[Suggestion] RP - New Custom Curse Mode

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I know I know, this is just like my previous suggestion for Custom Sage Mode.

Anyways, we know there are two curse seals used in the RP - Curse Seal of Heaven & Curse Seal of Earth. It makes sense to have the two as they are opposites, but I think we can consider a third option.

Both Curse Seals have the same effects with the primary difference being that the Curse Seal of Heaven increase Ninjutsu while Curse Seal of Earth increases Taijutsu.

For this reason, I would like to suggest a Curse Seal of Hell (Feel free to change the name if not acceptable) which has the same effects but increases Genjutsu.

***NO OTHER CUSTOM CURSE MODES. ONLY THIS AS IN ADDITION***
I found this image on DeviantArt, so that's where the idea came from

Lemme know what you think =D
(Remember to be respectful U_U)
 

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Well, Curse Mark improves your chakra, thus more powerful Ninjutsu, and your physical prowess, thus more powerful Taijutsu.

You don't get better Genjutsu by upping either of those, it's an intricate skill that doesn't go there by brute force, which is what the Curse Mark primarily is
 

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Well, Curse Mark improves your chakra, thus more powerful Ninjutsu, and your physical prowess, thus more powerful Taijutsu.

You don't get better Genjutsu by upping either of those, it's an intricate skill that doesn't go there by brute force, which is what the Curse Mark primarily is
Yeah, I sorta saw the problem with that right after I posted lol
 

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Well, Curse Mark improves your chakra, thus more powerful Ninjutsu, and your physical prowess, thus more powerful Taijutsu.

You don't get better Genjutsu by upping either of those, it's an intricate skill that doesn't go there by brute force, which is what the Curse Mark primarily is
I don't think that's true. Genjutsu works by manipulating your chakra with the opponent's. The more chakra you use, the more manipulation you can do, the more complex the Genjutsu is. That's why Genjutsu like Tsukiyomi and Izanagi make your chakra dip so much. The manga also indicated that Sasuke's CM helped him break Tsukiyomi, so it could have some kind of affect on Genjutsu. I doubt the suggestion will be approved and I'm not too hot for it myself, but what he says does make some sense.
 

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I don't think that's true. Genjutsu works by manipulating your chakra with the opponent's. The more chakra you use, the more manipulation you can do, the more complex the Genjutsu is. That's why Genjutsu like Tsukiyomi and Izanagi make your chakra dip so much. The manga also indicated that Sasuke's CM helped him break Tsukiyomi, so it could have some kind of affect on Genjutsu. I doubt the suggestion will be approved and I'm not too hot for it myself, but what he says does make some sense.
You can't squeeze a bottle of paint and expect it to create Mona Lisa. Regardless of how hard you do it.
 

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You can't squeeze a bottle of paint and expect it to create Mona Lisa. Regardless of how hard you do it.
With one bottle? Of course not. You're gonna need a lot of bottles, and a lot of painting skill. A lot of chakra, and a lot of chakra manipulation skill to make the Mona Lisa of Genjutsu. The signs point to CM and chakra amount influencing Genjutsu in one way or another, it's not impossible.
 
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With one bottle? Of course not. You're gonna need a lot of bottles, and a lot of painting skill. A lot of chakra, and a lot of chakra manipulation skill to make the Mona Lisa of Genjutsu. The signs point to CM and chakra amount influencing Genjutsu in one way or another, it's not impossible.
It's about how you implement that chakra boost. Curse Mark is too violent for Genjutsu. The best it could do is increase the damage of the Genjutsu, which would make it more noticeable and less effective, unless you want to use it as mental torture. It has it's effects, but why create something specifically for Genjutsu when it isn't the best fit?
 

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It's about how you implement that chakra boost. Curse Mark is too violent for Genjutsu. The best it could do is increase the damage of the Genjutsu, which would make it more noticeable and less effective, unless you want to use it as mental torture. It has it's effects, but why create something specifically for Genjutsu when it isn't the best fit?
Sounds fine to me. Genjutsu deals with mental damage, it's not physical. If the pain you feel makes the Genjutsu so obvious, then it doesn't matter that it's obvious. If the pain aka damage is already inflicted by the time you realize why, then there's nothing you can do about it unless you can make your jutsu time travel. Besides, by this logic, 90% of Sharingan jutsu, including these:

(Doujutsu: Chuubo no Yuuku) – Eye Technique: Paralyzing Fear
Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short – Mid
Chakra cost: 20
Damage points: N/A
Description: The user will cast a Genjutsu upon the target in which they will see a shadowy figure appear infront of them bearing the Sharingan and then the figure will grow to an enormous size over shadowing the target in pitch-black darkness. The figure will then grab hold of the target and then will cover them in black threads, leaving them paralyzed for a period of time. (This was shown by sasuke against Shi)
Note: Must have tomoe 3 to use and paralyzing effects last 1 turn.

Doujutsu: Hazumi no Reikon) - Eye Technique: Bound by Soul Technique
Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short - Mid
Chakra cost: 20
Damage points: N/A
Description: The user will cast a genjutsu that immobilizes the target. In the genjutsu the target is bound to a leaf spinning around in the dark. This technique temporarily binds the target leaving them open to attack. (this technique is shown when sasuke tried to bind killer bee in genjutsu but to ill effect from being released by his bijuu).
Note: Must have tomo 3 sharingan and bind lasting 1 turn.

( Dōjutsu: Jigokuken ) - Eye Technique: Sword Hell
Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 20
Damage points: N/A
Descrption: The user casts the illusion upon the opponent where the surroundings similary to Tsukiyomi go black and white and swords then begin levitating around the user and the opponent spinning around before the user then manipulates the swords to peirce the opponents body. The initial attack causes mental damage and temporarily paralyses the opponents body restricting their overall performance. (paralysing lasts 1 turn)
Note: Can only be used with tomo 3 sharingan.

would be utterly useless as it would take a retarded or blind bio to not be able to tell what's happening is Genjutsu. And there's an obvious correlation between power and chakra output in the RP regarding Genjutsu. Otherwise, why else would A-rank take more chakra and deal more damage than a B-rank illusion?
 

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Sounds fine to me. Genjutsu deals with mental damage, it's not physical. If the pain you feel makes the Genjutsu so obvious, then it doesn't matter that it's obvious. If the pain aka damage is already inflicted by the time you realize why, then there's nothing you can do about it unless you can make your jutsu time travel. Besides, by this logic, 90% of Sharingan jutsu, including these:

(Doujutsu: Chuubo no Yuuku) – Eye Technique: Paralyzing Fear
Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short – Mid
Chakra cost: 20
Damage points: N/A
Description: The user will cast a Genjutsu upon the target in which they will see a shadowy figure appear infront of them bearing the Sharingan and then the figure will grow to an enormous size over shadowing the target in pitch-black darkness. The figure will then grab hold of the target and then will cover them in black threads, leaving them paralyzed for a period of time. (This was shown by sasuke against Shi)
Note: Must have tomoe 3 to use and paralyzing effects last 1 turn.

Doujutsu: Hazumi no Reikon) - Eye Technique: Bound by Soul Technique
Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short - Mid
Chakra cost: 20
Damage points: N/A
Description: The user will cast a genjutsu that immobilizes the target. In the genjutsu the target is bound to a leaf spinning around in the dark. This technique temporarily binds the target leaving them open to attack. (this technique is shown when sasuke tried to bind killer bee in genjutsu but to ill effect from being released by his bijuu).
Note: Must have tomo 3 sharingan and bind lasting 1 turn.

( Dōjutsu: Jigokuken ) - Eye Technique: Sword Hell
Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 20
Damage points: N/A
Descrption: The user casts the illusion upon the opponent where the surroundings similary to Tsukiyomi go black and white and swords then begin levitating around the user and the opponent spinning around before the user then manipulates the swords to peirce the opponents body. The initial attack causes mental damage and temporarily paralyses the opponents body restricting their overall performance. (paralysing lasts 1 turn)
Note: Can only be used with tomo 3 sharingan.

would be utterly useless as it would take a retarded or blind bio to not be able to tell what's happening is Genjutsu. And there's an obvious correlation between power and chakra output in the RP regarding Genjutsu. Otherwise, why else would A-rank take more chakra and deal more damage than a B-rank illusion?
90% of the Genjutsu do not have damage. Damage in genjutsu comes from chakra disrupting and putting pressure on the brain past what it can handle. Genjutsu's purpose is, more often than not, something other than to cause pain. If you suddenly have every jutsu cause pain, sure you're already doing it before your opponent can impede it, but after he does, your genjutsu served nothing but to cause him a slight headache and make him spend a little chakra. That's a useless Genjutsu, in the most cases.

Of course stronger Genjutsu are genjutsu that induce their illusion through more chakra, but if you have a set genjutsu and simply pump up the chakra, the precise pressure that you needed in order to cause an illusion will be shattered. Engrossing the area of pressure is also going to alter more areas of the brain than what you intended, causing distorted illusions and pain.

You can make better and stronger genjutsu by increasing the rank, like something that strengthens your chakra or something that increases your knowledge of the brain. But you can't get that by the power boost that Curse Mark gives you, because it's ruder and more physical than the skillset required by Genjutsu.
 

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It actually kinda exists as well. You can choose how your curse mark of heaven or earth looks like, as well as the transformations to add some uniqueness to your seal. The genjusu increase would be pretty pointless to be honest.
 

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It actually kinda exists as well. You can choose how your curse mark of heaven or earth looks like, as well as the transformations to add some uniqueness to your seal. The genjusu increase would be pretty pointless to be honest.
That is also true, you can select the effects of either the Heaven or the Earth curse mark, while chosing whatever appearance you want the markings and your transformations to have. But his idea was to change the effects, not just the appearance.
 

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I like it, something it seems they took away was a custom CM... CM used to be very unique, now its just shit.. Example, Icemyster has or had a CM lvl 2 on his Torune bio (Nano beetles) and if i remember correct we he activated that CM lvl 2 he could phase his whole body to nano bugs, send them off like a swarm of nano bugs. Its really obvious each CM does different shit

Kidomaro Lvl 2 Curse mark pratically turns him into a dinosaur
Sasuke grows wings
Kidomaru gains an extra eye and his eye sight increase tenfold, etc
 

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I appreciate the idea tbh. At first glance, it seems possible, feasible and somewhat balanced. But it has many faults in it when looked in detail:

-Like Lili pointed out, Genjutsu isn't a skill in which more chakra = stronger effects. Its not exactly like that. More chakra would indeed allow a greater hold of the genjutsu in a person but that can't be translated into the RP. Why? Releasing a genjutsu is done in relation to its rank. Allowing something to increase the grab of a genjutsu on someone means allowing something that by default increases the rank of genjutsu. Now, this has tons of issues. For one, genjutsu that are A-Rank most of the times wouldn't ever be approved if they were S-Rank as they would break the game. Same can't be said of Ninjutsu techniques for the most part. Also, any S-Rank genjutsu would become virtually unreleasable and unstoppable. You need to spend more chakra when using a high ranked genjutsu because of its details, its complexity. Using more chakra with Genjutsu is a byproduct of its complexity not a direct relation with the damage it does. When you mention the concept of Sharingan in that whole argument it became apparent you dismiss something quite crucial: Sharingan is a KG linked to Yin Release. All of the abilities shown from the Sharingan itself revolve around enforcing your will and making it take form. This form is lifeless, because its not real. Not tangible. But what you make others see is bound to your own will and imagination; its a product of it. Thats more or less the definition of Yin Release. Thats the reason why Sharingan Genjutsu is treated separately from normal Genjutsu. Because its powered by a KG that revolves around a core skill, Yin Release. Genjutsu itself is, however, simply sensory manipulation. Its creating false images and sensations on enemies. Nothing more. So overall, there is a disconnect between how a CM would translate into an increase in Genjutsu power or damage.

-CM is something devised by Oro using Jugo's dna. He creates a seal in the subject which contains jugo's DNA. When you release the seal partially or completely, the DNA begins to absorb Natural Energy in a rampant and incontrollable way. This leads to what can be seen as a pseudo or lesser version of a Sage Mode. A forced absorption and assimilation of Natural Energy. Now, Natural energy increases the potency of your chakra which translates into stronger Ninjutsu or Taijutsu by either augmenting one or the other. Natural energy itself seems to have no real effect in Genjutsu power or ability apart from potencially releasing you from one in some cases. Jiraya knew about Genjutsu and was able to use low forms of it. Yet, when in Sage mode, despite the enormous increase in his abilities, he was still not proficient enough with it to be of any use. The toads themselves, always in a state of sage mode, used a powerful Genjutsu but a Genjutsu with nothing different that other Genjutsu. An illusion. Strong, yes, but it was used by 2 individuals at once and we have no way of knowing if it was already strong on itself or not.

-Sasuke breaking from Itachi's Genjutsu had nothing to do with his CM. In the imaginary world he released his CM but not in reality. In reality, he fought his brothers illusion with his own visual prowess. It was hinted that old saying that a skilled man with a broom is more deadly than a weak man with a sword. Sasuke was simply more skilled with his own 3T to the point that he could break the MS grade illusion his brother used.



Zetsu notes clearly that to his own eyes, they haven't moved. Nothing happens. All that we see before and after are within their own minds, in Genjutsu.





You can see that in reality, once Sasuke releases himself from the illusion, he isn't transformed. CM was simply how his mind manifested itself in the illusion to release it.

-Adding something like that would, in the long run, cause tons of trouble. A CM is something you can add to a plettora of bios by default. Imagine that is added to a Kurama bio. Real Genjutsu that is stronger? We cannot forget the amount of Gen approved over the years that would become one hit knockouts.

-If you have a CM, you can already submit in the bio itself, the custom look of how you'll seem once you fully transform. But thats the limit of it. You cannot add more abilities than those already granted by the CM itself. You can only add a cosmetic feel to it. Nothing more.

Sorry but I don't agree with this.
 
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