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The fact that you say restrictions can easily be made, means you don't really have an idea how to balance things out. You can't just stick "has to be a sensei and sage rank" or something like that on everything. >_>


Personally I'm really not for the idea. Apart from that, it would cut even more of our time into working on this instead of other things we have planned.
This is merely a suggestion. I understand it would take time, I mean, it's implementing a new system to the RP, of course it will increase work. That is given. But the restriction thing is also not an issue.

Sure I'm just throwing out ideas for how to restrict, but it's just that simple. If you say, you need to meet these requirements before being able to make a custom Sage Mode, then that's all you have to do. The people can't apply if they don't meet the requirements, if they do, they can. What more is there to think about?

The specifics of the requirements need to be decided, that is for sure, but once it's settled, you just list what the restrictions are and don't need to worry past that.

I'm sorry to come off as condescending, but can you tell me why we can't just "stick 'has to be a sensei and sage rank' or something like that"?
 

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I think it would be cool for custom summoning contracts; like for example, a weaker version of SM of course where it could be the final jutsu. But to make sure its not too common, it should be an ability one can submit once all ten summonings are made or something. (i think it was ten summonings max, if i recall correctly)
 

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Even without having experienced the work that comes with being a Moderator on this site I'd still like to make the argument that scrapping an idea simply because it is too time-consuming is a very unfortunate approach to new ideas in general. The RP community at large would not object to giving a helping hand, I'm sure.
Off-topic things aside; as a... veteran, I suppose, of this site I'd also argue that you can, indeed, balance things out by slapping 'has to be a Sensei' on something. Sure, some will hate it, but if, in your opinion, it's either that or not doing it at all I'd prefer the former.
While it is your right to make that argument, it is very ignorant to make it. It's not only the fact that it is time consuming (which in itself is worded incorrectly, it makes us cut up our time on projects we already have. In itself it is not the most time consuming thing, but it's not worth it to stop/cut back working on what we are busy with now). Letting the RP community help is always a noble thing and tbh, most of the time if we do it, in the end we'll just configure it again to how we like it, and now how the community likes it. The reason for that is because the community likes it as another big fat op skill in their arsenal.

Seems like it's working well enough for Sound Release, Mangekyo, Custom Mangekyo, Madara, Obito, Hashirama, Orochimaru, Minato, Naruto, normal Sage Mode, Kabuto, Nagato, Six Paths of Pein *voice trails off*

Abuse and misuse comes when there's a lack of restrictions. Simply have that there needs to be permission here, a rank there, a test maybe right over here, but not too far to the left, that's where I keep my dresses, and it'd work as fine as everything else that's here.
You can use the rank as an extra restriction, my point was that you can not merely use that as a restriction. Saying someone should be a sage in itself is not a restriction enough, nor is being a sensei a good one, which I'll explain below.

It's also still unclear to me if Jakai means a custom canon, or full custom. Reading his initial post, I assume full custom. Taking the MS as an example means we'll have to make it a lot harder to get SM in the first place. You need to take into account that these are "powerful" (quotation marks as powerful is very subjective. It might not seem powerful to you, when it does to me), meaning we'd have to restrict how you get it similarly to how you get MS (or more?). Would it be worth it for members to basically not get basic SM, just so others could submit a custom SM? Let's be honest, at the moment getting MS isn't all too easy, not that it should be by any means, but the fact that it's customizable makes it even harder to get it, as it's taken into account when giving permission (Caliburn's thing, at least I assume he takes it into account. Can't speak for him), and probably while grading the test: though the winner has to defeat the tester so that could be voided as an argument of course.

This is merely a suggestion. I understand it would take time, I mean, it's implementing a new system to the RP, of course it will increase work. That is given. But the restriction thing is also not an issue.

Sure I'm just throwing out ideas for how to restrict, but it's just that simple. If you say, you need to meet these requirements before being able to make a custom Sage Mode, then that's all you have to do. The people can't apply if they don't meet the requirements, if they do, they can. What more is there to think about?

The specifics of the requirements need to be decided, that is for sure, but once it's settled, you just list what the restrictions are and don't need to worry past that.

I'm sorry to come off as condescending, but can you tell me why we can't just "stick 'has to be a sensei and sage rank' or something like that"?
Don't get me wrong, I love new things in the RP. I especially love new viable things in the RP. I just think the current "wave of customizing everything" suggestion that has come through isn't how to refresh and renew the RP.

It's not if they can apply or not, it's making the restrictions or requirements they need to fulfill to actually be able to apply. Like i said before: at the moment, you can just get normal SM by doing the test and passing it. That's cool imo! Let's say we allow it (for the sake of this point) so you can make custom SM. This means the standard SM itself will undergo new rules, new requirements, while SM is a canon thing and thus should be accessible to the people by means Caliburn and the other staff members see fit. I'm just saying if it ever were to get through, I'm pretty sure you'll just lower the chances of anyone getting SM in the nearby future as grading will become even more strict, as well as the fact that more requirements will be put on getting SM simply because it's a possibility to make a custom SM. After that, the CSM will need to be handled and even that one will be heavily, heavily checked. Is it worth all of that when we could just be satisfied with normal SM which is going to do pretty much the darn same thing as any custom Sage Mode. Just not bound to the actual Summoning Contract Animal. (funnily enough, I now imagine a Magikarp Sage Mode where you are uselessly splashing around doing nothing. No idea where this came from).

The whole Sensei thing is actually not that well either. Sure, if you restrict it so that you have to be a sensei people should be good enough in the RP to have it/take the test. The thing is that people will start to apply and take the sensei test just for that, while not teaching or doing the bare minimum just to get it. It creates an inflation of senseis that aren't senseis, if you understand what I mean. The MS thing as well was a semi-incentive for people to teach others. Get permission for doing something back to the community (teaching people). If you do the bare minimum, you can't say you're doing what you're supposed to do. If you don't have time to teach more than 2-3 people at once (sorry for being biased here, but having moderator duties on the site is a different thing ._.) you shouldn't be going for sensei in the first place.

TL.DR: I am not against new ideas, and I will propose it even though I'm not behind the idea. I just think you guys will loose out on more than you gain.
 

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While it is your right to make that argument, it is very ignorant to make it. It's not only the fact that it is time consuming (which in itself is worded incorrectly, it makes us cut up our time on projects we already have. In itself it is not the most time consuming thing, but it's not worth it to stop/cut back working on what we are busy with now). Letting the RP community help is always a noble thing and tbh, most of the time if we do it, in the end we'll just configure it again to how we like it, and now how the community likes it. The reason for that is because the community likes it as another big fat op skill in their arsenal.



You can use the rank as an extra restriction, my point was that you can not merely use that as a restriction. Saying someone should be a sage in itself is not a restriction enough, nor is being a sensei a good one, which I'll explain below.

It's also still unclear to me if Jakai means a custom canon, or full custom. Reading his initial post, I assume full custom. Taking the MS as an example means we'll have to make it a lot harder to get SM in the first place. You need to take into account that these are "powerful" (quotation marks as powerful is very subjective. It might not seem powerful to you, when it does to me), meaning we'd have to restrict how you get it similarly to how you get MS (or more?). Would it be worth it for members to basically not get basic SM, just so others could submit a custom SM? Let's be honest, at the moment getting MS isn't all too easy, not that it should be by any means, but the fact that it's customizable makes it even harder to get it, as it's taken into account when giving permission (Caliburn's thing, at least I assume he takes it into account. Can't speak for him), and probably while grading the test: though the winner has to defeat the tester so that could be voided as an argument of course.



Don't get me wrong, I love new things in the RP. I especially love new viable things in the RP. I just think the current "wave of customizing everything" suggestion that has come through isn't how to refresh and renew the RP.

It's not if they can apply or not, it's making the restrictions or requirements they need to fulfill to actually be able to apply. Like i said before: at the moment, you can just get normal SM by doing the test and passing it. That's cool imo! Let's say we allow it (for the sake of this point) so you can make custom SM. This means the standard SM itself will undergo new rules, new requirements, while SM is a canon thing and thus should be accessible to the people by means Caliburn and the other staff members see fit. I'm just saying if it ever were to get through, I'm pretty sure you'll just lower the chances of anyone getting SM in the nearby future as grading will become even more strict, as well as the fact that more requirements will be put on getting SM simply because it's a possibility to make a custom SM. After that, the CSM will need to be handled and even that one will be heavily, heavily checked. Is it worth all of that when we could just be satisfied with normal SM which is going to do pretty much the darn same thing as any custom Sage Mode. Just not bound to the actual Summoning Contract Animal. (funnily enough, I now imagine a Magikarp Sage Mode where you are uselessly splashing around doing nothing. No idea where this came from).

The whole Sensei thing is actually not that well either. Sure, if you restrict it so that you have to be a sensei people should be good enough in the RP to have it/take the test. The thing is that people will start to apply and take the sensei test just for that, while not teaching or doing the bare minimum just to get it. It creates an inflation of senseis that aren't senseis, if you understand what I mean. The MS thing as well was a semi-incentive for people to teach others. Get permission for doing something back to the community (teaching people). If you do the bare minimum, you can't say you're doing what you're supposed to do. If you don't have time to teach more than 2-3 people at once (sorry for being biased here, but having moderator duties on the site is a different thing ._.) you shouldn't be going for sensei in the first place.

TL.DR: I am not against new ideas, and I will propose it even though I'm not behind the idea. I just think you guys will loose out on more than you gain.
You keep saying that in order to add this you have to restrict the current SM, and I think you are going about this all wrong. All the problems you pointed out can be resolved in a very simple manner:

1. Make Custom Animal SM have absolutely no added function, purely aesthetical. Instead of frog warts and eyes, you get parrot feathers and eyes. Instead of turning your body to that of a toad, you turn into that of a tarantula. You do not receave wings nor extra arms, or, if you do, they have no functions (fly or grab more things). This is pure customization, all the abilities are exactly the same, except they are not related to toads (which are all), but allow for them to make custom techniques similar to them, basically involving their own animals and pure manipulation of natural energy, no different from already made customt techniques. There's absolutely no difference, you test for Sage Mode just the same, learn it just the same, but instead of being Toad related is animal related. Just a few teaks to make sure toad references are gone and you're done. You already have Toad, Dragon and Wood, make a custom technique with generic attributes, and let them create technique similar to Frog Kata in the custom jutsu thread, as they have already been doing custom techniques for all Sage modes anyway, w. Here's the work done for you:

Rules and Attributes:
Custom Sage Mode abilities

  • Users Physical Strength and Durability increases, as well as his speed and stamina.
  • The user's Taijutsu gains +25 damage, main elemental affinity gains +20 damage, other elemental ninjutsu gain +10 damage and Genjutsu gains +5 damage while Sage Mode is active.
  • While Sage Mode is active, the user is able to passively sense the world around them through the flow of natural energy and chakra, giving the user enhanced reflexes and perceptions
  • While Sage Mode is active, the user will take little damage from techniques C-Rank and below, and B-Rank and below Taijutsu.

Technique:

( Sennin Modo ) – Sage Mode
Rank: S
Type: Supplementary
Range: N/A
Chakra cost: 70 (adds 350 chakra, consumes -15 per turn)
Damage points: N/A
Description: The user, by standing perfectly still in a meditative focus (user must stay still for 1 turn), will draw into him natural energy which he will then blend with their own chakra adding a new dimension of power to it. By doing this, the user gains access to what is called senjutsu chakra. This new chakra allows the user to enter an empowered state called Sage Mode, which then drastically increases the strength of his techniques and his physical prowess (speed, strength, stamina, etc). This variation is know as perfect Sage Mode and was first used by Naruto, with his Toad Sage Mode, who could perfectly balance natural energy with chakra due to his unusual large chakra supply. The user gains animistic pupils and colored markings around his eyes, reminiscent of his Animal contract and pertain to the user's connection with them. Their physical strength, speed, stamina, reflexes, and durability dramatically increase, with more emphasis on strength, endurance and stamina rather than speed and reflexes. The user can harness the natural energy surrounding them, turning it into an extension of their body. While sage mode is active, minor wounds heal slowly as time passes and the user gains the ability to passively sense his surroundings through the natural energy, in a similar but more precise and enhanced way as normal chakra sensing. Unlike other techniques, the user will not feel any depletion in terms of stamina and energy and will feel revitalized and strong while its active. However, once it ends, the exhaustion of sustaining such a delicate chakra balance takes over the user until he can recover. While Sage Mode is active, the user will take little damage from techniques C-Rank and below, and B-Rank and below Taijutsu. When Sage mode ends the user then experiences physical exhaustion reducing their capabilities the following turn preventing him from using techniques above A-Rank and Taijutsu above B-Rank. A user can prevent this by using shadow clone to collect natural energy and dispelling them before sage mode ends or by ending sage mode before it times out. Taijutsu gains +25 damage, main elemental affinity gains +20 damage, other elemental ninjutsu gain +10 damage and Genjutsu gains +5 damage.
Note: Sage Mode lasts for a total of 5 turns, unless a clone or amphibian technique is used.
Note: This variation can only be used by those with a custom contract

Restrictions:

Exactly the same rules, add:

Sage mode can only be used once per battle and only lasts the time stated in the version used but it can be activated at any point in battle. If the user has signed the Toad contract or other animal, the user can have clones in Myobokuzan, or other sanctuaries, gathering natural energy. By reverse summoning them, the user is able to, by dispersing them in the battle field, use the natural energy they gathered and replenish his own, prolonging Sage Mode. However, not only do those clones count towards the normal clone limit rules and have to be stated in the beginning of the battle, but the user can only have 2 clones pre-preparared and using them only replenishes 2 turns of Sage Mode each (user must state at the beginning of the battle if he has clones in Myobokuzan pre-prepared). This ability is, however, not available for Minato Bios. Other users can make a clone on the field and leave him gathering natural energy to then disperse and enter sage mode, the duration of it will be the normal one, or to replenish its duration.
Once permission is gained, you must apply for a battle test in the bio/battle tests application thread in the RPG Biography section. The test will then be conducted by a sensei and in which you'll need to showcase mastery over Earth, Water and Wind as well as Snake, Toad, other Animal or Wood techniques depending on which type of sage mode you're testing for.

You do the exact same as you would the Toad Contract, just use another animal instead of Toad and you lose access to any Toad technique, but can create your own as long as they follow the same patterns and restrictions, in the custom jutsu submission thread.

2. Add functional custom Sage mode and separate it from the canon versions. It's considered an upgrade, so you first have to master any of the sage mode applications and then you make a test, which could be linked to the Sensei test or being a Sensei, and grant the ability to submit a custom Sage mode technique, following the same patters as all the previous Sage technique, but allowing for extraordinary fuctions, such as venom instead of oil, wings, beaks, claws, ink, teeth, fangs, etc. You would be able to submit this technique in a proper thread, similar to the MS, and wouldn't count towards your jutsu count. And then you can submit techniques for that mode, which would count, in the normal custom jutsu submission thread. You can use the technique I provided above to give a generic mode, but members would be able to shift some properties, as long as they fit and are bound to be moderated by the checker. It's not that hard to restrict or implement, it just adds a new thread to check, but, if it's anything like the custom MS, it's significantly less frequented.

Requirements:
Must have a previous Sage Mode and gone through all the previous sage mode training sessions. Must be a sensei, and have the approval of the RP Admin. Must give an expert battle and win it with the opponent chosen by the RP moderators. Must be an active member for more than 6 months. Even then one is not guaranteed the custom sage mode.


Here's the thread's header:

In order for a member to achieve and submit a custom Sage Mode they must meet the following requirements before they can create their own.

-One must be a member for a minimum of 10 months

-They must have sensei status and Kage ranking = to 8000 posts

When they submit their own Custom Sage Mode the member will be Acknowledging that they will not be allowed to use Wood, Toad or Snake Sage Mode or any of their variations. A member will then be allowed to submit one Sage Mode per contract they made.
 
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Most people don't really understand the complexity behind this matter.

Originally we only had one Sage Mode, Toad SM, and by default SM referred to TSM which also included the usage of natural energy, but only within the context of TSM as it was not used for anything else. TSM had a monopoly on it as it was the only tech shown in the manga that could use it. So only the people who had TSM were allowed to submit CJ related TSM, however not to natural energy on itself. Everyone who posted CJ that used natural energy outside the context of TSM got declined, though it's always possible some somehow got passed the mod's attention.

What we did have was that people simply could post 'modes', the difference was that they had no relation to natural energy. The Hawk Mode, Fang Mode and I remember a guy who has Rat Mode are all not related to natural energy. Likewise you had many modes that didn't even had any relation to animals. I myself have Ken Ki, Swordsman Spirit, which is also counts as a mode. After a while though people started to rip each other modes, they created the exact same mode, only with a different animal. Then other people started making absurdly OP modes (by for example supposedly gaining abilities that had no relation to the animal in question) and other people started accumulating different modes in an attempt to combine them all together. This started to get so out of hand the head of the customs department forbade all modes, but likewise he can unban them as well. You really don't need me for that. As long as it does not involve the usage of natural energy.

Then towards the end of the series Snake Sage Mode and Hashirama's Sage Mode got introduced. However when the SM rules got updated, it was still following the same principle of that you do not control natural energy on itself, only the mode. I mean Hashirama's SM is as far as I know not even tied to a specific animal contract. As the series has never defined the boundaries of natural energy very clearly, we still maintain the principle of tying the rules to the SM rather than to the usage of natural energy. Allowing custom sage modes goes against that principle as it implies people can suddenly manipulate natural energy. This would require a complete overhaul of the SM rules, from specific SM to natural energy, which frankly is not really convenient as natural energy is not specifically related to animals.

Then you have got the issues of the rules. SM isn't really that much of a special ability, however allowing CM can result again in the same spiral of what happened with the regular modes. On the other hand having custom SM that barely different are quite pointless, then we can just stick with the canon ones. Hyping them, to consequently restricting them severely so that barely anyone can us them, seems a waste of effort too. On top of that these days people's summoning contracts are like 'black cat SC', 'white cat SC', 'purple cat SC' etc., it would get ridiculous if people start making SM for something specific like that. Purely cosmetic SM are by default a no-go for the simple reason there will always be something 'functional'. You can hardly say that someone that has a rhino SM that the horn on his head is purely cosmetic.

No matter from which perspective you approach this, in the end to me it seems like too much effort for really nothing. That it somehow would benefit the RP in a particular way is not true either. It's one of the most common arguments people use whenever they want some kind of an RP update, but in reality it really have barely any effect. It will not create a sudden increase in new RPers (if any) nor will satisfy many existing RPers (if any).

Then you also got the issue of the Valentine clan because as I recall their abilities are in fact based on the usage of natural energy creating animal-like limbs or something along those lines. On top of that natural energy is also related to Juugo's clan and CM, so that becomes, as we say in Dutch, a real witch kettle.

In the end for me the reasoning behind adding or not adding stuff is really simple: how much effort does it take to implement it and what are the benefits from it? And currently this all is a pain for really not much. The only thing I so far am considering, is Scorps idea of letting official sages have the right to create custom sage modes, assuming they already achieved a regular canon SM, as an extra sage benefit. This does not require little to no change in the existing rules and it's by default limited to a small amount of people.
 
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Most people don't really understand the complexity behind this matter.

Originally we only had one Sage Mode, Toad SM, and by default SM referred to TSM which also included the usage of natural energy, but only within the context of TSM as it was not used for anything else. TSM had a monopoly on it as it was the only tech shown in the manga that could use it. So only the people who had TSM were allowed to submit CJ related TSM, however not to natural energy on itself. Everyone who posted CJ that used natural energy outside the context of TSM got declined, though it's always possible some somehow got passed the mod's attention.

What we did have was that people simply could post 'modes', the difference was that they had no relation to natural energy. The Hawk Mode, Fang Mode and I remember a guy who has Rat Mode are all not related to natural energy. Likewise you had many modes that didn't even had any relation to animals. I myself have Ken Ki, Swordsman Spirit, which is also counts as a mode. After a while though people started to rip each other modes, they created the exact same mode, only with a different animal. Then other people started making absurdly OP modes (by for example supposedly gaining abilities that had no relation to the animal in question) and other people started accumulating different modes in an attempt to combine them all together. This started to get so out of hand the head of the customs department forbade all modes, but likewise he can unban them as well. You really don't need me for that. As long as it does not involve the usage of natural energy.

Then towards the end of the series Snake Sage Mode and Hashirama's Sage Mode got introduced. However when the SM rules got updated, it was still following the same principle of that you do not control natural energy on itself, only the mode. I mean Hashirama's SM is as far as I know not even tied to a specific animal contract. As the series has never defined the boundaries of natural energy very clearly, we still maintain the principle of tying the rules to the SM rather than to the usage of natural energy. Allowing custom sage modes goes against that principle as it implies people can suddenly manipulate natural energy. This would require a complete overhaul of the SM rules, from specific SM to natural energy, which frankly is not really convenient as natural energy is not specifically related to animals.

Then you have got the issues of the rules. SM isn't really that much of a special ability, however allowing CM can result again in the same spiral of what happened with the regular modes. On the other hand having custom SM that barely different are quite pointless, then we can just stick with the canon ones. Hyping them, to consequently restricting them severely so that barely anyone can us them, seems a waste of effort too. On top of that these days people's summoning contracts are like 'black cat SC', 'white cat SC', 'purple cat SC' etc., it would get ridiculous if people start making SM for something specific like that. Purely cosmetic SM are by default a no-go for the simple reason there will always be something 'functional'. You can hardly say that someone that has a rhino SM that the horn on his head is purely cosmetic.

No matter from which perspective you approach this, in the end to me it seems like too much effort for really nothing. That it somehow would benefit the RP in a particular way is not true either. It's one of the most common arguments people use whenever they want some kind of an RP update, but in reality it really have barely any effect. It will not create a sudden increase in new RPers (if any) nor will satisfy many existing RPers (if any).

Then you also got the issue of the Valentine clan because as I recall their abilities are in fact based on the usage of natural energy creating animal-like limbs or something along those lines. On top of that natural energy is also related to Juugo's clan and CM, so that becomes, as we say in Dutch, a real witch kettle.

In the end for me the reasoning behind adding or not adding stuff is really simple: how much effort does it take to implement it and what are the benefits from it? And currently this all is a pain for really not much. The only thing I so far am considering, is Scorps idea of letting official sages have the right to create custom sage modes, assuming they already achieved a regular canon SM, as an extra sage benefit. This does not require little to no change in the existing rules and it's by default limited to a small amount of people.
speaking of official sages, how are the tests given out now that Roku is gone?
 

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Most people don't really understand the complexity behind this matter.

Originally we only had one Sage Mode, Toad SM, and by default SM referred to TSM which also included the usage of natural energy, but only within the context of TSM as it was not used for anything else. TSM had a monopoly on it as it was the only tech shown in the manga that could use it. So only the people who had TSM were allowed to submit CJ related TSM, however not to natural energy on itself. Everyone who posted CJ that used natural energy outside the context of TSM got declined, though it's always possible some somehow got passed the mod's attention.

What we did have was that people simply could post 'modes', the difference was that they had no relation to natural energy. The Hawk Mode, Fang Mode and I remember a guy who has Rat Mode are all not related to natural energy. Likewise you had many modes that didn't even had any relation to animals. I myself have Ken Ki, Swordsman Spirit, which is also counts as a mode. After a while though people started to rip each other modes, they created the exact same mode, only with a different animal. Then other people started making absurdly OP modes (by for example supposedly gaining abilities that had no relation to the animal in question) and other people started accumulating different modes in an attempt to combine them all together. This started to get so out of hand the head of the customs department forbade all modes, but likewise he can unban them as well. You really don't need me for that. As long as it does not involve the usage of natural energy.

Then towards the end of the series Snake Sage Mode and Hashirama's Sage Mode got introduced. However when the SM rules got updated, it was still following the same principle of that you do not control natural energy on itself, only the mode. I mean Hashirama's SM is as far as I know not even tied to a specific animal contract. As the series has never defined the boundaries of natural energy very clearly, we still maintain the principle of tying the rules to the SM rather than to the usage of natural energy. Allowing custom sage modes goes against that principle as it implies people can suddenly manipulate natural energy. This would require a complete overhaul of the SM rules, from specific SM to natural energy, which frankly is not really convenient as natural energy is not specifically related to animals.

Then you have got the issues of the rules. SM isn't really that much of a special ability, however allowing CM can result again in the same spiral of what happened with the regular modes. On the other hand having custom SM that barely different are quite pointless, then we can just stick with the canon ones. Hyping them, to consequently restricting them severely so that barely anyone can us them, seems a waste of effort too. On top of that these days people's summoning contracts are like 'black cat SC', 'white cat SC', 'purple cat SC' etc., it would get ridiculous if people start making SM for something specific like that. Purely cosmetic SM are by default a no-go for the simple reason there will always be something 'functional'. You can hardly say that someone that has a rhino SM that the horn on his head is purely cosmetic.

No matter from which perspective you approach this, in the end to me it seems like too much effort for really nothing. That it somehow would benefit the RP in a particular way is not true either. It's one of the most common arguments people use whenever they want some kind of an RP update, but in reality it really have barely any effect. It will not create a sudden increase in new RPers (if any) nor will satisfy many existing RPers (if any).

Then you also got the issue of the Valentine clan because as I recall their abilities are in fact based on the usage of natural energy creating animal-like limbs or something along those lines. On top of that natural energy is also related to Juugo's clan and CM, so that becomes, as we say in Dutch, a real witch kettle.

In the end for me the reasoning behind adding or not adding stuff is really simple: how much effort does it take to implement it and what are the benefits from it? And currently this all is a pain for really not much. The only thing I so far am considering, is Scorps idea of letting official sages have the right to create custom sage modes, assuming they already achieved a regular canon SM, as an extra sage benefit. This does not require little to no change in the existing rules and it's by default limited to a small amount of people.
Hey, that's fine! I love that idea anyways! Only official Sages making Custom Sage Mode is okay with me. I hear anderstand all your other reasons, and I thank you for explaining your point of view on the matter.
 

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there is one called hawk mode, made ben zenryoku and pervy sage. After that one, they got banned pretty much. I don't see this happening any time soon. Customs MS is different in the fact that only a stupidly small amount of people have MS, while SM is way more accessible. Unless of course you mean a canon custom (lol) SM. Then pretty much no, as it makes no sense since it's not canon and thus custom, falling under the same rules.
I believe typhon also has a jaguar mode as well it's not necessarily a bad thing for the Rp at this point. If scorps regulates the rules properly it could work but I also have a feeling there will be abuse if it is taken lightly as well.
I would have to think that when they are submitted one mod and one only should be allowed to check them and caliburn will have to oversee this too.
There's always that one thing as well implementing a test as well for the sage modes a generic test to see if the user possesses the proper skill's but that would also take lots of time to break down and see what's needed.
It should also be limited on how many sage mode cj's one user can make.
 

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I read it all. Just a few things to add:

-Custom MS vs Custom SM. Mute and ridiculous, illogical argument. Reason? No Uchiha with Ms has the same abilities as another and when they do, its said they pertain to the 3 base abilities (Amaterasu, Tsukyomi and Susano). MS is therefore related to each individual user. If you have a custom Uchiha with Ms its only natural that you can or should at least be required to submit your own custom techniques for it. Custom MS = custom unique MS techniques. SM is not like that. Its a skill that can be taught and learned or even acquired through unorthodox means. Its like Ninjutsu. Some learn it with Toads, other with Snakes and some are simply so powerful and in tune with their surroundings that they can learn it themselves (Hashirama, SO6P, Full madara, Kaguya, etc). Comparisson is thus non existent.

-I proposed not long ago that Official Sages could create custom Sage Modes. Along with other cosmestic or more unique features pertaining their RP abilities. We have not yet reached a consensus on that. However, we'll once again talk about this and consider it along with the minor changes the Sage System might face in the near future.

-Custom Modes... hum... its within my power and falls under my judgement to allow them or not but I don't see many reasons to allow these self empowerement modes like that. Simple reason being that once you do an empowerment mode for each element, kg, genjutus, etc... whats there left to do? And most if not all of those have been done. Fire, lightning, wind, earth... I mean... I will never allow the submission of more Fire based modes for example. The banning was issued around the time I became RP mod and zen was still in charge of customs and the reason was that it was a waste of our time. All the submissions were copies of others and had the "DNR, Similar to existing techniques" check. Besides, when it comes to power, rpears tend to have a very narrow view. They simply want what their neighbour has. Nothing more. If X member has full one "Omega Earth Mode" that grants + 20 damage to Earth techniques for whatever reason, all his neighbours will want a Lignting, water, wind version and demand it to be approved. I will once again consider this issue but I'm not very keen on allowing it again and I see no reason to do so.

Nice suggestion, but in this our current RP system or with our current moderators this is next to impossible.Time will come one day. Be patient. Its also a very solid argument pointing out custom mangekyo sharingan users.
The current moderators have not permabanned you, allowing you to enjoy this community, so yeah. We must be doing our job wrong, right?

Please, don't post anything of that nature anymore. Its getting tiring and abnoxious and its becoming more and more desperate. Like a joke repeated 100 times loses its ability to make others laugh and starts to trigger annoyance and anger, so does your attitude towards us (and by extension, towards everyone else). The staff that has yet to act wrongfully towards you. The fact that you can log in after all you've said and done only proves that if we have done any wrong, it was towards the rest of the community for failling to shield them from your caustic posts and messages.
 
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