]

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Mihawk turns Kuma into tiny little cubes and stuffs him into a lunchbox autographed by Shanks himself.

Off topic but this makes me realize just how much Zoro has to go in order to take Mihawk title. You know you have a long way to go when Mihawk's Casual sword swing is>>>Zoro's strongest sword swing

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

There is no proof he is admiral level enough with the bullshit so what he clashed with Fuji big deal luffy has clashed with admirals b4 does that make him admiral
Doffy has clashed with Fuji as well and akoiji in fact doffy is first person shown to break out of akoiji ice something even jozu who was able to fight evenly with akoiji wasn't able to do...
Law has clashed with Fuji as well also ..

Hell even Zoro clash with Fuji (tho Fuji dismissed him quick lol)

Sabo has shown nothing to prove he's on the level of admiral that none of the characters mention above have shown...

Sabo wasn't using his fruit when he no diffed Bastille, a vice admiral, so a pre mera mera Sabo had enough strength to no diff VAs. He was strong enough to become the right hand man of Dragon, the man that currently the strongest alive character, before he hate the MMnM. Sabo was around Luffys strength or maybe a tiny bit stronger before he ate the fruit and once he ate it that was enough to make him admiral level. Anyone who isn't a Sabo hater can realize he is admiral level.

 

[Bogard]

I suspect Kuma was the original Dragon first mate(implied with his fight against Dragon's son first mate along with other hints), so with brain he was likely stronger than Sabo and would stop there, though i'm not sure with heals

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Sabo wasn't using his fruit when he no diffed Bastille, a vice admiral, so a pre mera mera Sabo had enough strength to no diff VAs. He was strong enough to become the right hand man of Dragon, the man that currently the strongest alive character, before he hate the MMnM. Sabo was around Luffys strength or maybe a tiny bit stronger before he ate the fruit and once he ate it that was enough to make him admiral level. Anyone who isn't a Sabo hater can realize he is admiral level.

He can't even control the fruit law mid diff smoker who has shown to b strongest va bar vergo ... Also law low diffed vergo after getting his heart back does that make him admiral level

And so what he didn't use his fruit against the va r u aware he prob has been fighting for years without a fruit he is aware he cannot control it so why use something u have no idea how to use over a style you have trained in

Sabo isn't admiral level u need to go outside and get some fresh air

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

That Zoro argument is terrible as hell. There is a huge difference b/w being confident about doing something when we have no prior knowledge and when we have none. simple as that.

Lmao, What are u even talking about? If u have no argument then u can always choose to ignore my post. Don't try to act cool by posting unrelated stuff as it'll only make u look bad here.

God no....this site has lost any sense of respect for logical debate and impressions.


Firstly, We know neither Sabo nor Kuma's rank before the time skip, or before Kuma left to go die. The argument that either is a higher rank in the Rev military cannot be used as leverage for stronger or weaker.

One simply must look at feats. Kuma has shown to be capable of pseudo teleportation, the ability to repel anything (which until a limitation is seen remains basically an absolute), and the speed of repelling objects can reach as I recall the speed of light (Pad Cannon during Thriller Bark).

Sabo has shown to predominantly use hand to hand combat, and has shown no speed feats that'd out rank Kuma's repel transportation. The flame attack like Hiken are just repelled.

So in the end, Sabo hasn't shown anything to really be able to stop Kuma.

 

[Bogard]

Kuma being able to use haki changes nothing at all. Iva, who's aware of what Kuma is capable of was confident about taking on kuma yet u think he has a chance against Sabo? Regardless,Sabo is the no:2 of RA which means that both his strength as well as status are only next to Dragon.

The ranking argument is a poor one. Kuma is working for the government since a long while, so he left the revolutionary army. I suspect he was the original nr2 of the RA. Sabo just took his place later on. Someone like Ace didn't even know Sabo despite living in the new world since a while when even fodders know him, so it's likely Sabo only got his reputation recently

 

[WolfHaley]

I think he loses at Doflamingo.

 

[WhistleBlower]

Ends at four U_U

 

[A v i]

The ranking argument is a poor one. Kuma is working for the government since a long while, so he left the revolutionary army. I suspect he was the original nr2 of the RA. Sabo just took his place later on. Someone like Ace didn't even know Sabo despite living in the new world since a while when even fodders know him, so it's likely Sabo only got his reputation recently

The problem is that there is nothing that suggests that Kuma was no:2 before Sabo. Besides, Sabo proved himself to be able to fight on par with an admiral where as Kuma don't have that kind of feats or hype so I have no reason to believe that he's stronger than Sabo.

 

[WolfHaley]

The problem is that there is nothing that suggests that Kuma was no:2 before Sabo. Besides, Sabo proved himself to be able to fight on par with an admiral where as Kuma don't have that kind of feats or hype so I have no reason to believe that he's stronger than Sabo.

I mean, he tanked an attack that could level Thriller Bark, that's a pretty good feat.

 

[A v i]

I mean, he tanked an attack that could level Thriller Bark, that's a pretty good feat.

Wasn't that he's own attack?

God no....this site has lost any sense of respect for logical debate and impressions.


Firstly, We know neither Sabo nor Kuma's rank before the time skip, or before Kuma left to go die. The argument that either is a higher rank in the Rev military cannot be used as leverage for stronger or weaker.

Already said that it changes nothing unless u can bring me something that hints that he's no.2 before Sabo. I won't deny the fact that Kuma being no:2 before Sabo is possible. If only we have something that supports this point I'd gladly agree with u.



Iva and Kuma are comrads for a long as time. Iva was confident about taking on Kuma which hints that they at the very least on the same level and we already know what Iva can do against an Admiral so lets stop riding on baseless assumptions and put Kuma on Admiral level dudes.

One simply must look at feats. Kuma has shown to be capable of pseudo teleportation, the ability to repel anything (which until a limitation is seen remains basically an absolute), and the speed of repelling objects can reach as I recall the speed of light (Pad Cannon during Thriller Bark).

Sabo has shown to predominantly use hand to hand combat, and has shown no speed feats that'd out rank Kuma's repel transportation. The flame attack like Hiken are just repelled.

So in the end, Sabo hasn't shown anything to really be able to stop Kuma.

Talking about feats.hmm

Teleportation? Same dude couldn't even dodge pre TS Zoro's surprise attack and lets not overlook the fact that even pre TS Zoro dodged his attacks pretty easily.hmm

Lets also stop overlooking the fact that Sabo displayed badass Haki feats. lol

It's the exact same thing. Your point was that Ivankov felt confident against Kuma, well, Zoro feels confident against Issho.
Also notice how Ivankovs attacks did...well nothing against Kuma?

Clearly explained why that Zoro's example is terrible as hell. hmm


Regardless,come again when you have something that supports your point in manga. Show me some me something that suggests that Kuma was no:2 before Sabo not someone else or At the very least prove me that Kuma can fight on par with an Admiral then I'll admit that he's stronger than Kuma.

Me look bad? I'm not the one who's crying every five days when arguing with Love Cook

Have no idea where you got this non sense from. Me? crying? Lmao, I don't remember insulting other members just because I have no argument like you are doing now.hmm

Btw, this post clearly proves that you care alot about other members stuff.

 

[WolfHaley]

Wasn't that he's own attack?

Doesn't really matter, Kuma's attack was nothing more than a bomb of pressurized air, he's not an Air Air Man.