Rock vs Cloud

[Beans2]

Rock: Mu, Onoki, Deidara, Kitsuchi
Cloud: 3rd and 4th Raikages, Killer Bee, Darui

Distance: 60 meters

 

[Transcendence]

The cloud because of Killer Bee.

 

[Beans2]

The cloud because of Killer Bee.

Muu solos Bee in all honesty. How is Bee going BM beneficial to Team Cloud when it makes him an easy target for double jinton, C3, C4, rock sandwich, and weighted rock tech?

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Man, you need to be more specific with your battle conditions

Although with full intel and a reasonable starting distance, I see team rock taking this. Kitsuchi uses moving earth core right off the bat to prevent a blitz, then they all go airborne. If Bee turns into the Hachibi, great moving earth core sinks him or mountain sandwich disrupts his transformation or bijuudama's charge time. From there, this battle becomes a jinton/c2/c3 fest

 

[EliteKakashi]

Muu solos Bee in all honesty. How is Bee going BM beneficial to Team Cloud when it makes him an easy target for double jinton, C3, C4, rock sandwich, and weighted rock tech?

How do you expect Mu or Onoki to get off a jinton big enough to do significant damage to Bee before one of the two raikages blitzes him, or Darui uses Reiza Sakasu, or Bee is fighting back with a tentacle, or whatever else?

That's an issue with some people debating these team fights. it's not going to be 4 on 1 in any situation from the start. They're working as teams here.

I'm not arguing for one side or the other, but just keep in mind that Mu or Onoki or anyone from the other team isn't going to have just some free shot on the opposing team right off the bat.

 

[Xlad]

- Ei blitzes Deidara.
- Killer Bee and Third can do in Muu and Onoki.
- Darui along with Ei will then take down Kitsuchi.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

How do you expect Mu or Onoki to get off a jinton big enough to do significant damage to Bee before one of the two raikages blitzes him, or Darui uses Reiza Sakasu, or Bee is fighting back with a tentacle, or whatever else?

That's an issue with some people debating these team fights. it's not going to be 4 on 1 in any situation from the start. They're working as teams here.

I'm not arguing for one side or the other, but just keep in mind that Mu or Onoki or anyone from the other team isn't going to have just some free shot on the opposing team right off the bat.

Raikages can't reach the Tsuchikages while they're both flying, and both are fast enough to dodge Laser Circus. Darui can't attack more than one opponent with that technique, so using it on one will lesve him prone to get vaporized from the other.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Raikages can't reach the Tsuchikages while they're both flying,

No, but Darui can with jutsu, as can Bee with jutsu/tentacles.

and both are fast enough to dodge Laser Circus. Darui can't attack more than one opponent with that technique, so using it on one will lesve him prone to get vaporized from the other.

Them being fast enough to dodge it is fine. Hitting them isn't the entire point, it's to get them away from attacking Bee in the theoretical situation he starts in BM, which I agree is the wrong thing to do.

Again, Darui isn't by himself here, gotta get off that mindset. Think Bee is just gonna sit idly while the other tries to hit Darui?

 

[Transcendence]

Muu solos Bee in all honesty. How is Bee going BM beneficial to Team Cloud when it makes him an easy target for double jinton, C3, C4, rock sandwich, and weighted rock tech?

How are Ohnoki or Muu going to get even a chance to use Jinton at all when you have both Raikage's blitzing around? Darui takes Kitsuchi, the Sandaime also has Black Lightning to stop C3/C4 by virtue of elemental advantages and after that, the Rock has no chance. BM bee absolutely eradicates them should he have time to get in to it.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

How are the Raikages even blitzing off the bat when moving earthcore elevates Iwa's position so that they have time to go airborne??

How is Bee reacting to great moving earth core which sunk the juubi? Before people say multiple shinobi did it, I know that, but Kitsuchi should be capable of using it on a smaller scale which should be enough to sink a bijuu

No, but Darui can with jutsu, as can Bee with jutsu/tentacles.



Them being fast enough to dodge it is fine. Hitting them isn't the entire point, it's to get them away from attacking Bee in the theoretical situation he starts in BM, which I agree is the wrong thing to do.

Again, Darui isn't by himself here, gotta get off that mindset. Think Bee is just gonna sit idly while the other tries to hit Darui?

Darui and Bee also have to watch out for C2. Mū can go invisible and position himself at a different angle to use jinton.

 

[Beans2]

How are Ohnoki or Muu going to get even a chance to use Jinton at all when you have both Raikage's blitzing around? Darui takes Kitsuchi, the Sandaime also has Black Lightning to stop C3/C4 by virtue of elemental advantages and after that, the Rock has no chance. BM bee absolutely eradicates them should he have time to get in to it.

Raikages can't blitz them as they prep jinton because the Tsuchikages can fly. Jinton execution is faster than Bee can counterattack in time, so he gets atomized. With Bee out of the picture things go downhil for team cloud:

-3rd Raikage is killed by jinton
-Darui is killed by jinton

Only problem is putting down V2 Ay, though he can't stay in V2 forever. Once he reverts to V1 or base, jinton kills him.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

60 meters? Yeah, moving earth core isn't needed then, though Kitsuchi could use it to sink Bee and Darui. Bee gets vaporized the second he turns into the Hachibi, or mountain sandwich crushes him.

 

[LuckyMan]

No intel or mindset was given so I'm assuming there is none. Kumo wins.

Darui counters Deidaras projectiles with his own projectiles.

Sandaime Raikage deals with his frenemy Onoki.

Ay deals with Kitsuchi.

Bee takes care of Muu.

 

[ARGUS]

Rock wins this more times than not

--clone fients and diversions from deidara and onoki allows The tsuchikages to jinton a target as big as the hachibi who is their main threat in this battle.

--the raikages are not getting to either muu or onoki. As their combined large scale jinton turns them to dust

 

[DMT]

Rock wins mid diff, + it's not a fair fight, you should gave them Han not kitsuchi

 

[Lariatoo]

High diff either way.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Rock wins. Mu and Oonoki can grant Kitsuchi flight and speed. Full Hachibi isn't a problem when a Jinton blast can blitz him from the skies. Plus Kitsuchi could drop full hachibi underground or smash it via mountain sandwich. Deidara could use a c3 bomb to kill Ei and his father. Mu sneaks up on Darui and snaps his neck.