S06P really isn't that strong

[The7thHokage]

Thats the problem. The eye is on the juubi, who he defeated using izanagi, the Sage has been shown with rinnegan, not a form of sharingan. Maybe he took control of the juubi eye, but thats speculation.

Maybe one of rinnegan's secret abilities is unlimited use of izanagi

 

[ShinobiEmperor]

Okay...then why would he split the juubi up into 9 tailed beasts? Why not just erase it from existence? He split it so that it wouldn't be a threat to the earth once he past away, but eliminating it would have been a much better option if it was available.



Sure it seems logical if you only look at that part of Tobi's explanation by itself. If you include the part in his speech about him "creating" with yin, and "breathing life into his creations" with yang, then you would know that he can't "will people out of existence" since Creation of All things warps reality in creating something and giving it life, not destroying something that already exists.

You may be right, it is indeed possible and logical, this is why in my posts I said IF RS has reality warping, he may not have it.

Babidi, Majin buu, Piccolo, shenron and all of the kais are reality warpers. They have all created objects out of nothing, and in the DC universe it is explicitly stated that magic is the ability to warp reality.

Shenron has the ability warp reality to the point of re-creating planets, and bringing life to beings far more powerful than he is, but he explicitely states that he can't "will someone out of existance" who is stronger than he is. He can't even use his magic to change them into something weak or teleport them somewhere dangerous in order to kill them.

This alone is a sufficient proof to show that you can't beat DBZ fighters with hax alone such as planet-level reality warping. You can use the reality warping to warp things around the DBZ char in order to fight them, but you can't use it directly against them in order to will them out of existence.

No, magic MAY lead to reality warping if your magic is strong enough but reality warping is not magic per se, the only guy in DBZ that had reality warping was Shenron and it was useless because he couldnt warp things that are stronger than the creator of the Dragon Balls.

Even if what you say is true, a reality warping become the universe. How is the DBZ going to fight against it? No one ever showed the ability to even destroy a Galaxy in a blow. They would get raped, or simply the reality warper travel to the past and kill the entire DBZ when they were babies, what are they going to do?

 

[NarutoKage2]

Maybe one of rinnegan's secret abilities is unlimited use of izanagi

Yet Nagato never used it, nor has Madara. Maybe the next few chapters will reveal something from Edo Madara or Tobi about the tech.

 

[The7thHokage]

Yet Nagato never used it, nor has Madara. Maybe the next few chapters will reveal something from Edo Madara or Tobi about the tech.

That why I said secret abilities....meaning only so6p knows it

 

[ShinobiEmperor]

Yet Nagato never used it, nor has Madara. Maybe the next few chapters will reveal something from Edo Madara or Tobi about the tech.

We dont know where the meteor came from yet, it could had been used a meteor made real by Izanagi. Did it really came from outer space? The velocity needed for that effect would have created an impact similar to the one that destroyed the dinosaurs.

 

[lanakau888]

You may be right, it is indeed possible and logical, this is why in my posts I said IF RS has reality warping, he may not have it.



No, magic MAY lead to reality warping if your magic is strong enough but reality warping is not magic per se, the only guy in DBZ that had reality warping was Shenron and it was useless because he couldnt warp things that are stronger than the creator of the Dragon Balls.

Supreme kai reality warps to creates katchin out of nothing
King kai reality warps to create a block of rock out of nothing
Babid reality warps by sending the z fighters to various parts of the universe, changing the setting of the space-ship
Buu realitywarps with his transformation ray
Piccolo reality warps by with his ability to create clothes and swords out of nothing.

And if you say that all of this is not reality warping, then there still is the fact that the only reality-warper in the DBZ verse can't erase people who are stronger than they are, which means that same physics is applied to any other reality warper that a person from DBZ verse is pitted against.

Even if what you say is true, a reality warping become the universe. How is the DBZ going to fight against it? No one ever showed the ability to even destroy a Galaxy in a blow. They would get raped, or simply the reality warper travel to the past and kill the entire DBZ when they were babies, what are they going to do?

Shenron has only been shown to reality warp at the planet level, so I will concede that reality warping that allows one to destroy a universe will kill the DBZ verse. And traveling to the past would only allow the reality warper to kill the dbz-cast in that continuity.

If traveling to the past would allow reality warpers to kill the DBZ cast, then cell would have been erased from existence since trunks traveled to the past and killed him as an embryo.

 

[NarutoKage2]

That why I said secret abilities....meaning only so6p knows it

But it is'nt really a secret, is it? Izanagi, i mean. Danzo and Tobi could use it. To perform it, you need to have:
1. Sharingan/uchiha dna
2. Hashirama's cells.

Now, maybe Tobi meant Senju cells not Hashirama dna when he described the tech. So then i can understand what your saying, that Sage was the 2 bloodlines in one person, so technically he had both uchiha and senju dna. But everytime we've seen it used, the sharingan eye closes permanently for the user. But my problem with the assumption of rinnegan's secret power being unlimited izanagi is:

We know Tobi could use izanagi, we also know he knew that SageO6P used it with rinnegan, so if Tobi now has the rinnegan why does'nt he use unlimited izanagi himself? Tobi knows all about the sage's techs, he is gonna place the whole world under tsukuyomi so i think he'd be good enuf to unlock this rinnegan secret.

And don't say you need the chakra of the Juubi like you do with the eye of the moon plan. Sage used Izanagi before he became the 10 tails jinchuriki, not after. Too many loop holes if you ask me man.

 

[The7thHokage]

But it is'nt really a secret, is it? Izanagi, i mean. Danzo and Tobi could use it. To perform it, you need to have:
1. Sharingan/uchiha dna
2. Hashirama's cells.

Now, maybe Tobi meant Senju cells not Hashirama dna when he described the tech. So then i can understand what your saying, that Sage was the 2 bloodlines in one person, so technically he had both uchiha and senju dna. But everytime we've seen it used, the sharingan eye closes permanently for the user. But my problem with the assumption of rinnegan's secret power being unlimited izanagi is:

We know Tobi could use izanagi, we also know he knew that SageO6P used it with rinnegan, so if Tobi now has the rinnegan why does'nt he use unlimited izanagi himself? Tobi knows all about the sage's techs, he is gonna place the whole world under tsukuyomi so i think he'd be good enuf to unlock this rinnegan secret.

And don't say you need the chakra of the Juubi like you do with the eye of the moon plan. Sage used Izanagi before he became the 10 tails jinchuriki, not after. Too many loop holes if you ask me man.

I don't mean izanagi itself but the unlimited use of it

 

[NarutoKage2]

I don't mean izanagi itself but the unlimited use of it

Why does'nt Tobi have unlimited use with his knowledge and rinnegan then?

 

[ShinobiEmperor]

I don't mean izanagi itself but the unlimited use of it

Juubi eye, when RS was using the technique he was using Juubi eye. Tobi doesnt has the eye yet so he cant use it.

 

[jnr3000]

lame thread!!! Dude created all jutsu's you cant beat him at his own game,

 

[jnr3000]

In Naruto wiki it says "According to Tobi, centuries before the beginning of the main storyline, the Sage defeated the most powerful demon in the ninja world, the Ten-Tails, being praised as a god by virtue of his victory."He was the creator of ninjutsu,thus he would be praised "As a God".People only thought he was so strong because they had nothing.If you switch So6P with ummmmm lets say Madara, he would still be called a God because the people knew nothing.IMO I think Madara,Itachi,Tobi,and Sasuke and Nagato have a chance at beating the 10 Tails. I know he has so much chakra and the tail beasts are just portions,but think about it.Itachi's Sword Seals him and Yata Mirror blocks everything.Sasuke has Ameratase,Kirin and Sasuno,Tobi can make himself Intanaibly,Nagato has the same moves the sages had(Chibuka Tensai and Shinra Tensai)and Madara has meterors.We just hype him because of his status, not because what we have seen.

Are you serious the people yu mentioned weren't able to control A tailed beat properly or were even never able to control one, what makes you think they stand a chance against the 10tails.
Madara lost control of the nine tales to Hashirama..
Sasuke only supressed 9tails
Itachi never did anything to a tailed beast
Nagato with his deva path run like a thug who had seen a cop when naruto was in 6tails and even his chibaku tensei wasnt strong enough for 8tails... If he could control the beast he woulda captured naruto...

The only person who stood a 50% chance against the 10tails is Hashirama, he had a lot of tailed beast which he shared amongst the other nations. The uchiha's yu mentioned stand only a 5% chance at making 10tails angry

 

[manje11]

Just in case people start jumping to conclusion, Madara can't beat the ten tails until kishi prove it otherwise. he can control it, that's a whole different thing. he doesn't have anything in his arsenal to do so, maybe the rinnegan, but nagato had it and was a better user than him, and struggle to beat the sixth tail naruto, and to hold the eighth tail. So the answer is no. Amaterasu maybe, tsukuyomi nope, the tails is a vast asenal of chakras. Susanoos maybe can do damage, but i don't it would be able to seal the ten tails. The ten tails bomb would vanquish both susanoo and him in one blast. So the anwer is no.

 

[manje11]

Are you serious the people yu mentioned weren't able to control A tailed beat properly or were even never able to control one, what makes you think they stand a chance against the 10tails.
Madara lost control of the nine tales to Hashirama..
Sasuke only supressed 9tails
Itachi never did anything to a tailed beast
Nagato with his deva path run like a thug who had seen a cop when naruto was in 6tails and even his chibaku tensei wasnt strong enough for 8tails... If he could control the beast he woulda captured naruto...

The only person who stood a 50% chance against the 10tails is Hashirama, he had a lot of tailed beast which he shared amongst the other nations. The uchiha's yu mentioned stand only a 5% chance at making 10tails angry

All true, but sasuke only supressed the chakra influence, not the beast itself. And about hashirama, damn his trees are powerful imagine having that kind of power to tame it. I thing he used Yggdrasil, biggest mythological tree in the world to hold the nine tails who knows, but I agree with everything you say man.

 

[jnr3000]

All true, but sasuke only supressed the chakra influence, not the beast itself. And about hashirama, damn his trees are powerful imagine having that kind of power to tame it. I thing he used Yggdrasil, biggest mythological tree in the world to hold the nine tails who knows, but I agree with everything you say man.

True.

 

[raynnil]

Madara can beat the 10 Tails and teach people ninjutsu

that's just close to fanboyness....

 

[NOemotions]

possible its just hype, good point. but i dont see any characters defeating juubi, making moon, creating ninjutsu or splitting bijuu

this. i just still think that so6p would kill every1 in 1v1..

 

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[Tosen]

Just in case people start jumping to conclusion, Madara can't beat the ten tails until kishi prove it otherwise. he can control it, that's a whole different thing. he doesn't have anything in his arsenal to do so, maybe the rinnegan, but nagato had it and was a better user than him, and struggle to beat the sixth tail naruto, and to hold the eighth tail. So the answer is no. Amaterasu maybe, tsukuyomi nope, the tails is a vast asenal of chakras. Susanoos maybe can do damage, but i don't it would be able to seal the ten tails. The ten tails bomb would vanquish both susanoo and him in one blast. So the anwer is no.

Nagato was near death and battled an entire village along with ma and pa with 3 huge summons and was also using a dead puppet from a distance and he still beat 6 to 8 tail kyuubi mode Naruto. If it had been a fully healthy Nagato even the full kyuubi would have been killed.

 

[Tosen]

I always assumed that pre juubi sage of 6 paths was around Nagato,Tobi, and Madara level. And for all we know the sage could been getting his ass kicked until he used a once in a chance lifetime sealing technique.

My guess is
SO6P (with juubi) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SO6P (without juubi) > or = Tobi,Madara and Nagato