[Suggestion] RP - Kekkei Genkai Bonus

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I'd like to suggest adding an, extremely beneficial, ability for all Elemental KG users.

My idea is that KG users should be allowed to utilize the elements that make up their KG at once. Or at least, they can perform one element, and then perform the other element whilst the previous element is still active. I will now explain my reasoning for this suggestion.

As stated in the series by Yamato and Kakashi, the only elements that actually exist are the Basic 5 elements (Fire | Wind | Lightning | Earth | Water). Yamato goes on further to explain how Advanced Elements are simply the creation of two chakra elements being moulded at the same time. (For Reference, Refer to Chapter 316 Pages 5-8)

It should be noted that higher ranking ninja are able to utilize other elements separately with ease. However, only those with Kekkei Genkai are able "to control two elements simultaneously and create a new element to manipulate". This is done by moulding both elemental chakra natures within the body at once. What I would like to emphasize is the ability of KG users allow them to utilize elements simultaneously. It seems as though when using an advanced element, the only necessary thing to be done is to combine the basic elements at the same time. However, if one were to use one element first, and then use their second element whilst the other one was active, the advanced element wouldn't be created. Rather, the two elements would simply be present at the same time.

As an example, let us take the case of Storm Release. Storm Release is composed of Water and Lightning. If one were to first mould their water chakra independently, and then mould their lightning chakra afterwards (but while the water was still being moulded) the user would simply have two elements being produced at the same time. However, if one were to mould both at the same beginning time, then Storm Release would be created. This is clearly proven to be true by Darui. (Fore Reference, Refer to Chapter 461 Page 2)

With this information, I'd like to move that Elemental KG users should be allowed to utilize the elements that compose their KG at the same time. It should be made clear though, this does not mean KG users can create both of their elements at the same starting time. Doing so would instead create their KG. However, if a streaming elemental technique is used, a KG user should be able to utilize their other element after and while the streaming technique is active (without disrupting it either).

References:

— Explanation of Creation & Manipulation of Advanced Elemental Natures
Chapter 316 Page 5-8 [ ]
— Explicit Proof of Capability to Utilize Two Elemental Natures Simultaneously
Chapter 461 Page 2 [ ]

Lemme know what you think =D
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Erhh.. that's already the case o-o for reference..

(Raiton: Kangekiha) – Lightning Release: Wave of Inspiration
Rank: B
Type: Offensive
Range: Short-Long
Chakra cost: 20
Damage point: 40 (+20 to Water Technique)
Description: After doing the Rabbit → Dog → Boar → Ram → Rat hand seals, the user generates a large amount of lightning from their hands, which can then be either released in an unfocused manner or passed through conductive materials to improve the electrical power of the technique, namely in conjunction with Water Techniques. In fact, certain users have showed that its possible to, if the user has the ability to mold both Water and Lightning chakras at the same time (for example, Darui who has Storm Release), unleash this particular technique at the same time as they exhale/spit some water technique (which needs to consist of a stream of water), combining both in a seemingly consecutive move. Other ninjas will need to use a clone or an ally for the same effect.
 

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Although logical, I think it would bring an unfair advantage timeframe wise against members that don't have KG abilities. Also if that were the case, we would also have to take a look at the interaction that CE plays into all this, as it's almost the same thing as well.
 

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Erhh.. that's already the case o-o for reference..

(Raiton: Kangekiha) – Lightning Release: Wave of Inspiration
Rank: B
Type: Offensive
Range: Short-Long
Chakra cost: 20
Damage point: 40 (+20 to Water Technique)
Description: After doing the Rabbit → Dog → Boar → Ram → Rat hand seals, the user generates a large amount of lightning from their hands, which can then be either released in an unfocused manner or passed through conductive materials to improve the electrical power of the technique, namely in conjunction with Water Techniques. In fact, certain users have showed that its possible to, if the user has the ability to mold both Water and Lightning chakras at the same time (for example, Darui who has Storm Release), unleash this particular technique at the same time as they exhale/spit some water technique (which needs to consist of a stream of water), combining both in a seemingly consecutive move. Other ninjas will need to use a clone or an ally for the same effect.
Yes, but I've been told that it won't work in other situations, and that instance is a jutsu exclusive.

Although logical, I think it would bring an unfair advantage timeframe wise against members that don't have KG abilities. Also if that were the case, we would also have to take a look at the interaction that CE plays into all this, as it's almost the same thing as well.
Well, it is specifically stated that CEs are not being the same as KGs. But, obviously the creation would have to be the same. However, considering CEs were an RP exclusive, as opposed to a series's technique, I don't think they should be considered.
 
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Although logical, I think it would bring an unfair advantage timeframe wise against members that don't have KG abilities. Also if that were the case, we would also have to take a look at the interaction that CE plays into all this, as it's almost the same thing as well.
That's kinda what makes this RP. Certain abilities give you advantages and that's why you go after them and get stronger with them.
 

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That's kinda what makes this RP. Certain abilities give you advantages and that's why you go after them and get stronger with them.
Yea

If my memory is correct this is what mastery of Yin/Yang, in our RP, allows you to do.
That is no longer an ability in the RP.
Like he said, and also, while Yin/Yang allowed users to utilize ANY two elements at once, I'm only suggesting to only allow the simultaneous use of the elements that compose their KG. So a Storm user could utilize Water and Lightning at the same time, but they couldn’t do lightning and fire at the same time
 

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Yea


Like he said, and also, while Yin/Yang allowed users to utilize ANY two elements at once, I'm only suggesting to only allow the simultaneous use of the elements that compose their KG. So a Storm user could utilize Water and Lightning at the same time, but they couldn’t do lightning and fire at the same time
Wouldn't/ shouldn't Y/Y user be allowed the to flow all/ any element of their choice as if it would be a rainbow out of their mouths. I find that CE users are like KG users for the very same core making the KG are made. It's illogical to just consider them being different, when they are rooted. I might find a rebuttal that as for CE you can mix 4 elements which is Op'ed to consider as the user would be allowed to flow counter with 4 elements streamed, which Indeed is Op'ed. So...
 

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I'd like to suggest adding an, extremely beneficial, ability for all Elemental KG users.

My idea is that KG users should be allowed to utilize the elements that make up their KG at once. Or at least, they can perform one element, and then perform the other element whilst the previous element is still active. I will now explain my reasoning for this suggestion.

As stated in the series by Yamato and Kakashi, the only elements that actually exist are the Basic 5 elements (Fire | Wind | Lightning | Earth | Water). Yamato goes on further to explain how Advanced Elements are simply the creation of two chakra elements being moulded at the same time. (For Reference, Refer to Chapter 316 Pages 5-8)

It should be noted that higher ranking ninja are able to utilize other elements separately with ease. However, only those with Kekkei Genkai are able "to control two elements simultaneously and create a new element to manipulate". This is done by moulding both elemental chakra natures within the body at once. What I would like to emphasize is the ability of KG users allow them to utilize elements simultaneously. It seems as though when using an advanced element, the only necessary thing to be done is to combine the basic elements at the same time. However, if one were to use one element first, and then use their second element whilst the other one was active, the advanced element wouldn't be created. Rather, the two elements would simply be present at the same time.

As an example, let us take the case of Storm Release. Storm Release is composed of Water and Lightning. If one were to first mould their water chakra independently, and then mould their lightning chakra afterwards (but while the water was still being moulded) the user would simply have two elements being produced at the same time. However, if one were to mould both at the same beginning time, then Storm Release would be created. This is clearly proven to be true by Darui. (Fore Reference, Refer to Chapter 461 Page 2)

With this information, I'd like to move that Elemental KG users should be allowed to utilize the elements that compose their KG at the same time. It should be made clear though, this does not mean KG users can create both of their elements at the same starting time. Doing so would instead create their KG. However, if a streaming elemental technique is used, a KG user should be able to utilize their other element after and while the streaming technique is active (without disrupting it either).

References:

— Explanation of Creation & Manipulation of Advanced Elemental Natures
Chapter 316 Page 5-8 [ ]
— Explicit Proof of Capability to Utilize Two Elemental Natures Simultaneously
Chapter 461 Page 2 [ ]

Lemme know what you think =D
(Remember to be respectful U_U)
Why revoke the ability to simultaneously user two elements if they were going to reintroduce that exact same thing again??

In terms of Y/Y, it was being reworked by Reborn and Scorps. New rules are a mix of the old NB Y/Y, along with the canon, manga version. At this point I've heard that the new rules are pretty much done and should be released soon.

As for the suggestion, this was actually discussed a while back.





Like Scorps said, the situation is dependent on the nature of the jutsu being used. It would only work with jutsu specifically meant to empower each other.

Also, you guys forget that molding two natures at the same time is different from using two techniques at the same time. We don't make it a general rule because people would simply abuse it and use 2 techniques at the same time. Wind Rasengan + Fire Stream = Ubber Fire/Wind Rasengan. Thats not how it works. You need techniques that were specifically designed for that effect and that allow the simultaneous use with another. Some are only possible when used by given ninjas (like storm & WOI) others by everyone (like the earth mud dragon & fire combo). Should there be a linear rule for it? Yeah but the manga isn't linear in its description of it so we can't really make it equal in all situations but simply deal with each one individually and this was the reasoning found.
 

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From that point, I guess what could be done is we have those who have KG/ CE users, be able to use two of their elemental jutsu(not of the same element) plus 2 other jutsu of their choice. While for the Y|Y users, be able to do just about the same thing but with any element. I.e, User-A post's two jutsus(lightening & Water) for their KG is storm then as an add on their post to Ninjutsu jutsu a total of 4 jutsus used.
 

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Misconceptions:

-You confuse molding your chakra into 2 different natures at the same time with using 2 techniques at the same time
-You confuse "specific techniques" with "all techniques"
-You don't take into account that KG users use their chakra and mold it into 2 natures to compose a new one. This has been hinted to not always be "controlable". Its likely that despite having Earth and Water because you use Wood, you might not be able to mold your chakra into those 2 natures at the same time and keep them separate.


Taking all of this into consideration, you can mold those elements pertaining to your KG at the same time but only if:

a) its techniques that allow you to do so
b) its feasible and possible to do so
c) doesn't break the time frame as you'll always need to initiate one technique and only afterwards, release the second one. This means that the combo, albeit happening in a fast succession will always take longer than using a single technique.

So the issue is mute considering it has been discussed and decided before.
 
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