Rinnegan Sasuke vs Founders

[NarutoX28]

He wins Scenarios 1 and 2 and potentially 3.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Gonna pretend the first two scenarios aren't even there. Your legit stupid if you don't know who wins

Sasuke still takes 3 with ease if he fights optimally. Kurama isn't even a factor and Sasuke can even use him to his advantage.

 

[Unorthodox]

Gonna pretend the first two scenarios aren't even there. Your legit stupid if you don't know who wins

Sasuke still takes 3 with ease if he fights optimally. Kurama isn't even a factor and Sasuke can even use him to his advantage.

Right the base been off it rockers lately concerning rinnegan Sasuke.



Sasuke wins all three neg diff.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Why is this topic constantly being debated?

Madara flying Bijuudama swords can be thrown off track via Sasuke targeting CT toward them. SS is never doing any real damage to Sasuke's Susanoo since Madara Ps was only half busted after it's assault. Sasuke Susanoo has a huge speed and durability advantage over both of their constructs. If he's smart he'd use Ameno to blitz Kyuubi Ps fusion and deal one deadly blow to the head and completely crushed Madara in side the diamond while also putting the Kyuubi down via split head.

I honestly don't think SS is anymore durable than Madara Ps it tanked/Survived the Bijuudama's via attrition. The fact that the Bijuudama's completely destroyed SS hands should be a clear indicator of this as well.

Example- If a human such a my size 5'7 were to hold a grenade and have it go off my entire body would be completely blown away. If i was 50ft with the exact same durability i would only lose the arm holding the grenade so does that make me more durable than my 5'7 self no it doesn't. I survived via size and attrition since the attack aoe wasn't big enough to completely take me out.

 

[ARGUS]

^ your analogy for Sasukes PS suffering no damages from SS/12 TBB is completely wrong when they yielded an explosion far larger than PS-Chidori and RSM TBB. The latter which peeled off the entire side of his PS

 

[DemonicAvenger]

^ your analogy for Sasukes PS suffering no damages from SS/12 TBB is completely wrong when they yielded an explosion far larger than PS-Chidori and RSM TBB. The latter which peeled off the entire side of his PS

It's really fallacious to compare the explosions like that. The Bijudama exploded behind SS and Chojos part of the explosion would have been the ground. That puts them an outrageous distance apart since most attempts at scaling SS put it at around 1-2 miles tall. We've already had a thread about this where it was agreed that there's was a large area in between PS Kurama and SS where there was no damage taken.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

^ your analogy for Sasukes PS suffering no damages from SS/12 TBB is completely wrong when they yielded an explosion far larger than PS-Chidori and RSM TBB. The latter which peeled off the entire side of his PS

You don't get what im saying. I said SS can't dish out the damage equivalent to RSM Naruto Bijuudama thus SS is never harming his PS. That huge explosion was caused by Madara not Hashirama. Hashirama strongest attack failed to completely bust a regular PS. Choujou is never busting open Sasuke's.

Smart thing to do is to Ameno blitz and take out Madara once that's done Hashirama is then stomped.

 

[adeshina365]

Many are forgetting the strategic importance of techniques like CT. It will function well in throwing the opposition off balance and dividing their attention. Additionally, Sasuke's Rinnegan genjutsu will most definitely override Madara's control of the Kyuubi.

Unfortunately ARGUS is so shallow minded that his argument begins and ends at the sizes of explosions.

 

[Red Slayer]

Foudders lose

 

[ARGUS]

It's really fallacious to compare the explosions like that. The Bijudama exploded behind SS and Chojos part of the explosion would have been the ground. That puts them an outrageous distance apart since most attempts at scaling SS put it at around 1-2 miles tall. We've already had a thread about this where it was agreed that there's was a large area in between PS Kurama and SS where there was no damage taken.

This whole point is incorrect
Whether the TBB hit outside or behind is completely irrlevant because the Whole explosion was a result of the clash between Chojo and TBB. And hence was the collective power of it which occurred simultaneously

So no. The explosion was larger thus stronger than vote2

You don't get what im saying. I said SS can't dish out the damage equivalent to RSM Naruto Bijuudama thus SS is never harming his PS.

And I'm saying that it can, because it yielded an explosion greater than vote2

That huge explosion was caused by Madara not Hashirama. Hashirama strongest attack failed to completely bust a regular PS. Choujou is never busting open Sasuke's.

Bold makes zero sense, and just contradicts your case even more
If the huge explosion is only made by the TBB, then by that logic, just Madaras attack is stronger than the collective might of naruto/sasuke which clearly damaged their constructs

Bold is also a stupid point, because by that logic, Chojo contributed nothing to the explosion at all, nor did it damage PS at all. Despite there being a clear scan of Chojo hitting PS, (atleast the remaining arms)

As for the output, if vote1 > vote2. And if the latter clearly damaged Sasukes PS. Then Chojo damages it more, and if it pins down his PS, then the punches can repeatedly punch PS till it busts open

As for what went down:
Chojo hit PS
Ps-TBB hit SS

These attacks respectively Destroyed the constructs they hit

Smart thing to do is to Ameno blitz and take out Madara once that's done Hashirama is then stomped.

He can't ameno blitz and one shot Madara, without Hashirama doing anything at all, nor can he one shot PS-Kyuubi when it'll just spam it's TBB.

-- he can't stomp Hashirama, hell he can't even deal with his firepower when Chojo is above anything in his arsenal
-- he can't overpower their combined firepower
-- and he can't tank their attacks in the long run

He stands no chance against them together

Many are forgetting the strategic importance of techniques like CT. It will function well in throwing the opposition off balance and dividing their attention. Additionally, Sasuke's Rinnegan genjutsu will most definitely override Madara's control of the Kyuubi.

You mean Sasukes measly bijuu sized CT?
Lol one PS slash from Madara and they're chopped in half. Accomplishes absolutely nothing,
One deals with CT. The other attacks sasuke

Unfortunately ARGUS is so shallow minded that his argument begins and ends at the sizes of explosions.

So by your amazing logic Rasengan >> Juubidama because larger explosions don't indicate stronger explosive attacks

Either way, the only shallow minded people here are the retards who think that Sasukes PS deals with their firepower when his PS was canonically damaged from an attack much weaker than their combined might

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

And I'm saying that it can, because it yielded an explosion greater than vote2

Vote2 Chidori Bijuudama explosion>Hashirama and Madara. Yes it's obvious that the founders explosion was bigger but the vote2 explosion had far more potency. Same logic applies with Deidara explosions compared to Bijuudama's.

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. Makes mountains look like hills. It is just as big as the

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. So are they the same in attack power? No there not and the reason behide that is Bijuu chakra potency>Deidara's which is why Bijuudama's>C0. Same thing applies here. RSM Naruto Chakra potency>>>>>Kurama's.

Bold makes zero sense, and just contradicts your case even more
If the huge explosion is only made by the TBB, then by that logic, just Madaras attack is stronger than the collective might of naruto/sasuke which clearly damaged their constructs

Bold is also a stupid point, because by that logic, Chojo contributed nothing to the explosion at all, nor did it damage PS at all. Despite there being a clear scan of Chojo hitting PS, (atleast the remaining arms)

Your not getting what im saying clearly. The Huge aoe was infact made by the Bijuudama's and Ps blades. Punches don't/doesn't cause huge explosions. Furthermore all SS punches landed on Ps which means there was no possible way for SS punches to cause explosions. Vote Madara offense is far greater than SS which is why Sasuke take him out first via Ameno.

Chojo didn't contribute to the explosion all it did was bust half of Madara PS off.

As for the output, if vote1 > vote2. And if the latter clearly damaged Sasukes PS. Then Chojo damages it more, and if it pins down his PS, then the punches can repeatedly punch PS till it busts open

As for what went down:
Chojo hit PS
Ps-TBB hit SS

These attacks respectively Destroyed the constructs they hit

Chojo offense couldn't completely bust a regular PS nothing suggest it will do any serious damage to Sasuke's PS. SS is never holding down Sasuke Ps due to it's speed and striking power so that's a moot claim.

He can't ameno blitz and one shot Madara, without Hashirama doing anything at all, nor can he one shot PS-Kyuubi when it'll just spam it's TBB.

-- he can't stomp Hashirama, hell he can't even deal with his firepower when Chojo is above anything in his arsenal
-- he can't overpower their combined firepower
-- and he can't tank their attacks in the long run

He stands no chance against them together

Hashirama can't react to a PS Ameno blitz when

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. Kyuubi constantly shooting Tbb won't help since Sasuke will appear behide the avatar to land his strike which means the Bijuudama's are evaded since they'll be being fired in the opposite direction. Once Sasuke use Kyuubi as the core for CT the Bijuudama will just explode in his face since they'll be constantly crashing into rocks.

Chojo can't even take out an EMS PS yet it's above anything in Sasuke PS arsenal? You realize that his PS Chidori matched RSM Naruto Bijuudama which would obliterate EMS Madara's PS completely.

 

[ARGUS]

Vote2 Chidori Bijuudama explosion>Hashirama and Madara. Yes it's obvious that the founders explosion was bigger but the vote2 explosion had far more potency. Same logic applies with Deidara explosions compared to Bijuudama's.

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. Makes mountains look like hills. It is just as big as the

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. So are they the same in attack power? No there not and the reason behide that is Bijuu chakra potency>Deidara's which is why Bijuudama's>C0. Same thing applies here. RSM Naruto Chakra potency>>>>>Kurama's.

The bold is a completely baseless point which is backed up by a completely irrlevant example
First of all. We're comparing TBB with TBB, why are you bringing attacks of completely different nature here to justify that vote2 is stronger?
RSM narutos chakra potency being above regular Kurmaas means that a TBB of the same size by him would be above full Kyuubi.
Doesn't mean that a single regular TBB of his is above 12 of kyuubis. Terrible ass thinking to make such claim.
We compare their blast radius. And the bigger explosion is the stronger one

Your not getting what im saying clearly. The Huge aoe was infact made by the Bijuudama's and Ps blades. Punches don't/doesn't cause huge explosions. Furthermore all SS punches landed on Ps which means there was no possible way for SS punches to cause explosions.

AOE was the result of Chojo clashing with TBB.
Irrlevant if Chojo doesn't form explosion because neither does Indras arrow or chidori yet when they clashed with narutos nukes, they both formed a big explosion.

Vote Madara offense is far greater than SS

Clearly you didn't read the manga if you're saying this
Because Chojo matched vote Madaras offense
They were both even

which is why Sasuke take him out first via Ameno.

Chojo didn't contribute to the explosion all it did was bust half of Madara PS off.

This is already addressed and is a bad point made from terrible reasoning

Chojo offense couldn't completely bust a regular PS nothing suggest it will do any serious damage to Sasuke's PS.

Lol it canonically busted Madaras PS and made it unusable
But by now I have already seen that you have no clue what you're talking about

As for sasukes PS. Lol if an explosion much weaker than vote1 damage his PS. Then Madara/Hashirama obviously have the output to bust his PS

SS is never holding down Sasuke Ps due to it's speed and striking power so that's a moot claim.

It's speed doesn't let him evade 1000 mountain dwarving hands
It's striking power is not letting him match Chojo. So terrible point

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Lol what the hell.
This is a feat of BPS
Irrelevant here

Kyuubi constantly shooting Tbb won't help since Sasuke will appear behide the avatar to land his strike which means the Bijuudama's are evaded

Ameno has a range of about 70m Max. Less than what the TSB could reach
So no, they're not evaded.
If he lands behind Madara then he has a cool down and Hashirama lands Chojo on him, continuously punching him to oblivion.

Tbb won't be fired point blank either, so this won't be Happening

since they'll be being fired in the opposite direction. Once Sasuke use Kyuubi as the core for CT the Bijuudama will just explode in his face since they'll be constantly crashing into rocks.

To do that he needs to get through PS.
Which will one shot his measly CT.

Chojo can't even take out an EMS PS yet it's above anything in Sasuke PS arsenal?

1. Chojo took out Madaras PS. So terrible ass point
2. It not one shotting Madaras PS (by your analogy) doesn't equate to it having inferior firepower to Sasukes PS,

Sasukes best move is PS-Chidori. Which whilst combined with a technique on its same level (it's diameter) was still inferior to the radius of vote1 clash

You realize that his PS Chidori matched RSM Naruto Bijuudama which would obliterate EMS Madara's PS completely.

RSM TBB won't obliterate Madaras PS completely when an attack far above it was needed to bust his PS

Either provide evidence for such baseless claims or just concede

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

the bold is a completely baseless point which is backed up by a completely irrlevant example
first of all. We're comparing tbb with tbb, why are you bringing attacks of completely different nature here to justify that vote2 is stronger?
Rsm narutos chakra potency being above regular kurmaas means that a tbb of the same size by him would be above full kyuubi.
Doesn't mean that a single regular tbb of his is above 12 of kyuubis. Terrible ass thinking to make such claim.
We compare their blast radius. And the bigger explosion is the stronger one

How is the bold baseless when Rikudo chakra inhanced Kurama shits on regular Kurama this is basic knowledge. Manga suggest it does. 1 standard size tbb from RSM Naruto

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. That explosion alone is near the size of founder explosion. What you don't realize is that 12 TBB from Kurama only add size to and attack while the potency is still lack luster. How are they different jutsu there the same jutsu it uses chakra to cause an explosion one is used through Bijuu chakra while the other is used through regular shinobi chakra.

aoe was the result of chojo clashing with tbb.
Irrlevant if chojo doesn't form explosion because neither does indras arrow or chidori yet when they clashed with narutos nukes, they both formed a big explosion.

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was all Naruto if you didn't notice. Indra arrow doesn't cause an explosion based on what exactly? That was it first time being shown so it's baseless for you to say it doesn't cause any explosion since it actually does hence the

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from all around the world. While Chidori on the other hand doesn't cause any explosion thus that vote2 explosion was all Naruto like i said before.

Clearly you didn't read the manga if you're saying this
because chojo matched vote madaras offense
they were both even

Vote Madara offense shits on SS offense. If you really think there equal just run this simulation.

SS uses Chojo on another SS. The SS taking Chojo wouldn't even be badly damaged at all.

Now try this simulation. PS Kurama fusion being hit with 12 Bijuudama and Ps blades. Madara and Kurama would be completely blown away. It's clear that vote1 Madara has the better offense and it's not even comparable.

this is already addressed and is a bad point made from terrible reasoning

Unless you can prove Mokuton punches causes an explosion you can drop the claim.

lol it canonically busted madaras ps and made it unusable
but by now i have already seen that you have no clue what you're talking about

as for sasukes ps. Lol if an explosion much weaker than vote1 damage his ps. Then madara/hashirama obviously have the output to bust his ps

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as in cannon. Add a Rikudo buff and Chojo is tanked easily. No evidence suggest that vote2 explosion was weaker than the founders explosion. It's bigger isn't an argument when the potency of the chakra's being used are on two completely different levels. With the logic your implying here i could argue that c0 is stronger than a Flash Bijuudama since the explosion is bigger.

it's speed doesn't let him evade 1000 mountain dwarving hands
it's striking power is not letting him match chojo. So terrible point

He has 0 reason to evade when he can chop them off. Sasuke PS striking power shits on SS. It was able to slice

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. SS best feat is failing to completely obliterate an EMS Perfect Susanoo.

lol what the hell.
This is a feat of bps
irrelevant here

Does it matter if it's BPS? He wouldn't need to use BPS on Hashirama or Madara since RSM Naruto reaction time is leagues above both of theirs so a regular PS ameno blitz would suffice. Juubi Jin Madara himself couldn't react to an Ameno blitz no way in hell is Hashirama.

ameno has a range of about 70m max. Less than what the tsb could reach
so no, they're not evaded.
If he lands behind madara then he has a cool down and hashirama lands chojo on him, continuously punching him to oblivion.

Tbb won't be fired point blank either, so this won't be happening

70m? Your terrible wrong here. Sasuke used Ameno to blitz Naruto from

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which is by the way multiple mountain ranges do your research before you spit out nonsense. Once he one shots Madara via head slice. SS is then carved up. Sasuke PS will take some hits but seeing as how Madara Ps stood up against SS chojo Sasuke's does the same in a much easier manner.

to do that he needs to get through ps.
Which will one shot his measly ct.

How is his Chibaku Tensei measly? It was used to trap Bijuu there was no point in making them huge in size. Sasuke could easily make a Chibaku Tensei the size of Madara's via Hagoromo chakra. Nagato states himself that CT size is correlated to the users chakra pool. Sasuke having 50% of Hagoromo's chakra means he can make a CT just as big as Madara.

1. Chojo took out madaras ps. So terrible ass point
2. It not one shotting madaras ps (by your analogy) doesn't equate to it having inferior firepower to sasukes ps,

sasukes best move is ps-chidori. Which whilst combined with a technique on its same level (it's diameter) was still inferior to the radius of vote1 clash


rsm tbb won't obliterate madaras ps completely when an attack far above it was needed to bust his ps

either provide evidence for such baseless claims or just concede

Chojo isn't taking out Sasuke PS so it doesn't matter. Madara Ps isn't tanking a Rikudo buff PS slice to the head. Size doesn't = power not when the chakra potency are completely different.

So Chojo>RSM Naruto TBB? EMS Madara PS>RSM Naruto Tbb? Your basically implying that EMS Madara Ps is more durable than Rinnegan Sasuke PS you realize that right?

 

[ARGUS]

How is the bold baseless when Rikudo chakra inhanced Kurama shits on regular Kurama this is basic knowledge. Manga suggest it does. 1 standard size tbb from RSM Naruto

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. That explosion alone is near the size of founder explosion.

Bold is perhaps the worst argument i have ever heard.
slap yourself if you think that

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1. THe explosion you are using is the equivalent of 2 regular RSM TBB, not one.
2. Its not on the same level, when the VOTE1 explosion formed a valley

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, whilst VOTE2 still perfectly fitted inside the vicinity.
3. The radius of the VOTE1 explosion is much larger than the diameter of the VOTE2 explosion, half of which is only represented by RSM TBB,

yet youre comparing that same RSM TBB and putting it at the same level as VOTE1, solely because lol rikduo boost

What you don't realize is that 12 TBB from Kurama only add size to and attack while the potency is still lack luster. How are they different jutsu there the same jutsu it uses chakra to cause an explosion one is used through Bijuu chakra while the other is used through regular shinobi chakra.

this is repeated just from the previous argument which you still havent countered.

do you even know what potency means?
in this case it would mean that a TBB ball of the same size, amplified by rikudo buff is stronger than a regular TBB of the same size.

by your logic (which is incredibly shit) you have come to the baseless conclusion that one of this TBB is above 12 of the regular
even though their blast radius clearly tell another story.

Juubidama from V2 juubi is nowhere even close to the size of combo flash TBB that naruto/bee formed. yet their blast radius gap is incredibly large.
same is the case here. if an explosion equivlent to 2 RSM TBB is below that of VOTE1, then its weaker.
that simple

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was all Naruto if you didn't notice

perhaps one of the worst arguments again.
the explosion was the collective might of PS-Chidori and RSM TBB. meaning only half of it was naruto.

again by this logic, the enton/rasengan clash was all naruto.
VOTE1 clash was all madara, VOTE3 clash was all naruto, etc.
terrible ass argument when the whole explosion occurs because the 2 ttechniques collide

. Indra arrow doesn't cause an explosion based on what exactly? That was it first time being shown so it's baseless for you to say it doesn't cause any explosion since it actually does hence the

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from all around the world. While Chidori on the other hand doesn't cause any explosion thus that vote2 explosion was all Naruto like i said before.

Because Indras Arrow is a piercing arrow that is augmented by lightning.
arrows dont cause explosions. shitty argument backed up by nothing

and Lol, the bold is soo terrible, i cant even.
if the explosion was all naruto, then sasukes chidori would have been straight up overpowered and useless.

Vote Madara offense shits on SS offense. If you really think there equal just run this simulation.

Yet Chojo went through those TBB and ended up busting PS.

SS uses Chojo on another SS. The SS taking Chojo wouldn't even be badly damaged at all.

sigh

Now try this simulation. PS Kurama fusion being hit with 12 Bijuudama and Ps blades. Madara and Kurama would be completely blown away. It's clear that vote1 Madara has the better offense and it's not even comparable.

They will be blown away because they are on par with Chojo which canonically was the reason PS was busted.
and No.
if VOTE madaras Firepower > SS then he would have won that encounter, and not ended up without his defense and his offense turned to a pet

Unless you can prove Mokuton punches causes an explosion you can drop the claim.

when an attack equivalent to an explosive attack collides with it, then a single giant explosion is formed due to such thing.
Chidori doesnt form explosions, enton doesnt form explosions, susanoo arrow doesnt form explosions, yet wheneer they collided with Rasengans/TBB they formed an explosion

im done giving multiple exmaples when all youre gna do is repeat the same rubbish all over again

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as in cannon.

no the PS was completely busted with madara himself exposed.
whether it was turned to nothing or not is compeltely irrelevant when the attack clearly breached the defenses

Add a Rikudo buff and Chojo is tanked easily.

never said that Chojo one shots the PS, but it can bust it since chojo can repeatedly punch it,
add on madaras TBB barrage, and its definitely busted

No evidence suggest that vote2 explosion was weaker than the founders explosion. It's bigger isn't an argument when the potency of the chakra's being used are on two completely different levels. With the logic your implying here i could argue that c0 is stronger than a Flash Bijuudama since the explosion is bigger.

Already explained this ridiculous thinking. im tired of addressin the same recycled points
chidori is more potent than a juubidama. in a sense that all of its power is focused on point as opposed to kilometers worth of an explosion.
by your logic chidori > juubidama beacuse lol potency.

He has 0 reason to evade when he can chop them off.

not all 1000, hell no

Sasuke PS striking power shits on SS. It was able to slice

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. SS best feat is failing to completely obliterate an EMS Perfect Susanoo.

1. No evidence to state that madaras CT are more durable than SS, nor is that even a relevant here.
2. VOTE1 clash >> PS-Chidori/RSM TBB >>> PS Slash in output. and SS was still able to protect hashirama from VOTE1, so PS slash has no chance in busting SS.
Sasukes PS slashes were tanked by the RSM avatar tails with no damages whatsoever.
PS-Chidori/RSM TBB ended up peeling an entire side of their avatars.
and the above attack is much weaker than VOTE1 based on their blast radius, so no way in hell is sasukes PS slashes parrying a barrage of Chojo which is above RSM TBB in output which is far far above PS slash in output

Does it matter if it's BPS? He wouldn't need to use BPS on Hashirama or Madara since RSM Naruto reaction time is leagues above both of theirs so a regular PS ameno blitz would suffice. Juubi Jin Madara himself couldn't react to an Ameno blitz no way in hell is Hashirama.

yes it does matter because BPS >> Sasuke in sstriking speed,
same reason how RSM naruto easily reacted to sasukes ameno strike despite the katon fient but was blitzed by BPS completely

madara and hashirama dont need to replicate narutos feat, nor are they even in the same scenario as him, so moot point

70m? Your terrible wrong here. Sasuke used Ameno to blitz Naruto from

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which is by the way multiple mountain ranges do your research before you spit out nonsense.

yeah thats not mountain ranges what the hell,
the dude had to run to come as close to 5m, to warp to sakura, and jin madara easily outran the range of ameno yet you think he can teleport atleast 70m, lol

and lol you have the audacity to call my arguments nonsnse when youre the same guy who has already said:
1. Chojo and Indras Arrow contrubuted nothing in their respective explosions
2. PS slash one shots SS, despite the latter requiring something well above to take it out
3. Lol potency equating to attacks being automatically stronger, all while ignoring all evidence presented
4. SS failing to bust PS despite the manga showing otherwise
5. VOTE madaras firepower >> SS despite the manga showing otherwise

Once he one shots Madara via head slice.

it required VOTE1 to one shot PS.
VOTE1 >> VOTE2 >>>> PS Slash,
so a one shot is out of the question

SS is then carved up.

Baseless and already refuted

Sasuke PS will take some hits but seeing as how Madara Ps stood up against SS chojo Sasuke's does the same in a much easier manner.

Madaras PS was busted you idiot

How is his Chibaku Tensei measly? It was used to trap Bijuu there was no point in making them huge in size. Sasuke could easily make a Chibaku Tensei the size of Madara's via Hagoromo chakra
bold is a completely nonsensical point when theres absolutely no evidence of sasuke being able to replicate that.
sasuke having hagooromos chakra doesnt mean he can do it, when amount also comes in play. in which case madara >>> Sasuke

and if sasuke uses a CT of the level he used against the bijuu, then its nothing but worthless.

the duo wont just stand there either and let it expand, theyll quickly bust it up

Nagato states himself that CT size is correlated to the users chakra pool. Sasuke having 50% of Hagoromo's chakra means he can make a CT just as big as Madara.

and then its this rubbish.
1. Sasuke having half of rikudo chakra doesnt mean he can pool all of that in
2. Madaras chakra >>> Sasukes since he has the juubi, has much higher reserves pre buff, and has rikudo chakra just like sasuke.

Chojo isn't taking out Sasuke PS so it doesn't matter.

already addressed on why it can.
either provide evidence or GTFO

Madara Ps isn't tanking a Rikudo buff PS slice to the head.

Already addressed this rubbish

Size doesn't = power not when the chakra potency are completely different.

Already addressed this rubbish

So Chojo>RSM Naruto TBB? EMS Madara PS>RSM Naruto Tbb? Your basically implying that EMS Madara Ps is more durable than Rinnegan Sasuke PS you realize that right?

Did EMS madaras PS slash match Chojo? no it didnt. so shitty as point.

was the explosion equivalent to 2 RSM TBB bigger than VOTE1 clash? no it wasnt.
so till then chojo is stronger than RSM TBB, period

thatss alll that needs to be said

never said that madaras PS is more durable than Sasukes. but it is nonsensical to claim that sasukes PS can one shot madaras PS when an attack far stronger was the minimum required to bust madaras PS.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Bold is perhaps the worst argument i have ever heard.
slap yourself if you think that

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, is even on the same league as

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.

1. THe explosion you are using is the equivalent of 2 regular RSM TBB, not one.
2. Its not on the same level, when the VOTE1 explosion formed a valley

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, whilst VOTE2 still perfectly fitted inside the vicinity.
3. The radius of the VOTE1 explosion is much larger than the diameter of the VOTE2 explosion, half of which is only represented by RSM TBB,

yet youre comparing that same RSM TBB and putting it at the same level as VOTE1, solely because lol rikduo boost

So there not in the same league? Lol your trying to deny the claim that Madara PS>Rinnegan Sasuke Ps yet your still making claims like that? Lol not sure if you see it or not but your basically saying EMS Madara Perfect Susanoo is greater than Rinnegan Sasukes which is wrong on every level. As i said before Explosion size is irrelevant when the chakra potency are on two different levels.

this is repeated just from the previous argument which you still havent countered.

do you even know what potency means?
in this case it would mean that a TBB ball of the same size, amplified by rikudo buff is stronger than a regular TBB of the same size.

by your logic (which is incredibly shit) you have come to the baseless conclusion that one of this TBB is above 12 of the regular
even though their blast radius clearly tell another story.

Juubidama from V2 juubi is nowhere even close to the size of combo flash TBB that naruto/bee formed. yet their blast radius gap is incredibly large.
same is the case here. if an explosion equivlent to 2 RSM TBB is below that of VOTE1, then its weaker.
that simple

No do you even know what potency is? Rikudo chakra is more potent than any other chakra bar Kaguya's. Kurama or any of the Bijuu is no exception. Blast radius is completely irrelevant. 100% Kurama

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. All other Bijuu tbb are

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. Yet Kurama tbb is still more powerful. Size doesn't mean anything.

At this point im starting to think your blind.

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isn't anywhere near the size of

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. You've clearly ran out of BS to sprout.
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perhaps one of the worst arguments again.
the explosion was the collective might of PS-Chidori and RSM TBB. meaning only half of it was naruto.

again by this logic, the enton/rasengan clash was all naruto.
VOTE1 clash was all madara, VOTE3 clash was all naruto, etc.
terrible ass argument when the whole explosion occurs because the 2 ttechniques collide

The explosion was all Naruto that was nothing but a Bijuudama explosion you saying they clashed means shit when the Chidori only caused the Bijuudama to explode none of that explosion was the Chidori end of discussion. Enton Rasengan clash wasn't all Naruto since we could clearly see the

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when the FRS exploded. Think before you post please!!!!!

Because Indras Arrow is a piercing arrow that is augmented by lightning.
arrows dont cause explosions. shitty argument backed up by nothing

and Lol, the bold is soo terrible, i cant even.
if the explosion was all naruto, then sasukes chidori would have been straight up overpowered and useless.

Yes because you've seen Indra's arrow used before and it only pierced the selected target. Lol your a clown.

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so obviously it causes an explosion since you can see lighting shooting out from everywhere while when the Chidori clashed with the Bijuudama there was no explosion. Your retarded af don't expect a reply.

Yet Chojo went through those TBB and ended up busting PS.

Chojo didn't go through the TBB's There were opening in Madara attack where SS hands breach and this scan is

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of that.

They will be blown away because they are on par with Chojo which canonically was the reason PS was busted.
and No.
if VOTE madaras Firepower > SS then he would have won that encounter, and not ended up without his defense and his offense turned to a pet

WRONG VOTE Madara lost via defense. His offense was more than enough to to take down SS while it was his defense that failed against Chojo which is why he lost.

when an attack equivalent to an explosive attack collides with it, then a single giant explosion is formed due to such thing.
Chidori doesnt form explosions, enton doesnt form explosions, susanoo arrow doesnt form explosions, yet wheneer they collided with Rasengans/TBB they formed an explosion

im done giving multiple exmaples when all youre gna do is repeat the same rubbish all over again

Except SS punches never clashed with Bijuudama's. All SS punches landed on Madara this

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proves that. Not only that but all the TBB were

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. So another point on you being horribly wrong as usual.

no the PS was completely busted with madara himself exposed.
whether it was turned to nothing or not is compeltely irrelevant when the attack clearly breached the defenses

This

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completely disagrees with Bold. Half of Kurama's body is clearly covered in PS but i guess half= completely now.

never said that Chojo one shots the PS, but it can bust it since chojo can repeatedly punch it,
add on madaras TBB barrage, and its definitely busted

Madara will be getting one shotted so his offensive powers aren't going to bail Hashirama out once the assault begins. Chojo failed to bust a regular PS. Sasuke carves SS up before his PS takes any real damage.

Already explained this ridiculous thinking. im tired of addressin the same recycled points
chidori is more potent than a juubidama. in a sense that all of its power is focused on point as opposed to kilometers worth of an explosion.
by your logic chidori > juubidama beacuse lol potency.

Chidori isn't more potent than a Juubidama since Hagoromo chakra potency is on the same level as the Juubi so your completely wrong here.

not all 1000, hell no

There's actually more than 100 and yes he would be able to slice them all up we've seen him dice up two meteors within 1 second. SS is made short work of.

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1. No evidence to state that madaras CT are more durable than SS, nor is that even a relevant here.
2. VOTE1 clash >> PS-Chidori/RSM TBB >>> PS Slash in output. and SS was still able to protect hashirama from VOTE1, so PS slash has no chance in busting SS.
Sasukes PS slashes were tanked by the RSM avatar tails with no damages whatsoever.
PS-Chidori/RSM TBB ended up peeling an entire side of their avatars.
and the above attack is much weaker than VOTE1 based on their blast radius, so no way in hell is sasukes PS slashes parrying a barrage of Chojo which is above RSM TBB in output which is far far above PS slash in output

Doesn't need to be more durable then SS when we know these to things.

1- Sasuke PS can cut through SS.
2- SS isn't as big a the CT thus Sasuke could cut through SS within the time span of 1 second.

That logic is horrible. Hachibi body tanked it's own Bijuudama so i assume anything that can't make an explosion as big as a Bijuudama isn't going to harm Hachibi. Amaterasu,Chidori spear,Giant Kunai etc all disagree with your 1st grade logic. RSM Kurama is more durable than SS so what does that mean?

yes it does matter because BPS >> Sasuke in sstriking speed,
same reason how RSM naruto easily reacted to sasukes ameno strike despite the katon fient but was blitzed by BPS completely

madara and hashirama dont need to replicate narutos feat, nor are they even in the same scenario as him, so moot point

BPS isn't needed when Hashirama and Madara doesn't have the reactions of RSM Naruto. RSM Naruto reacting to Ameno doesn't help your case when JJ Madara

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. How won't they be once Sasuke uses Ps he then uses Ameno to blitz Madara and take him out via headshot. Your trying to ignore the argument since you have no logical reasons as to why it would work.

yeah thats not mountain ranges what the hell,
the dude had to run to come as close to 5m, to warp to sakura, and jin madara easily outran the range of ameno yet you think he can teleport atleast 70m, lol

Abilities when used while Susanoo is active are increased and this have been shown multiple times in the Manga.

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. Sasuke Ps chidori match RSM Naruto Bijuudama so i guess he could have match RSM Naruto Bijuudama

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. Ameno covered mountain range end of discussion. Even more proof is that we can see RSM Kurama being the size of a mountain in this

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. The gap between Naruto and Sasuke

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can easily fit 10-15 Kurama's in it.

and lol you have the audacity to call my arguments nonsnse when youre the same guy who has already said:
1. Chojo and Indras Arrow contrubuted nothing in their respective explosions
2. PS slash one shots SS, despite the latter requiring something well above to take it out
3. Lol potency equating to attacks being automatically stronger, all while ignoring all evidence presented
4. SS failing to bust PS despite the manga showing otherwise
5. VOTE madaras firepower >> SS despite the manga showing otherwise

it required VOTE1 to one shot PS.
VOTE1 >> VOTE2 >>>> PS Slash,
so a one shot is out of the question

1-Never said Indra's arrow contributed nothing to the explosion i actually said it did hence the lighting striking around the world. It's clear you don't read because if you did you would have known that.

2- Never said Ps slash one shots SS i said it would one shot Madara ps fusion if it slices the head once again clearly your not reading you just typing bs.

3- Potency does mean it's stronger and that's obvious.

4- SS failed to completely bust Ps.

5- Vote Madara fire power does beats SS. As It completely took all of SS arms away except the ones on the main body. Chojo would never be able to replicate that same feat if it was used against SS since Chojo failed to completely bbust a PS.

aseless and already refuted

Madaras PS was busted you idiot

You can only address something when you counter it with a real argument which you didn't. Madara Ps was only half way busted.

bold is a completely nonsensical point when theres absolutely no evidence of sasuke being able to replicate that.
sasuke having hagooromos chakra doesnt mean he can do it, when amount also comes in play. in which case madara >>> Sasuke

and if sasuke uses a CT of the level he used against the bijuu, then its nothing but worthless.

the duo wont just stand there either and let it expand, theyll quickly bust it up

Except it's not baseless when the level of an attack in NV depends on the chakra being used. Kakashi kamui become Juubi warping when more chakra was added to it. Juubi TBB is the biggest since it contains the most chakra out of every TBB we've seen thus far. Madara having more chakra than Sasuke is useless when he doesn't need to make as many CT as Madara two alone would suffice.

and then its this rubbish.
1. Sasuke having half of rikudo chakra doesnt mean he can pool all of that in
2. Madaras chakra >>> Sasukes since he has the juubi, has much higher reserves pre buff, and has rikudo chakra just like sasuke.

Doesn't need to pull off all of that all he needs is to use 2 of them.

already addressed on why it can.
either provide evidence or GTFO

Already addressed this rubbish


Already addressed this rubbish

You didn't address anything.

Did EMS madaras PS slash match Chojo? no it didnt. so shitty as point.

was the explosion equivalent to 2 RSM TBB bigger than VOTE1 clash? no it wasnt.
so till then chojo is stronger than RSM TBB, period

thatss alll that needs to be said

never said that madaras PS is more durable than Sasukes. but it is nonsensical to claim that sasukes PS can one shot madaras PS when an attack far stronger was the minimum required to bust madaras PS.

Madara ps slash was never used against Chojo so what point are you trying to make? Chojo had nothing to do with that explosion so what are you talking about? You didn't have to directly say it when your saying the following...

Vote explosion> Vote2 explosion so they can't harm or damage SS or PS Kurama. That's the same as saying EMS Madara Ps is stronger than Rinnegan Sasuke.

 

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Back to this? Sasuke wins. No counter for Chibaku tensei or genjutsu.

Lmao.

Lol so you still believe Madara and Hashirama wins?

 

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They can't counter his rinnegan genjutsu nor can they escape coreless CT, Kurama is irrelevant and would actually work in Sasuke's favor via superior rinnegan genjutsu and with a PS ameno chidori blitz aimed directly at Madara/Hashirama is a sure kill.

 

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They can't counter his rinnegan genjutsu nor can they escape coreless CT, Kurama is irrelevant and would actually work in Sasuke's favor via superior rinnegan genjutsu and with a PS ameno chidori blitz aimed directly at Madara/Hashirama is a sure kill.

This. Genjutsu one shots. Also Sasuke ps speed is constantly overlooked.

 

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This. Genjutsu one shots.Also Sasuke ps speed is constantly overlooked.

I highly agree

Ameno aside, Sasuke's PS did some extremely impressive speed feats while in flight, most notably him coming down to save team 7 from IT, covering this distance before IT was casted:

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Why this was overlooked is beyond me.

He should be blitzing them like a hawk catching it's prey with that speed.

 

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I highly agree

Ameno aside, Sasuke's PS did some extremely impressive speed feats while in flight, most notably him coming down to save team 7 from IT, covering this distance before IT was casted:

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Why this was overlooked is beyond me.

He should be blitzing them like a hawk catching it's prey with that speed.

Excellent. It should be noted that Sasuke's PS blitzed a buy with MS eyes all over his body.