rinnengan works better with UZUMAKI bloodlines [proved]

[Senpou]

Madara's version is by far larger, more numbers, and can manipulated at will than Nagato; who's limited to only 1, small in comparison, and cannot be manipulated. There is also Limbo Hengokou, Madara's ability to freeze his opponents, his black rods which only he has shown to use Onmyoudon, and greater control over the Gedo Mazo. Only Indra's reincarnation along with the power of Ashura's reincarnation can make the Rinnegan work at its full potential.

Pretty sure even nagato would be able spam CT at the same scale with the help of Juubi's chakra. Only thing that differs him from madara is that he can't use Limbo.

 

[Bronze]

Pretty sure even nagato would be able spam CT at the same scale with the help of Juubi's chakra. Only thing that differs him from madara is that he can't use Limbo.

He can't spam Chibaku Tensei and control the way Madara does. Madara made more of them, and manipulated them at will. And also, Juubi's Chakra didn't increase Madara's skill with his Rinnegan. Chibaku Tensei is not the only thing why Madara is better Rinnegan user than Nagato.

1). The black rods that Nagato used was the sole purpose to control Chakra and disturb it. Madara did the same thing, and shown to even add the Onmyoudon. He showed to pierce Chakra points. He even showed that they can't be touched, unless someone has Hagoromo's Chakra.

2). Better control over Gedo Mazo. The statue absorbed a lot of Nagato's life-force when he tried to control it.

Nagato was never the better Rinnegan wielder and will never be.​

 

[Xāvî1]

He can't spam Chibaku Tensei and control the way Madara does. Madara made more of them, and manipulated them at will. And also, Juubi's Chakra didn't increase Madara's skill with his Rinnegan. Chibaku Tensei is not the only thing why Madara is better Rinnegan user than Nagato.

1). The black rods that Nagato used was the sole purpose to control Chakra and disturb it. Madara did the same thing, and shown to even add the Onmyoudon. He showed to pierce Chakra points. He even showed that they can't be touched, unless someone has Hagoromo's Chakra.

2). Better control over Gedo Mazo. The statue absorbed a lot of Nagato's life-force when he tried to control it.

Nagato was never the better Rinnegan wielder and will never be.​

Bro it seems i have to interfere, Madara was able to use that level of CT bcos of being the juubi jin. if you put nagato in madara's current shoes i bet he could also use CT of even bigger scale.

One thing you're forgetting is, nagato used CT after fighting Naruto, naruto kuuybi mode, the whole of konoha, and after detroying konoha with that massive St attack. All those fights took already a huge chunk of nagato's chakra.

About the gedo mazo feat, before madara used gedo mazo there were, 7 bijuus with no jin two being a perfect jin (who can transform into their bijuus) that is the only reason why madara was able to use that feat. While nagato's time as Akatsuki Leader none of the bijuus expect sanbi were all sealed inside jinchurikis. If nagato were to take on a bijuu alone i bet he could use the same feat as madara.

You are also forgetting something more, nagato summoned Gedo mazo to defeat Konoha anbu's and hanzo men. Madara never showed that technique either.

Off-course the rinnegan suits better to the original user but Nagato was no less potent with the rinnegan!

 

[Senpou]

He can't spam Chibaku Tensei and control the way Madara does. Madara made more of them, and manipulated them at will. And also, Juubi's Chakra didn't increase Madara's skill with his Rinnegan. Chibaku Tensei is not the only thing why Madara is better Rinnegan user than Nagato.

1). The black rods that Nagato used was the sole purpose to control Chakra and disturb it. Madara did the same thing, and shown to even add the Onmyoudon. He showed to pierce Chakra points. He even showed that they can't be touched, unless someone has Hagoromo's Chakra.

2). Better control over Gedo Mazo. The statue absorbed a lot of Nagato's life-force when he tried to control it.

Nagato was never the better Rinnegan wielder and will never be.​

Bro Juubi's chakra is the reason why madara was able to accomplish Moon-eye's plan. How can you say that Juubi's chakra did not help him? We have seen naruto spam Rasengan in various styles, FRS in both the hands, making his shadow clones much more powerful after becoming perfect Jinchuriki. He was able to use Kurama's chakra and amplify his techs to a next level. So In the same way madara used Juubi's chakra in order to increase the number of CT. Bijuu's chakra increase the jutsu's potential by many folds as seen in various cases.

Madara is more skillful with rinnegan than nagato and i'm not at all disregarding that fact. He can use limbo which is shown to be dodged by only those who possess rikudou's chakra. All i'm saying is Nagato was using his own uzumaki chakra pool for rinnegan which is no where near to even 10% of quantity of chakra that Juubi possess. Also he was exhausted as hell at that point. Heck i'm pretty sure he can't spam CT even if he's not exhausted lol. Hence why his version of CT pales in comparison to madara's who was the jinchuriki of the juubi at that time. Do you honestly believe madara could spam CT without being the jinchuriki? Are you implying that his chakra alone rivals that of Juubi's?

 

[Bronze]

Bro it seems i have to interfere, Madara was able to use that level of CT bcos of being the juubi jin. if you put nagato in madara's current shoes i bet he could also use CT of even bigger scale.

One thing you're forgetting is, nagato used CT after fighting Naruto, naruto kuuybi mode, the whole of konoha, and after detroying konoha with that massive St attack. All those fights took already a huge chunk of nagato's chakra.

About the gedo mazo feat, before madara used gedo mazo there were, 7 bijuus with no jin two being a perfect jin (who can transform into their bijuus) that is the only reason why madara was able to use that feat. While nagato's time as Akatsuki Leader none of the bijuus expect sanbi were all sealed inside jinchurikis. If nagato were to take on a bijuu alone i bet he could use the same feat as madara.

You are also forgetting something more, nagato summoned Gedo mazo to defeat Konoha anbu's and hanzo men. Madara never showed that technique either.

Off-course the rinnegan suits better to the original user but Nagato was no less potent with the rinnegan!

Juubi's Chakra doesn't alter Madara's skill with his Rinnegan. The only thing that Juubi boosted was the raw power of the Jutsu. Not CT itself.

First slash: Nagato gets stomped by the Hokages, BSM Naruto and 7 Bijuu together. Madara used Limbo, a technique Nagato has never knew. Madara used the chains to bind their power, a technique Nagato never knew.

Second slash: Complete irrelevancy. Madara summoned the statue from the moon.

Nagato is FAR less potent with the Rinnegan than Madara, the real wielder. Nothing is going to change that.​

Bro Juubi's chakra is the reason why madara was able to accomplish Moon-eye's plan. How can you say that Juubi's chakra did not help him? We have seen naruto spam Rasengan in various styles, FRS in both the hands, making his shadow clones much more powerful after becoming perfect Jinchuriki. He was able to use Kurama's chakra and amplify his techs to a next level. So In the same way madara used Juubi's chakra in order to increase the number of CT. Bijuu's chakra increase the jutsu's potential by many folds as seen in various cases.

Madara is more skillful with rinnegan than nagato and i'm not at all disregarding that fact. He can use limbo which is shown to be dodged by only those who possess rikudou's chakra. All i'm saying is Nagato was using his own uzumaki chakra pool for rinnegan which is no where near to even 10% of quantity of chakra that Juubi possess. Also he was exhausted as hell at that point. Heck i'm pretty sure he can't spam CT even if he's not exhausted lol. Hence why his version of CT pales in comparison to madara's who was the jinchuriki of the juubi at that time. Do you honestly believe madara could spam CT without being the jinchuriki? Are you implying that his chakra alone rivals that of Juubi's?

Did the Juubi's Chakra enhance Limbo Hengoku? No, it didn't. Why would the Juubi enhance Chibaku Tensei? Masashi Kishimoto wanted to demonstrate the true power of the Rinnegan on its own. Do you think he wanted to apply the Juubi with it? I am sure not.

Nagato's Chibaku Tensei in his Edo Tensei form, was destroyed by Naruto, Itachi and Killer Bee. Madara's Chibaku Tensei was destroyed by Rikudou Naruto and Rikudou Sasuke. Rikudou Sennin at his deathbed, was able to achieve the moon while dividing Juubi's Chakra. Madara mixed Indra's and Ashura's Chakra together that ended up leading directly to Hagoromo's Chakra. So Madara can achieve the moon levels with his CT if he applies most of his power to it. After all, Hagoromo did say that Madara reached his level with the Rinnegan.​

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Sasuke and Karin's kid will have the rinnegan.

 

[Senpou]

Did the Juubi's Chakra enhance Limbo Hengoku? No, it didn't. Why would the Juubi enhance Chibaku Tensei? Masashi Kishimoto wanted to demonstrate the true power of the Rinnegan on its own. Do you think he wanted to apply the Juubi with it? I am sure not.

1.CT needs both rinnegan not just one as seen in the case of Nagato and Obito. Nagato with both eyes was able to use CT despite not being the original owner and obito with single rinnegan was barely using one path. So CT needs both the eyes, that's why madara used CT after obtaining both the eyes.

2. Nagato was exhausted even more to the point that he was drooling out of exhaustion after using CT --> shows that chakra is indeed a major factor to use CT. He even said that his version of CT pales in comparison to rikudou's who created moon with Juubi's chakra. Which means chakra indeed enhances the jutsu potential.

Nagato's Chibaku Tensei in his Edo Tensei form, was destroyed by Naruto, Itachi and Killer Bee. Madara's Chibaku Tensei was destroyed by Rikudou Naruto and Rikudou Sasuke. Rikudou Sennin at his deathbed, was able to achieve the moon while dividing Juubi's Chakra. Madara mixed Indra's and Ashura's Chakra together that ended up leading directly to Hagoromo's Chakra. So Madara can achieve the moon levels with his CT if he applies most of his power to it. After all, Hagoromo did say that Madara reached his level with the Rinnegan.

- Bold is a pure assumption. Madara cannot create moon w/o being the jinchuriki of the juubi. Rikudou was born with juubi's chakra already within him + Rinnegan and later acquired the juubi's power. Whereas madara was just reincarnation of Indra. Madara only unlocked eyes but couldn't achieve full power of hagoromo because he didn't have juubi's chakra until he became jinchuriki.

- Hagoromo said that when madara became Juubi's jinchuriki.

 

[Xāvî1]

Juubi's Chakra doesn't alter Madara's skill with his Rinnegan. The only thing that Juubi boosted was the raw power of the Jutsu. Not CT itself.

First slash: Nagato gets stomped by the Hokages, BSM Naruto and 7 Bijuu together. Madara used Limbo, a technique Nagato has never knew. Madara used the chains to bind their power, a technique Nagato never knew.

Second slash: Complete irrelevancy. Madara summoned the statue from the moon.

Nagato is FAR less potent with the Rinnegan than Madara, the real wielder. Nothing is going to change that.​

Madara used the chains to bind their power, a technique Nagato never knew.

You're telling nagato did not know a technique that even obito knew?? Yes obito used that technique to bind Bijuus after naruto freed then from the black rod!

Juubi's Chakra doesn't alter Madara's skill with his Rinnegan.

It doesn't alter the skill but boost the jutsu power like hell! Didn't you know power also boosts the user to use different skill level. A Good example is Hashirama and Yamato.



Here are some facts!

Nagato used six paths Madara did not
Nagato used different fuin jutsus Madara did not
Nagato used Genjutsu Block Madara did not
Nagato used All five elements Madara did not
Nagato used Shinra Tensei Madara did not
Nagato used Banso Tenin Madara did not
Nagato used CT so did madara ~ his skill and jutsu level were higher bcos of being the juubi jin there is no denying this!
Madara used Limbo Nagato did not ~ why cos nagato was always in the shadows, his paths fought in his place.
Deva path could fly so could madara.
Madara could absorb ninjutsu so could Gakido and nagato
Nagato could summon various animals along with Gedo Mazo madara can only summon Gedo Mazo
Nagato used gedo mazo to seal bujjus so did madara ~ Madara could seal all of them togather bcos they were all at the same place while at nagato's period it was scattered all over NV
Nagato used gedo mazo to fight an army with the soul sucking dragon Madara did not!


The only real feat of madara with his rinnegan is Tengai Shinsei that is even in his edo form! (Unlimited Chakra)

How long did he fight the SA with his own chakra?? A few Panels only! Nagato took on the most powerful ninja village alone!

FYI: Omnyodon is not a rinnegan based technique, you get that power when one becomes the juubi jin!

Nagato is FAR less potent with the Rinnegan than Madara, the real wielder. Nothing is going to change that

So as you can see nagato has more jutsu and rinnegan feats then madara! It changes the whole thing Nagato is no less potent then Madara!

Like I already said Off-course the rinnegan suits better to the original user but Nagato was no less potent with the rinnegan!

 

[Indora]

facts-
1.rinnengan needs large chakra reserve

2. it needs better chakra control

the uzumakis fulfill both the requirements to use the rinnengan.

ex-1.NAGATO


Though it was madara's eyes we have seen more rinnengan feats by NAGATO THEN MADARA.and there is a reason madara planted his eyes on him other then any other uchias or senjus.


SASUKE may have a better one but he has shown only one feat till now.

and KAGUYA.....well she is a pet of black zetsu.she uses the 3rd eye for tsukuymi only .[i guess]


note - i guess as madara said the full power is unleashed if you have both eyes.and in case of sasuke he has one .i believe if sasuke has both rinnengan he will be more powerful then naruto. guess what will NARUTO CAN DO if he will get the rinnengan.he will be a god.


what do you think...???

No. Limbo shits on everything Nagato has to offer.

 

[Xāvî1]

No. Limbo shits on everything Nagato has to offer.

how? do explain! did you forget rinnegan users can see limbo!!

Limbos can't use any jutsu they are some momentary shields!! Talking with out knowing nothing!

 

[Bronze]

1.CT needs both rinnegan not just one as seen in the case of Nagato and Obito. Nagato with both eyes was able to use CT despite not being the original owner and obito with single rinnegan was barely using one path. So CT needs both the eyes, that's why madara used CT after obtaining both the eyes.

False. Madara taught Obito the 6 Rikudou no Jutsu. One of them includes Deva path, the source of CT. [

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] The burden of proof is on you to provide evidence whether CT can be used with 2 eyes.​

2. Nagato was exhausted even more to the point that he was drooling out of exhaustion after using CT --> shows that chakra is indeed a major factor to use CT. He even said that his version of CT pales in comparison to rikudou's who created moon with Juubi's chakra. Which means chakra indeed enhances the jutsu potential.

Irrelevant. Nagato's CT was destroyed by Naruto, Killer Bee and Itachi, while an Edo Tensei maintaining unlimited Chakra and health.​

- Bold is a pure assumption. Madara cannot create moon w/o being the jinchuriki of the juubi. Rikudou was born with juubi's chakra already within him + Rinnegan. Whereas madara was just reincarnation of Indra. Madara only unlocked eyes but couldn't achieve full power of hagoromo because he didn't have juubi's chakra until he became jinchuriki.

Madara combined the Chakra of Indra and Ashura that lead to awakening the Juubi's Chakra. [

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] Hagoromo's full power in his prime, was the Jinchuuriki. In his non-Jinchuuriki form, his prime is the Rinnegan's power, the power which Madara stated to fully access to its full potential.​

- Hagoromo said that when madara became Juubi's jinchuriki.

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[ShinjuMadara]

This is the worst theory ever. Uchiha's are best at using Rinnegan and eye powers in general.

Uzumaki's suck with eye powers, Nagato is nothing compared to what Madara accomplished

 

[Xāvî1]

This is the worst theory ever. Uchiha's are best at using Rinnegan and eye powers in general.

Uzumaki's suck with eye powers, Nagato is nothing compared to what Madara accomplished

what did he accomplish??? Care to explain Newbie!

 

[Bronze]

You're telling nagato did not know a technique that even obito knew?? Yes obito used that technique to bind Bijuus after naruto freed then from the black rod!

It doesn't alter the skill but boost the jutsu power like hell! Didn't you know power also boosts the user to use different skill level. A Good example is Hashirama and Yamato.

Skill /=/ Power.​

The only real feat of madara with his rinnegan is Tengai Shinsei that is even in his edo form! (Unlimited Chakra)

How long did he fight the SA with his own chakra?? A few Panels only! Nagato took on the most powerful ninja village alone!

FYI: Omnyodon is not a rinnegan based technique, you get that power when one becomes the juubi jin!

Irrelevant. Edo Madara was brought weaker than his living being, so your argument is invalid.

Madara took on Hokages, Bijuu and the Shinobi alliance singlehandedly. Your argument is invalid, yet again.

The Onmyoudon is Yin-Yang based technique. Goudodama are the Juubi's power.​

So as you can see nagato has more jutsu and rinnegan feats then madara! It changes the whole thing Nagato is no less potent then Madara!

Like I already said Off-course the rinnegan suits better to the original user but Nagato was no less potent with the rinnegan!​

Debunked by Madara saying he can use the Rinnegan's full power, and further expanded by Obito. Madara can use every Rinnegan technique, and the 6 Rikudou No Jutsu on a completely different level than Nagato.​

 

[Xāvî1]

Skill /=/ Power.​

Irrelevant. Edo Madara was brought weaker than his living being, so your argument is invalid.

Madara took on Hokages, Bijuu and the Shinobi alliance singlehandedly. Your argument is invalid, yet again.

He did not fight all the hokages at the same time, he only fought Hashirama and tobirma, minato already lost a hand thanks to obito

The Onmyoudon is Yin-Yang based technique. Goudodama are the Juubi's power.​

So is onmnyodon!

Debunked by Madara saying he can use the Rinnegan's full power, and further expanded by Obito. Madara can use every Rinnegan technique, and the 6 Rikudou No Jutsu on a completely different level than Nagato.[/indent]

@ Bold

Well that is not proven is it??

 

[Bronze]

@ Bold

Well that is not proven is it??

@First bold, irrelevant. Tobirama tried to take him from behind with FTG, and got one-paneled. Hashirama got paralyzed. The fact will not change the he finished 9 Bijuu in one chapter, killed Naruto and Sasuke in 1 chapter, and defeated Tobirama. Nagato on the other hand, was getting his ass kicked by Sennin mode Naruto and Kurama. He ended up reviving, and got sealed by Itachi. Hmm, not so great.

@Second bold,

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Gudodama are the balls themselves. Onmyoudon is the Yin-Yang applied to them. Madara used Onmyoudon to nullify Sasuke's arrow.​

 

[TrollKing]

Eye technique is never uzumaki's thang. Nagato is beyond miracle, so he's an exception. Uchiwa is the eye master always