[VS] Rinnegan Sasuke w/ Bijuu vs. Double Rinnegan JJ Madara

[KidGamer65]

Strictly going by feats, Sasuke doesn't even need the Bijuus. But if we speculate and scale his abilities i think Madara would defeat him mid diff. Sasuke with the Bijuus is on another different league, to the point i can't see how speculated abilities may grant Madara a mere hope of winning.

My thoughts exactly. To this day I've yet to see a feats based argument that properly explains why Madara wins....though I feel if he had fought in his full form, he'd have the feats to win....

but oh well.

 

[Zee U]

My thoughts exactly. To this day I've yet to see a feats based argument that properly explains why Madara wins....though I feel if he had fought in his full form, he'd have the feats to win....

but oh well.

I feel like Madara was stronger than either Rikudou Naruto or Sasuke, but not that strong that he could beat them both. The fact that BZ decided to gender bend him after IT indicate in my eyes that he would not have survived a battle againts the two (which means no Kaguya), where Zetsu wouldn't have gotten a chance of backstabbing him due to the crossfire and Madara being concentrated.

We know he is a cocky individual, so his words don't have much meaning, but him saying that he would take on both Naruto and Sasuke just doesn't make sense if he is weaker than them individually. Then we also have to consider that Madara has both Senjutsu and Dojutsu, albeit individually weaker it seems, than Naruto and Sasuke's. I don't feel like the gap between Naruto's Senjutsu and Madara's Senjutsu can't be filled by Rinnegan/EMS.

 

[KidGamer65]

I feel like Madara was stronger than either Rikudou Naruto or Sasuke, but not that strong that he could beat them both. The fact that BZ decided to gender bend him after IT indicate in my eyes that he would not have survived a battle againts the two (which means no Kaguya), where Zetsu wouldn't have gotten a chance of backstabbing him due to the crossfire and Madara being concentrated.

We know he is a cocky individual, so his words don't have much meaning, but him saying that he would take on both Naruto and Sasuke just doesn't make sense if he is weaker than them individually. Then we also have to consider that Madara has both Senjutsu and Dojutsu, albeit individually weaker it seems, than Naruto and Sasuke's. I don't feel like the gap between Naruto's Senjutsu and Madara's Senjutsu can't be filled by Rinnegan/EMS.

I honestly think that Madara is on the level of VoTE Naruto or VoTE Sasuke. They are half of Hagoromo at the start, and then they take in all of those extra powers and probably rise to a level near Hagoromo's. Madara w/ one eye was stated to be approaching Hagoromo's power, so with the other eye, he'd be near Hagoromo's level as well, given the massive jump in power.

Though I think that Naruto and Sasuke have the edge. Though you have a point with the bold. Usually when a villain is replaced, it's because said villain wasn't good enough to win in a fight, so I see it like this:

VoTE Naruto=VoTE Sasuke>Kaguya Arc Naruto and Sasuke together>JJ Madara>Kaguya Arc Naruto>Kaguya Arc Sasuke.

 

[Zee U]

I honestly think that Madara is on the level of VoTE Naruto or VoTE Sasuke. They are half of Hagoromo at the start, and then they take in all of those extra powers and probably rise to a level near Hagoromo's. Madara w/ one eye was stated to be approaching Hagoromo's power, so with the other eye, he'd be near Hagoromo's level as well, given the massive jump in power.

Though I think that Naruto and Sasuke have the edge. Though you have a point with the bold. Usually when a villain is replaced, it's because said villain wasn't good enough to win in a fight, so I see it like this:

VoTE Naruto=VoTE Sasuke>Kaguya Arc Naruto and Sasuke together>JJ Madara>Kaguya Arc Naruto>Kaguya Arc Sasuke.

Yeah, that's exactly how i view it.