Rinnegan Sasuke's Susanoo arrows are forest busting (on-par with truthseeker orbs)

[Retsu]

You mean like the rod he was carrying? Okay.

Madara lost the majority of them, he was pretty much already castrated by the time Naruto and Sasuke came back to life. One rod/orb does not compare to a whole set of tsb's at all.

 

[shelke]

Madara lost the majority of them, he was pretty much already castrated by the time Naruto and Sasuke came back to life. One rod/orb does not compare to a whole set of tsb's at all.

Now you are just being picky. I said what I had to on this Senjutsu topic. If the Sage's Senjutsu isn't enough to bypass the orbs defenses, then nothing in the manga is.

 

[Retsu]

Now you are just being picky. I said what I had to on this Senjutsu topic. If the Sage's Senjutsu isn't enough to bypass the orbs defenses, then nothing in the manga is.

You're not being fair, It's well known that maddie's defense was nearly impregnable and it took a huge group effort combination of ftg, kamui, and the 8 gates just to remove them from play. Sasuke and Naruto didn't have as hard a time against mascara because he already lost his biggest advantage which were those orbs and that's manga fact. You can't deny that.

 

[shelke]

You're not being fair, It's well known that maddie's defense was nearly impregnable and it took a huge group effort combination of ftg, kamui, and the 8 gates just to remove them from play. Sasuke and Naruto didn't have as hard a time against mascara because he already lost his biggest advantage which were those orbs and that's manga fact. You can't deny that.

What? You cannot be serious if you are outright excluding the Senjutsu factor; sage's Senjutsu for that matter. That was the sole reason they even managed to put up a fight at the start. Had Kaguya not overtaken Madara's body, they probably would have lost.

 

[Retsu]

What? You cannot be serious if you are outright excluding the Senjutsu factor; sage's Senjutsu for that matter. That was the sole reason they even managed to put up a fight at the start. Had Kaguya not overtaken Madara's body, they probably would have lost.

I'm not excluding senjutsu, however just having it does not magically mean tsb's are a non factor which shatter like glass with every attack, they are still highly versatile and dangerous, especially if someone has a whole set. And I honestly can't say for certain whether or not they would have lost, however after losing his tsb's he was forced to change up fighting styles, and had to rely on limbo. You have to admit that when he lost those orbs he lost a fair amount of capabilities with them.

 

[shelke]

I'm not excluding senjutsu, however just having it does not magically mean tsb's are a non factor which shatter like glass with every attack, they are still highly versatile and dangerous, especially if someone has a whole set. And I honestly can't say for certain whether or not they would have lost, however after losing his tsb's he was forced to change up fighting styles, and had to rely on limbo. You have to admit that when he lost those orbs he lost a fair amount of capabilities with them.

Other than negating techniques (or using them as offensive techs), he lost little. He had Kaguya's eye, and would have accomplished a lot, just like Sasuke did. BT, multiple CT, Genjutsu ... you name it.

It does factor in. The Sage's Senjutsu is precisely the reason why the orbs defense was rendered useless. Which is why Naruto failed to overpower Sasuke's tech.

 

[Retsu]

Other than negating techniques (or using them as offensive techs), he lost little. He had Kaguya's eye, and would have accomplished a lot, just like Sasuke did. BT, multiple CT, Genjutsu ... you name it.

It does factor in. The Sage's Senjutsu is precisely the reason why the orbs defense was rendered useless. Which is why Naruto failed to overpower Sasuke's tech.

I disagree. I think if he did have his orbs Naruto and Sasuke wouldn't have been able to manhandle him right off the bat like they did seeing as they can attack and defend almost as if they are independent of the user, not to mention the fact that more orbs means bigger stronger constructs.

And the senjutsu just meant that if an orb made contact it won't destroy/negate whatever it came into contact with like how Naruto kicked one back at madara. Also I'd like to add that Naruto is a poor comparison seeing as he had JUST got those as part of his new power up and pretty much didn't/couldn't utilize them to their full capabilities, similar to the same way Sasuke could only use 1 rinnegan tech at a time.

Either way I think that if one masters those orbs, they're pretty much on par with having a rinnegan and can't be compared to one tech as they have a whole multitude of capabilities.

 

[shelke]

I disagree. I think if he did have his orbs Naruto and Sasuke wouldn't have been able to manhandle him right off the bat like they did seeing as they can attack and defend almost as if they are independent of the user, not to mention the fact that more orbs means bigger stronger constructs.

And the senjutsu just meant that if an orb made contact it won't destroy/negate whatever it came into contact with like how Naruto kicked one back at madara. Also I'd like to add that Naruto is a poor comparison seeing as he had JUST got those as part of his new power up and pretty much didn't/couldn't utilize them to their full capabilities, similar to the same way Sasuke could only use 1 rinnegan tech at a time.

Either way I think that if one masters those orbs, they're pretty much on par with having a rinnegan and can't be compared to one tech as they have a whole multitude of capabilities.

They manhandled a Madara that had yet to reach his full potential. After he cast IT, Kaguya took over and we never saw what he could have done. He would have won with relative ease, as Madara is not Kaguya. He has experience in warfare.

He kicked it back BECAUSE of the new power he had received. I told you, don't take the sage's senjutsu lightly.

 

[Lightningkakashi]

You're not being fair, It's well known that maddie's defense was nearly impregnable and it took a huge group effort combination of ftg, kamui, and the 8 gates just to remove them from play. Sasuke and Naruto didn't have as hard a time against mascara because he already lost his biggest advantage which were those orbs and that's manga fact. You can't deny that.

Had to stop here, manga fact? Man those orbs were nothing compared to limbo. Limbo solod 9 bijuu negative difficulty setting. Those orbs couldn't kill minato kakashi and Gai -_-

 

[Retsu]

Had to stop here, manga fact? Man those orbs were nothing compared to limbo. Limbo solod 9 bijuu negative difficulty setting. Those orbs couldn't kill minato kakashi and Gai -_-

Plz, those orbs had to be removed from him with 8 gates, kamui, and ftg. Only reason limbo is worth mentioning is because most ppl can't see it. It's nothing but invisible shadow clones. Those orbs are way more valuable than limbo clones imho

 

[End of Days]

TSB cannot be regenerated, they do take some time to come back
They erased the susanoo arrows, your OP makes 0 sense

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[shelke]

^ No they didn't. The arrows exploded on contact. Had they erased them, they would have traveled unhindered.

 

[Hazo]

Madara stomps Sasuke