[Spoilers] Rukia vs Toshiro?

[ShiroT]

Spoiler for those who arent up to date with bleach.

As you hopefully know rukia got her new bakia freezes everything blah blah blah, buuuuuuut perople are saying she can beat toshiro with her bankia because she can freeze him, FREEZE him, a ICE dragon the nonsense. Not to mention he has the strongest ice bankia. What is your opinion on this?

 

[The7thHokage]

Toshiro takes this, Rukia's Bankai can kill her, while Toshiro's wont.

But I say high deff.

 

[409fusion]

Toshiro over-kill

 

[Lucidus]

the problem is we dont no how much ice still effects each of them.. toshiro who is used to the ice might not be as effected as rukia..

this could go either way but im gonna bare in mind that toshiro has still not fully developed his bankai since he is still young

 

[Ouroboros]

Toshiro would win. I don't see Rukia beating him even in bankai.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

What? Rukia can take this probably with just Shikai, her Bankai is overkill.

 

[ShiroT]

What? Rukia can take this probably with just Shikai, her Bankai is overkill.

what a shikai can not beat a bankai

 

[Forbidden Tale]

what a shikai can not beat a bankai

Where did you get that?

 

[ShiroT]

Where did you get that?

a bankais spiritual pressure is on a whole nother level then a shikai

 

[Forbidden Tale]

a bankais spiritual pressure is on a whole nother level then a shikai

That apply to same user. Toshiro's bankai > Toshiro's shikai, not that Toshiro's bankai > Rukia's shikai.

Aizen without shikai, just unreleased Zanpakuto beat bankai Ichigo.
Aizen with shikai beat Bankai Hitsugaya.

 

[ShiroT]

That apply to same user. Toshiro's bankai > Toshiro's shikai, not that Toshiro's bankai > Rukia's shikai.

Aizen without shikai, just unreleased Zanpakuto beat bankai Ichigo.
Aizen with shikai beat Bankai Hitsugaya.

aizen was stronger than the head captian also toshiro beat espade #3 while rukia almost died fighting number 10. this proves that toshiro had more spirit pressure than rukia which means his bankia > her shikai. Even if she is stronger she cant fight equally with just a shikai as he got stronger to. Also beat a quince without a bankai and rukia had to use hers lol

 

[Forbidden Tale]

aizen was stronger than the head captian also toshiro beat espade #3 while rukia almost died fighting number 10. this proves that toshiro had more spirit pressure than rukia which means his bankia > her shikai. Even if she is stronger she cant fight equally with just a shikai as he got stronger to. Also beat a quince without a bankai and rukia had to use hers lol

1. Where did you get that Aizen was stronger than Yamamoto?
2. It still prove my point of someone's shikai > someone's bankai.
3. Rukia grow much stronger after training with RG, than Toshiro.
4. Kyoraku in the end beat Primera with just shikai, Toshiro needed bankai to beat Tercera, by power level it mean that Shikai Kyoraku > Bankai Toshiro.

 

[ShiroT]

1. Where did you get that Aizen was stronger than Yamamoto?
2. It still prove my point of someone's shikai > someone's bankai.
3. Rukia grow much stronger after training with RG, than Toshiro.
4. Kyoraku in the end beat Primera with just shikai, Toshiro needed bankai to beat Tercera, by power level it mean that Shikai Kyoraku > Bankai Toshiro.

1. aizen was stronger then all the captions during that fight and if not stronger than the head caption around the same level
2. The difference in strength was to great aizen was stronger than all of them except maybe tha head t that point.
3. You have no proof, toshiro trained to the point where he got his ice back, which shows that he trained as hard as everybody else.
4.lol are you even thinking about the power differences im not saying that a bankai cant be beaten by a shikai, yes it if the person if on a whole different level than his openont. When people are around the same level a shikai's strength can not equal a bankais. Your hyping rukia up and to think her shikai is enough to beat a caption who's been training this whole time like everybody else is just . . .:vincent:

 

[Forbidden Tale]

3. You have no proof toshiro trained to the point where he got his ice back, which shows that he trained as hard as everybody else.

Before RG training in first invasion i will agree that Toshiro (with Shikai) was stronger than Rukia, but she surpassed him after training with RG.
Rukia was able to beat Schrift As Nodt with just Shikai, Toshiro was defeated by Shrift Bazz-B with just 2 fingers (and he have 10 of them)

4.lol are you even thinking about the power differences im not saying that a bankai cant be beaten by a shikai, yes it if the person if on a whole different level than his openont. When people are around the same level a shikai's strength can not equal a bankais. Your hyping rukia up and to think her shikai is enough to beat a caption who's been training this whole

You said: "a bankais spiritual pressure is on a whole nother level then a shikai".
I said that Rukia can probably take him with just shikai, but for sure she can take him with bankai.

 

[ShiroT]

Before RG training in first invasion i will agree that Toshiro (with Shikai) was stronger than Rukia, but she surpassed him after training with RG.
Rukia was able to beat Schrift As Nodt with just Shikai, Toshiro was defeated by Shrift Bazz-B with just 2 fingers (and he have 10 of them)



You said: "a bankais spiritual pressure is on a whole nother level then a shikai".
I said that Rukia can probably take him with just shikai, but for sure she can take him with bankai.

if she could beat him she would need her bankai lol surpassed doesnt mean your leagues ahead of them. And no she beat him with her bankai thats how we saw it because she revealed it to win the match . . . .and toshiro lost to somebody who said his flames were stronger than the head captions while he only had a shikia so ofcourse he would lose. When he got his bankai he beat cang just like rukia needed her bankai do beat as nodt.

Take him how, she's going to freeze him? he fights with ice on him and his spiritul pressure makes the surrounding cold he would have to be used to the cold . But sure she's going to freeze ice.

before that fight rukia was strugling with a espade 10 and toshiro beat a 3. So your saying in the time they both trained rukia got stong enough to not only beat all of toshiro's opponents but would be stronger than him.

that doesnt make sense if rukia say if we gave rukia a number at 3 and toshiro 6. if they BOTH trained and rukia got to say 7 or 8 toshiro training would put him adleast at 8-10. So no lol her shikai beating his bankai isnt even believable while i still think he beats her bankai vs bankai

 

[Braveknight]

they already said toshiro have the strongest ice based bankai.

 

[Braveknight]

1. Where did you get that Aizen was stronger than Yamamoto?
2. It still prove my point of someone's shikai > someone's bankai.
3. Rukia grow much stronger after training with RG, than Toshiro.
4. Kyoraku in the end beat Primera with just shikai, Toshiro needed bankai to beat Tercera, by power level it mean that Shikai Kyoraku > Bankai Toshiro.

are you 4ucking kidding me? for real?

Lord-Aizen could have fodderised all of the capitens, even yamamoto him self

small prove? he went out of yamamoto's suicide attack without any damage happens to him except ripping his cloth, so please.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

if she could beat him she would need her bankai lol surpassed doesnt mean your leagues ahead of them. And no she beat him with her bankai thats how we saw it because she revealed it to win the match . . . .and toshiro lost to somebody who said his flames were stronger than the head captions while he only had a shikia so ofcourse he would lose. When he got his bankai he beat cang just like rukia needed her bankai do beat as nodt.

Take him how, she's going to freeze him? he fights with ice on him and his spiritul pressure makes the surrounding cold he would have to be used to the cold . But sure she's going to freeze ice.

before that fight rukia was strugling with a espade 10 and toshiro beat a 3. So your saying in the time they both trained rukia got stong enough to not only beat all of toshiro's opponents but would be stronger than him.

that doesnt make sense if rukia say if we gave rukia a number at 3 and toshiro 6. if they BOTH trained and rukia got to say 7 or 8 toshiro training would put him adleast at 8-10. So no lol her shikai beating his bankai isnt even believable while i still think he beats her bankai vs bankai

1. I said Schrift, it means without Vollstandig -.-
2. He again beat Schrift Cang Du, he didn't use Vollstandig, Cang Du would easily beat him with Vollstandig.
3. There is no proff that Toshiro would survive -273.5 degreces and her bankai is probably even colder.
4. Are you moron? Rukia trained with RG, Toshiro trained with some fodder instructor.
5. It makes sense because Rukia trained with Royal Guard.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

are you 4ucking kidding me? for real?

Lord-Aizen could have fodderised all of the capitens, even yamamoto him self

small prove? he went out of yamamoto's suicide attack without any damage happens to him except ripping his cloth, so please.

Aizen said that Yamamoto with just Ryujin Jakka is stronger than him.
Ryujin Jakka alone > Base Aizen
After feeling Aizen's reiatsu (Shinigami's fights are fights of reiatsu), Yamamoto was pretty sure that can beat him without zanpakuto.
Zanpakutoless Yamamaoto (just Shunpo/hakuda/kido) > Base Aizen
Also Zanka no Tachi Yamamoto > Hyogaku Aizen.

Margela is the one who save him from that attack, not Aizen himself.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

if she could beat him she would need her bankai lol surpassed doesnt mean your leagues ahead of them. And no she beat him with her bankai thats how we saw it because she revealed it to win the match . . . .and toshiro lost to somebody who said his flames were stronger than the head captions while he only had a shikia so ofcourse he would lose. When he got his bankai he beat cang just like rukia needed her bankai do beat as nodt.

Take him how, she's going to freeze him? he fights with ice on him and his spiritul pressure makes the surrounding cold he would have to be used to the cold . But sure she's going to freeze ice.

before that fight rukia was strugling with a espade 10 and toshiro beat a 3. So your saying in the time they both trained rukia got stong enough to not only beat all of toshiro's opponents but would be stronger than him.

that doesnt make sense if rukia say if we gave rukia a number at 3 and toshiro 6. if they BOTH trained and rukia got to say 7 or 8 toshiro training would put him adleast at 8-10. So no lol her shikai beating his bankai isnt even believable while i still think he beats her bankai vs bankai

Lol you got things all wrong first off aizen was not stronger than Yama at all that's why he made wonder wiess so he could take away Yama flames...second bazz-b flames won't stronger than Yama's lol did you not see Yama take him down with one attack along with two other Quincy...yea rukia had to use bankai cuz asnodt went vollstanding while hitsugiya needed bankai just to beat a base Chang-du.

Yea he's used to his ice being around him don't mean he can't freeze rukia reaches the temperature of absolute zero that's way colder than hitsugiya ice is..hitsugiya don't fight with ice covering his hole body...an did you see how she easily blitz asnodt he even lost sight of her she has gotten faster aswell.

Rukia had special training you see how mask Quincy S beat renji ass the first invasion but after renji had his training he completely trashed letter S like it was nothing..royal guard training is way above any training hitsugiya has done...an yea rukia would trash every opponent hitsugiya has ever fought...even Byakuya acknowledged her spiritual pressure.

Like I said before rukia training was way more special than any training hitsugiya has ever been threw...

An wat do you mean he trained to the point where he got his ice back?..he never lost it they only stole their bankai's they could still use shikai after the fact.