Rinnegan SM Madara vs Juubi Madara

[Blunt]

Deva Path can levitate anything on air. [

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] Sasuke was being levitated and pulled down straight to the sword. Limbo has never noted to do such thing.

And I do remember Blunt said this. Sounds like hypocrisy. ​

Lol, I already conceded. I completely forgot about Deva Path.

No hypocrisy on my part, just a mistake. Read my above reply.

 

[Benjamin King]

It was said about Obito and it was implied with Madara by Obito himself. PS is Madara's full power, and since the Rinnegan itself is consistent of chakra, it would only make sense that with them, he can utilize it at it's fullest.

So you're admitting you're wrong, then? Human Path is one of the 6 Path, which Obito with 1 eye stated to be able to use. Therefore, 1 eyed Madara is also able to use them. PS is Madara's full power, not the full power of both of his eyes. There is difference between the 2. The point won't change that 1 real Rinnegan + full powered body > double fake Rinnegan + fake powered body.​

wouldn't it make more sense to think that the limbo clone was holding him in place? Sasuke can't see the limbo, but he certainly felt it.

lucario14, the panel showed Sasuke being levitated on the air. Limbo is nothing more than an invisible clone. Where has it ever once levitated somebody using gravity force? Only Deva Path can do this. And Sasuke has never felt anything invisible holding him. All he said is ''what is this''​

 

[Blunt]

So you're admitting you're wrong, then? Human Path is one of the 6 Path, which Obito with 1 eye stated to be able to use. Therefore, 1 eyed Madara is also able to use them. PS is Madara's full power, not the full power of both of his eyes. There is difference between the 2. The point won't change that 1 real Rinnegan + full powered body > double fake Rinnegan + fake powered body.​

Read above replies. I told you, you were correct on your statement.

 

[Benjamin King]

Read above replies. I told you, you were correct on your statement.

Okay.

 

[Blunt]

Okay.

So due to this, you still believe SM Madara has this in the bag or?

 

[lucario14]

So you're admitting you're wrong, then? Human Path is one of the 6 Path, which Obito with 1 eye stated to be able to use. Therefore, 1 eyed Madara is also able to use them. PS is Madara's full power, not the full power of both of his eyes. There is difference between the 2. The point won't change that 1 real Rinnegan + full powered body > double fake Rinnegan + fake powered body.​

lucario14, the panel showed Sasuke being levitated on the air. Limbo is nothing more than an invisible clone. Where has it ever once levitated somebody using gravity force? Only Deva Path can do this. And Sasuke has never felt anything invisible holding him. All he said is ''what is this''​

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Look at where sasuke is in respect to madara and the height difference. He's also pretty close to the ground. The limbo could be holding sasuke up by the shoulders. Since nothing from the real world can affect the limbo, the sword goes right through him and into sasuke.

 

[Benjamin King]

So due to this, you still believe SM Madara has this in the bag or?

Mainly of the Double Rinnegan hype given to him, the difference in strength after gaining them, and what ever technique it potentially shows; SM Madara would win, high diff.​

 

[lucario14]

So you're admittking you're wrong, then? Human Path is one of the 6 Path, which Obito with 1 eye stated to be able to use. Therefore, 1 eyed Madara is also able to use them. PS is Madara's full power, not the full power of both of his eyes. There is difference between the 2. The point won't change that 1 real Rinnegan + full powered body > double fake Rinnegan + fake powered body.​

lucario14, the panel showed Sasuke being levitated on the air. Limbo is nothing more than an invisible clone. Where has it ever once levitated somebody using gravity force? Only Deva Path can do this. And Sasuke has never felt anything invisible holding him. All he said is ''what is this''​

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Look at where sasuke is in respect to madara and the height difference. He's also pretty close to the ground. The limbo could be holding sasuke up by the shoulders. Since nothing from the real world can affect the limbo, the sword goes right through him and into sasuke.

 

[wael reda]

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Tell that to the Shinobi Alliance, who were in range with Naruto's BijuuRasenshuriken.​

Naruto's attack had similar blast to that. CT just needs to be put in front.​

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Your explanation is somewhat plausible.​

shinobi allience were never at naruto’s attacks range

non jin madara’s CT isnt going to be as big as jin madara’CT

EDO Madara couldnt absorb ay’s lightening armor due to his speed, jiubi doma is faster and has much more chakra

even if that was possible ,absorbimg the bomb before exploding wont work if the bomb was shot a few metres away from him


i agree about jukai kudan part, but jin madara can counter that by the same way obito did, unless if madara cant use this barrier


glad that my theory seemed plausible to you

 

[Benjamin King]

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Look at where sasuke is in respect to madara and the height difference. He's also pretty close to the ground. The limbo could be holding sasuke up by the shoulders. Since nothing from the real world can affect the limbo, the sword goes right through him and into sasuke.

That's not the moment where Sasuke was levitated. This is:

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Look at the height between them. Sasuke was far too high for Limbo to reach and grab him.​

 

[Benjamin King]

shinobi allience were never at naruto’s attacks range

Yes, they were. [

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] Even so, Sakura and Kakashi were standing right next to Naruto, so they were inside the blast's range.​

non jin madara’s CT isnt going to be as big as jin madara’CT

Unless you can show me proof that the size of those CT was because of Juubi's Chakra, and not the real wielder of Rinnegan, I don't have a reason to believe.​

EDO Madara couldnt absorb ay’s lightening armor due to his speed, jiubi doma is faster and has much more chakra

You don't have a proof that Edo Madara had intentions of absorbing Ay's armour.​

even if that was possible ,absorbimg the bomb before exploding wont work if the bomb was shot a few metres away from him

This has been addressed.​

i agree about jukai kudan part, but jin madara can counter that by the same way obito did, unless if madara cant use this barrier

This had also been addressed. Madara uses Mayfly to get out.​

 

[Blunt]

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Look at where sasuke is in respect to madara and the height difference. He's also pretty close to the ground. The limbo could be holding sasuke up by the shoulders. Since nothing from the real world can affect the limbo, the sword goes right through him and into sasuke.

Sasuke never indicated that he felt something grabbing him (an outside source) or holding him in place, I believe it was Deva Path.

 

[TRE MERCER]

SM Madara wins he has the big 3.(Perfect Susanoo,Gedo Mazo,Shinsuusenjutsu) SM inhanced Ps and Buddha swats his TSB like nothing. Buddha rushes him and proceed to beat him to death.

 

[Unorthodox]

are we reading the same Manga people? Juubi jin Madara negs and whats with this Hagoromo chakra BS they're is no way alive Madara is pulling a feat from juubi jin Madara also chakra arms bisects his ps similar to what Kaguya did to sasuke also double rinnegan Madara ps isnt destroying a tree that still was standing after 4 juubidamas.

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[wael reda]

Yes, they were. [

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] Even so, Sakura and Kakashi were standing right next to Naruto, so they were inside the blast's range.​

Unless you can show me proof that the size of those CT was because of Juubi's Chakra, and not the real wielder of Rinnegan, I don't have a reason to believe.​

You don't have a proof that Edo Madara had intentions of absorbing Ay's armour.​

This has been addressed.​

This had also been addressed. Madara uses Mayfly to get out.​

they were on the ground, the blast didn't touch the ground

we can't say that non jin madara can use more than 30 godtree sized CT ,that is pure assumption

see this scan, I don't know if that means he can't absorb it

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OK, mayfly is a good way to get out from the barrier but did madara use it once in the manga ?

also ,like I said, using regular jiubi bombs will leave no time for the opponent to react and counter

 

[Benjamin King]

they were on the ground, the blast didn't touch the ground

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The blast destroyed mountains. Of course it hit the ground.​

we can't say that non jin madara can use more than 30 godtree sized CT ,that is pure assumption

Yes, we can.

-Naruto destroyed those meteors with Hagoromo's Chakra boost without being Juubi's Jinchuuriki.
-Sasuke destroyed those meteors with Hagoromo's Chakra boost without being Juubi's Jinchuuuriki.
-Kakashi wrapped Juubi's arms with Hagoromo's Chakra boost without being Juubi's Jinchuuriki.

Madara has that Chakra inside of him. [

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] And has more of it compared to the listing, as he merged Indra's and Ashura's together compared to Naruto and Sasuke, who only have per each. To say that Madara only did that feat by Juubi's power is nothing but your assumption, which lacks evidence to support. I have evidence on my side.​

see this scan, I don't know if that means he can't absorb it

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How in the world does that prove he had intentions of absorbing or couldn't?​

OK, mayfly is a good way to get out from the barrier but did madara use it once in the manga ?

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also ,like I said, using regular jiubi bombs will leave no time for the opponent to react and counter

Except I have addressed that. Unless you're saying Juubi's TBB is faster at charging than being caught by surprise via instantaneous teleportation like FTG?​

 

[wael reda]

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The blast destroyed mountains. Of course it hit the ground.​

Yes, we can.

-Naruto destroyed those meteors with Hagoromo's Chakra boost without being Juubi's Jinchuuriki.
-Sasuke destroyed those meteors with Hagoromo's Chakra boost without being Juubi's Jinchuuuriki.
-Kakashi wrapped Juubi's arms with Hagoromo's Chakra boost without being Juubi's Jinchuuriki.

Madara has that Chakra inside of him. [

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] And has more of it compared to the listing, as he merged Indra's and Ashura's together compared to Naruto and Sasuke, who only have per each. To say that Madara only did that feat by Juubi's power is nothing but your assumption, which lacks evidence to support. I have evidence on my side.​

How in the world does that prove he had intentions of absorbing or couldn't?​

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Except I have addressed that. Unless you're saying Juubi's TBB is faster at charging than being caught by surprise via instantaneous teleportation like FTG?​

please, the explosion didn't touch the ground or you say kakashi and salura survived that with no damage

naruto and sasuke have (like madara)rikudo chakra not just Andra and ashura chakra as you say
but they seem to have more rikudo chakra than non jin madara

again, giving jin double rininingan madara feats to non jin double rinningan madara feats is wrong, it is like saying war arc kakashi can warp hachibi twice on his own or he Can make jiubi vanish with no chakra help from kiuybi

it looks like mayfly though zetcu doesn't
make such a hole in the ground when he uses it

no but charging regular jiubi ttb is faster than creating jukai kodan

 

[Benjamin King]

please, the explosion didn't touch the ground or you say kakashi and salura survived that with no damage

Get your eyes checked. [

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] Do I actually need to even pointed out when the scan does that?​

naruto and sasuke have (like madara)rikudo chakra not just Andra and ashura chakra as you say
but they seem to have more rikudo chakra than non jin madara

Rikudou's Chakra is composed of Indra's and Ashura's. What he gave them is nothing more than the original Chakra of his sons. Sasuke took Indra's and Naruto took Ashura's. Now you're using baseless assumptions yourself? Why in the world would Non-Jinchuuriki Madara have less of Rikudou's Chakra than Naruto and Sasuke, when Hagoromo canonically stated Madara directly merged the sons together?​

again, giving jin double rininingan madara feats to non jin double rinningan madara feats is wrong, it is like saying war arc kakashi can warp hachibi twice on his own or he Can make jiubi vanish with no chakra help from kiuybi

I'm still not seeing any valid counter to my point. So, I will play your game...Show me a proof that Juubi made it on that scale.​

it looks like mayfly though zetcu doesn't
make such a hole in the ground when he uses it

How is that any valid? If he goes underground, he gets out of the barrier. Unless the barrier magically covers the underground as well?​

no but charging regular jiubi ttb is faster than creating jukai kodan

No, it doesn't. Neither you have a proof or feat for it.​

 

[DemonicAvenger]

JJ Madara curbs.​

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[lanakui8]

Juubi powerup >> rinnegan powerup.

Give nagato the powers that obito gained when he became the juubi jinchuriki and does anyone stand a chance against him?