[Discussion] Rob lucci with haki vs m3

[24 12 11 to troll]

That's because the happened between Luffy and Sentomaru was too high. I don't know why you brought up him at all when there's a page right up above of Luffy about do what I said he did.

No it's not.

Because it's an example to counter your example. And it's clearly worked because the best thing you can come back with is "Sentomaru was too strong", which was my point to begin with, and his Haki isn't exactly impressive either.

How does that not make sense? If Zoro was better than Sanji at both basic types of Haki then there's no point in considering Sanji a member of the M3 since he already has him beat in strength before they even learnt Haki, we've seen him use his Kenbunshoku Haki to great effect bach in Punk Hazard, Zoro? Nope. He's not done anything remotely impressive with Kenbunshoku Haki.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Because it's an example to counter your example. And it's clearly worked because the best thing you can come back with is "Sentomaru was too strong", which was my point to begin with, and his Haki isn't exactly impressive either.

How does that not make sense? If Zoro was better than Sanji at both basic types of Haki then there's no point in considering Sanji a member of the M3 since he already has him beat in strength before they even learnt Haki, we've seen him use his Kenbunshoku Haki to great effect bach in Punk Hazard, Zoro? Nope. He's not done anything remotely impressive with Kenbunshoku Haki.

Except it doesn't counter a thing I said?

I didn't say it doesn't make sense, I said it's not necessarily true.

 

[shinjojin]

Hmm, for now I'd say Lucci with mid-high difficulty.

 

[Bogard]

Lucci will win. If he can go full body haki, it shows a great enough mastery over armament that i don't think the monster trio will manage to overcome preskip, even with brute force. The team will make the fight harder for Lucci though, even with kenboshoku. I'd say high difficulty win for him

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lucci will win. If he can go full body haki, it shows a great enough mastery over armament that i don't think the monster trio will manage to overcome preskip, even with brute force. The team will make the fight harder for Lucci though, even with kenboshoku. I'd say high difficulty win for him

The gap between Luffy and Lucci is marginal. Even if he can go FBH, that doesn't mean his level is higher than Luffy's. Luffy would still be able to smash through it with enough blows; a combined blow would break through low-mid difficulty.

 

[TRE MERCER]

M3 gets raped.​

 

[Tomato God]

The gap between Luffy and Lucci is marginal. Even if he can go FBH, that doesn't mean his level is higher than Luffy's. Luffy would still be able to smash through it with enough blows; a combined blow would break through low-mid difficulty.

Haki is a multiplyer not an additive.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Haki is a multiplyer not an additive.

Manga pages that says this? 'Cause I genuinely don't remember.

 

[Tomato God]

Manga pages that says this? 'Cause I genuinely don't remember.

Its not a stated thing its just an implied thing.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Its not a stated thing its just an implied thing.

Manga pages where it's implied?

 

[Tomato God]

Manga pages where it's implied?

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Turning regular arrow but like twice as strong.

It's not like the arrows with stone heads can do that to stones if you add it instead of multiplying

Idk maybe I am just interpreting it wrong.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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Turning regular arrow but like twice as strong.

It's not like the arrows with stone heads can do that to stones if you add it instead of multiplying

Idk maybe I am just interpreting it wrong.

I think you are. The arrows were able to shatter stone because the Haki cladded to it was hard enough to shatter the stone. It added hardness and strength to the arrows.

 

[Tomato God]

I think you are. The arrows were able to shatter stone because the Haki cladded to it was hard enough to shatter the stone. It added hardness and strength to the arrows.

But isn't hardness a multiplier ? q - q

I am confused

If something is harder it becomes less willing to retain damage and change in momenets of impact meaning the other body must take more of the expended energy.
Its like impulse formulas and science....

 

[Punk Hazard]

But isn't hardness a multiplier ? q - q

I am confused

If something is harder it becomes less willing to retain damage and change in momenets of impact meaning the other body must take more of the expended energy.
Its like impulse formulas and science....

Not necessarily. To illustrate my point:
Boulder=30
Arrow=25
Kuja Warrior's Haki=15
Haki+Arrow=40
Haki+Arrow>Boulder=boulder breaks

 

[Tomato God]

Not necessarily. To illustrate my point:
Boulder=30
Arrow=25
Kuja Warrior's Haki=15
Haki+Arrow=40
Haki+Arrow>Boulder=boulder breaks

Wait aren't you implying as much as I am?
Q-Q

 

[Punk Hazard]

Wait aren't you implying as much as I am?
Q-Q

Nope. I'm saying adding Haki to an arrow is Haki+Arrow. You're saying it's HakixArrow.

 

[Tomato God]

Nope. I'm saying adding Haki to an arrow is Haki+Arrow. You're saying it's HakixArrow.

How is that less assume-y?
Wouldn't it be force * (hardness1 - Hardness2) * impulse = determined damage?
So wouldn't haki be an product of a sum?

 

[Punk Hazard]

How is that less assume-y?
Wouldn't it be force * (hardness1 - Hardness2) * impulse = determined damage?
So wouldn't haki be an product of a sum?

No. It's an armor you equip to something. That means added. It's not a power-up like Gear 2 or Gear 3.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

Not necessarily. To illustrate my point:
Boulder=30
Arrow=25
Kuja Warrior's Haki=15
Haki+Arrow=40
Haki+Arrow>Boulder=boulder breaks

Nah... Haki is more dominant power, so ...
Boulder=30
Arrow=5
Kuja Warrior's Haki=35
Haki+Arrow=40
Haki+Arrow>Boulder=boulder breaks.

If Lucci has full body CoA (Vergo lvl) and high level CoO. He should be around Vergo lvl, hell even stronger than him, because he has carnivora Zoan DF and better mastery Rokushiki technique. Pre TS M3 don't stand a chance ... Lucci win mid diff.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nah... Haki is more dominant power, so ...
Boulder=30
Arrow=5
Kuja Warrior's Haki=35
Haki+Arrow=40
Haki+Arrow>Boulder=boulder breaks.

If Lucci has full body CoA (Vergo lvl) and high level CoO. He should be around Vergo lvl, hell even stronger than him, because he has carnivora Zoan DF and better mastery Rokushiki technique. Pre TS M3 don't stand a chance ... Lucci win mid diff.

Not really. Fully body COA doesn't mean his physical strength, stamina and speed increases. All of those would remain the same and his Haki would be proportional to his strength, which is still Luffy's level.