Rinnegan vs Tenseigan

[Praydara]

Onmyoudon is yin-yang techniques. Not exclusive to only TSB.

Ah, okay. I thought you were trying to say that TSB wasn't an onmyoudon technique at all.

 

[KidGamer65]

LOL. Not TSB. I meant all those chakra attacks Toneri used in the movie.

Since when can toneri teleport?

Hmm. I guess TSB would protect him. Didn't think of that. Doesn't really change much though. Toneri doesn't have sage mode. Camo'd Nagato would take him by surprise.

Those were used via the Gudo Dama. All of Toneri's attacks are used by the Gudo Dama. So no, Nagato can't absorb any of them. Whether or not he has Sage Mode doesn't even matter since he has Byakugan. He'd see Nagato's location and obliterate him in an instant.

Toneri's Silver Wheel Reincarnation Explosion is equal to The Last BSM Naruto's Planetary Rasengan, which is much stronger than the regular Rasengan used by Base Naruto which is equal to Chidori, which can obliterate Meteors. Tell me how Nagato counters that when he can't absorb it, or dodge it, or redirect it?

Tell me how Nagato counters a giant sword that can cut the Moon in half.

But what's truly amazing is that you are actually arguing that Nagato would beat someone on par with BSM Naruto w/ half of Hagoromo's chakra despite him not even being able to beat regular BSM Naruto. Smh. Not even sure if serious right now.

 

[EVlL]

you already know its rinnegan, i know you already do.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

??? What do you mean?
If you bring someone back to life with the Rinnegan to kill them again you'd die before you had the chance.
The Rinnegan's resurrection technique KILLS the user, remember?

No it doesn't. It only kills you if you have low chakra reserves.

 

[Dantee]

Ah, okay. I thought you were trying to say that TSB wasn't an onmyoudon technique at all.

It's not. It can be used in conjunction it seems but the premise is that Onymoudon isn't exlusive to TSB. Databook never mention Onymoudon has TSB exclusive. I'm thinking it's a mastery of yin-yang on the sages level that allows you to do it.

Spoiler

Six Paths
The secret technique forming all creation out of nothingness and giving it life.

↓ Spiritual and physical energy. That is Yin-Yang Release.

"Yin Release", which creates form out of nothingness and "Yang Release", which breathes life into form. The one with the skill to manipulate those two attributes, the Sage of Six Paths Hagoromo Otsutsuki, developed the "Creation of All Things Technique". He also created the nine bodies of the Tailed Beasts out of the Ten-Tails chakra, making them gifts of Yin-Yang Release. After this, the Uchiha Clan inherited Yin Release and the Senju Clan inherited Yang Release.

There's also the word 色濃い irokoi used, which means strongly tending to. So maybe it's better to translate the last sentence in a way that reflects that the clans powers "strongly tend to Yin or Yang" (Sharingan, Mokuton etc.).

Translation by Seelentau from NF

Ying Yang/Onmyouton page:

Inton (Yin/Dark), which creates form from nothing, and Youton (Yang/Light), which breathes life into form. Skillfully manipulating these two elements, the Sage of Six Paths, Ootsutsuki Hagoromo, developed the Banbutsu Souzou (Creation of All Things) Jutsu. Creating the nine Bijuu out of the Juubi's chakra was also the result of Onmyouton. Afterwards, Inton was inherited more predominately in the Uchiha clan, while Youton was inherited more predominately in the Senju clan.

Then, can only the Uchiha and Senju use this power? The answer is no. For example, even without using a Sharingan, the proportional amount of genjutsu that involves "creating form from nothing" is high. Furthermore, there are many "hiden ninjutsu" passed down among specific shinobi clans that are not affiliated with any of the five nature transformations but are instead grounded in Onmyouton. For example, the Akimichi clan uses Youton to expand their bodies' size, while the Nara clan uses Inton to expand, contract, and transform shadows. In the same vein, even without being Uchiha or Senju, shinobi manipulate chakra and use jutsu, and the basis of that is said to be rooted in Onmyouton.

Probably need the rinnegan + juubi jin to be able to use it on the level Juubito used it.

 

[kaithefly]

rinnegan over tenseigan anyday. what dojoutsu did the sage of the 6 paths have? the rinnegan

 

[Praydara]

It's not. It can be used in conjunction it seems but the premise is that Onymoudon isn't exlusive to TSB. Databook never mention Onymoudon has TSB exclusive. I'm thinking it's a mastery of yin-yang on the sages level that allows you to do it.

Spoiler

Six Paths
The secret technique forming all creation out of nothingness and giving it life.

↓ Spiritual and physical energy. That is Yin-Yang Release.

"Yin Release", which creates form out of nothingness and "Yang Release", which breathes life into form. The one with the skill to manipulate those two attributes, the Sage of Six Paths Hagoromo Otsutsuki, developed the "Creation of All Things Technique". He also created the nine bodies of the Tailed Beasts out of the Ten-Tails chakra, making them gifts of Yin-Yang Release. After this, the Uchiha Clan inherited Yin Release and the Senju Clan inherited Yang Release.

There's also the word 色濃い irokoi used, which means strongly tending to. So maybe it's better to translate the last sentence in a way that reflects that the clans powers "strongly tend to Yin or Yang" (Sharingan, Mokuton etc.).

Translation by Seelentau from NF

Ying Yang/Onmyouton page:

Inton (Yin/Dark), which creates form from nothing, and Youton (Yang/Light), which breathes life into form. Skillfully manipulating these two elements, the Sage of Six Paths, Ootsutsuki Hagoromo, developed the Banbutsu Souzou (Creation of All Things) Jutsu. Creating the nine Bijuu out of the Juubi's chakra was also the result of Onmyouton. Afterwards, Inton was inherited more predominately in the Uchiha clan, while Youton was inherited more predominately in the Senju clan.

Then, can only the Uchiha and Senju use this power? The answer is no. For example, even without using a Sharingan, the proportional amount of genjutsu that involves "creating form from nothing" is high. Furthermore, there are many "hiden ninjutsu" passed down among specific shinobi clans that are not affiliated with any of the five nature transformations but are instead grounded in Onmyouton. For example, the Akimichi clan uses Youton to expand their bodies' size, while the Nara clan uses Inton to expand, contract, and transform shadows. In the same vein, even without being Uchiha or Senju, shinobi manipulate chakra and use jutsu, and the basis of that is said to be rooted in Onmyouton.

Probably need the rinnegan + juubi jin to be able to use it on the level Juubito used it.

According to Black Zetsu, TSBs are made up of all five nature releases + onyoudon. [

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[Megax Rocker7]

To those who said Toneri > nagato
Naruto was about tobdie against nagato if it weren't for itachi and sm naruto only defeated a weakened deva path.

 

[Dantee]

According to Black Zetsu, TSBs are made up of all five nature releases + onyoudon. [

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He didn't say Onmyoudon. He said TSB is comprised of all elements, same with rinnegan. You might need to master the rinne/tsb before using that specific technique.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Those were used via the Gudo Dama. All of Toneri's attacks are used by the Gudo Dama. So no, Nagato can't absorb any of them. Whether or not he has Sage Mode doesn't even matter since he has Byakugan. He'd see Nagato's location and obliterate him in an instant.

Toneri's Silver Wheel Reincarnation Explosion is equal to The Last BSM Naruto's Planetary Rasengan, which is much stronger than the regular Rasengan used by Base Naruto which is equal to Chidori, which can obliterate Meteors. Tell me how Nagato counters that when he can't absorb it, or dodge it, or redirect it?

Tell me how Nagato counters a giant sword that can cut the Moon in half.

But what's truly amazing is that you are actually arguing that Nagato would beat someone on par with BSM Naruto w/ half of Hagoromo's chakra despite him not even being able to beat regular BSM Naruto. Smh. Not even sure if serious right now.

Didn't Nagato use cameleon summon in his battle against Itachi,bee & Naruto? And though toneri used some of his attacks with TSB. They stopped being tsb when he used the tech. They changed color to his chakra and also form indicating they became pure chakra.

 

[KidGamer65]

Didn't Nagato use cameleon summon in his battle against Itachi,bee & Naruto?

He did, but not relevant since once again, Byakugan would detect him.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

He did, but not relevant since once again, Byakugan would detect him.

Did Itachi detect him? Was he even looking? If sharingan could not see it, so also byakugan. I'll go check.

 

[shelke]

The one which is canon. Don't give a damn about that cheap filler garbage.

 

[KidGamer65]

Did Itachi detect him? Was he even looking? If sharingan could not see it, so also byakugan. I'll go check.

Itachi was nowhere near the area.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Itachi was nowhere near the area.

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Debatable. Itachi was right beside them when this happened. If he could see it, he would have warned them. But I guess it isn't really concrete evidence.

 

[~Sky~]

The Tenseigan alone put Toneri on the same level as all JJ's and Sage-Enhanced characters in the manga.

Obito and Madara spent the entire course of the manga pursuing the powers of the Juubi by attaining all the tailed beasts and combining it with their respective dojutsu. Yet Toneri, just through awakening the Tenseigan, finds himself in the same league of power as those two characters.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

The Tenseigan alone put Toneri on the same level as all JJ's and Sage-Enhanced characters in the manga.

Obito and Madara spent the entire course of the manga pursuing the powers of the Juubi by attaining all the tailed beasts and combining it with their respective dojutsu. Yet Toneri, just through awakening the Tenseigan, finds himself in the same league of power as those two characters.

Let's be serious. The tenseigan only puts him Rinnegan Madara level(Maybe). no JJ. Naruto can't solo JJ Madara. Can't even solo Rinnegan Madara in BSM only.

 

[QdonEms]

Which one is more relevant in the newest movie?

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[~Sky~]

Let's be serious. The tenseigan only puts him Rinnegan Madara level(Maybe). no JJ. Naruto can't solo JJ Madara. Can't even solo Rinnegan Madara in BSM only.

The Tenseigan granted him the ability to split the moon in half and create a golem stronger than the 9 tails. Through the Tenseigan's repulsion ability, Toneri almost destroyed Earth. These feats are above any destruction feats in the manga. Toneri probably could beat a one-eyed JJ Madara and I'd take him over JJ Obito any day.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Debatable. Itachi was right beside them when this happened. If he could see it, he would have warned them. But I guess it isn't really concrete evidence.

Oh, forgot that this is when he appeared. But no one was even looking toward that area nor were they even looking for Nagato at all so it isn't evidence as you said.