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After Whis trained Goku and Vegeta in the ROF arc they surpassed EP 14 Goku in their base forms
After about half a year passes from the fight Goku had with Beerus in which he had surpassed Super Saiyan God and constantly evolved
Goku went to join Vegeta who had been training with Whis within this time frame
Vegeta at this point not only reached Gokus level of power but he also likely surpassed him.
He also reached the level of power where one needs to be at to sense god ki without being a god or in god form
After Goku's arrival they move onto what seems to be training, and a part of what was Vegeta's common routine while with Whis
This was changing Beerus' sheets while he slept while dealing with being occasionally attacked by a sleeping Beerus, who cant suppress himself
Now this does not mean these were full power attacks, they were just unrestrained
They then move onto the real training which involves carrying weights with the risk of being thrown into another dimension then teleported to Beerus' chamber to be blasted by him as he has sleeps
From this we know that Vegeta has been constantly dealing with unrestrained blasts from Beerus in base and this is a common part of their training.
We can also infer that zenkai is being abused here to make them stronger.
This harsh training was meant for them to raise the power of their base forms rather than their transformed state that already ascended SSG since they had just reached the level of power in which you can sense a god without being a god.
Later in the training Whis teaches them how to manipulate their ki in a manner that seemingly evokes god ki and as a result the god form SSB
They then master this way of manipulating ki within a seperate dimension until the fight with Freeza happened
When Goku fights Freeza, Gohan and Krillin sense Gokus new power in base form and say he's stronger than ever before, this includes him in episode 14
They are making a direct comparison to Peak Goku against Beerus as they sensed that.
From this we know base Goku still has a ki that can be sensed by regular mortals , but this form has now too surpassed his Super Saiyan God self.
This is supported By Gohan Krillin and Beerus himself
In episode 42 Beerus in his Monaka outfit fights Base Goku as Goku holds his own and Beerus enjoys the fight to the point where he grows excited and they appear to almost cause another clash
A few extra feats
Base Copy Vegeta easily dominated SS3 Gotenks
And Vegeta kills Tagoma
Vegeta in base form destroys the ROSAT, a seperate Earth sized dimension by powering up in EP 63
Extra Information: In Toyotaros ROF manga Base Goku is portrayed to be at this level as a result of training with Whis
And in the BOG movie Goku is shown being near his SSG self by holding his own after fazing out of SSG
It seems to be a common and emphasized theme that Gokus base be on this level in each version of these events
Toryama also said Goku didnt need to transform to access the SSG level of power
Oh and btw Ep 14 Goku with what seemed like the remaining ssj power he had survived and destroyed the Sphere of Destruction
Which was the strongest ki construct of the battle
After about half a year passes from the fight Goku had with Beerus in which he had surpassed Super Saiyan God and constantly evolved
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Vegeta at this point not only reached Gokus level of power but he also likely surpassed him.
He also reached the level of power where one needs to be at to sense god ki without being a god or in god form
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After Goku's arrival they move onto what seems to be training, and a part of what was Vegeta's common routine while with Whis
This was changing Beerus' sheets while he slept while dealing with being occasionally attacked by a sleeping Beerus, who cant suppress himself
Now this does not mean these were full power attacks, they were just unrestrained
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We can also infer that zenkai is being abused here to make them stronger.
This harsh training was meant for them to raise the power of their base forms rather than their transformed state that already ascended SSG since they had just reached the level of power in which you can sense a god without being a god.
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Later in the training Whis teaches them how to manipulate their ki in a manner that seemingly evokes god ki and as a result the god form SSB
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When Goku fights Freeza, Gohan and Krillin sense Gokus new power in base form and say he's stronger than ever before, this includes him in episode 14
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From this we know base Goku still has a ki that can be sensed by regular mortals , but this form has now too surpassed his Super Saiyan God self.
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In episode 42 Beerus in his Monaka outfit fights Base Goku as Goku holds his own and Beerus enjoys the fight to the point where he grows excited and they appear to almost cause another clash
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A few extra feats
Base Copy Vegeta easily dominated SS3 Gotenks
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And Vegeta kills Tagoma
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Vegeta in base form destroys the ROSAT, a seperate Earth sized dimension by powering up in EP 63
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Extra Information: In Toyotaros ROF manga Base Goku is portrayed to be at this level as a result of training with Whis
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And in the BOG movie Goku is shown being near his SSG self by holding his own after fazing out of SSG
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Toryama also said Goku didnt need to transform to access the SSG level of power
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Oh and btw Ep 14 Goku with what seemed like the remaining ssj power he had survived and destroyed the Sphere of Destruction
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