Rinnegan Sasuke vs EMS Madara

[Passerby]

This is Sasuke from when he had his final fight with Naruto vs Prime EMS Madara.

Restrictions : Bijuu and Rikudo Chakra for Sasuke. He can use his Canon Rinnegan feats only.

S1- Madara and Sasuke start in Base Mode

S2- Madara starts while in his Kurama Susanoo and Sasuke starts in his Susanoo.

IMO Sasuke will blitze Madara in S1 via Amenotijikara but as for S2 I think Madara will win due to having a more fire power...

 

[BLAZE]

Whose alt are you :|

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke would win if he can tag Madara before Susanoo is activated, but once it goes up he doesn't stand a chance of victory. He gets stomped in S2.

 

[LuckyMan]

Sasuke would win if he can tag Madara before Susanoo is activated, but once it goes up he doesn't stand a chance of victory. He gets stomped in S2.

How can he tag him? With no Ridoku power his stats are right back to where they were before Madara killed him and he couldn't even hit blind Madara so I doubt even with Ameno he's killing Madara because he still needs to strike, which isn't fast enough to hit Madara.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

How can he tag him? With no Ridoku power his stats are right back to where they were before Madara killed him and he couldn't even hit blind Madara so I doubt even with Ameno he's killing Madara because he still needs to strike, which isn't fast enough to hit Madara.

@bold:SM Madara with hashiroids*

OT: genjutsu: rinnegan ends it in a flash.

 

[KidGamer65]

How can he tag him? With no Ridoku power his stats are right back to where they were before Madara killed him and he couldn't even hit blind Madara so I doubt even with Ameno he's killing Madara because he still needs to strike, which isn't fast enough to hit Madara.

Which is irrelevant since Sasuke didn't have teleportation back then. Failing to tag Madara on foo=/=Failing to tag him w/ Ameno. So I hope you have something else to base your claim off of. As for why Sasuke can possibly tag (never he said he definitely does) Madara:

1. His regular movement speed is near the likes of KCM Naruto's regular movement speed. Which isn't far off from Minato's regular movement speed.

2. Downscaling from VoTE, he should be able to tag someone faster than BM Naruto in reaction speed, but slower than BSM Naruto. Madara's reaction speed only reaches Naruto's level with his EMS precog, and EMS precog is useless if Sasuke appears out of his LoS, so it'd be the same as teleporting and attacking a blind Madara. Blind Madara isn't going to react better to Ameno than BM or BSM Naruto would, so he's going to be tagged.

The only issue is his mental reaction. If it is fast enough, he can put Susanoo up, but if it isn't, he dies. Then there's the fact that Sasuke can swap with a weapon and have it attack Madara like he did to his JJ version.

And Lol just like the person above me pointed out, that was Sage Madara.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Sasuke would win if he can tag Madara before Susanoo is activated, but once it goes up he doesn't stand a chance of victory. He gets stomped in S2.

I don't see how Susanoo Kurama would give Sasuke trouble especially when he can free him from Madara's control and even put him in an breakable rinnegan genjutsu and take him for himself.

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't see how Susanoo Kurama would give Sasuke trouble especially when he can free him from Madara's control and even put him in an breakable rinnegan genjutsu and take him for himself.

Madara can just send Kurama away to prevent any Genjutsu control, and then obliterate Sasuke with Perfect Susanoo alone.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Madara can just send Kurama away to prevent any Genjutsu control, and then obliterate Sasuke with Perfect Susanoo alone.

Sasuke has a perfect susanoo that can absorb,fly and teleport thou, I can't see ems Madara's PS standing a chance, and using Kurama is risky because of the reasons I stated before that.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke has a perfect susanoo that can absorb,fly and teleport thou, I can't see ems Madara's PS standing a chance, and using Kurama is risky because of the reasons I stated before that.

-He can't absorb anything with PS. Not sure where that came from. He absorbed the Bijuu chakra with his Rinnegan, something he could only do because he was in complete control of them.
-All PS can fly if need be. DB 4 confirms it. Not to mention flight doesn't let him beat Madara's PS down.
-Teleportation is useless when his PS is weak in comparison to Madara's, thus can't hurt it.

3-4 swings of Madara's blade at most and Sasuke dies a terrible death if it's not enhanced by Rikudo's Chakra.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

-He can't absorb anything with PS. Not sure where that came from. He absorbed the Bijuu chakra with his Rinnegan, something he could only do because he was in complete control of them.
-All PS can fly if need be. DB 4 confirms it. Not to mention flight doesn't let him beat Madara's PS down.
-Teleportation is useless when his PS is weak in comparison to Madara's, thus can't hurt it.

3-4 swings of Madara's blade at most and Sasuke dies a terrible death if it's not enhanced by Rikudo's Chakra.

-I don't see why he can't since PS can use the same abilites as the user and he absorbed bijuu chakra through susanoo but Iet's just ignore this for now.

-ah yes you're right I remember that.

-What makes you say that Sasuke's PS is weaker? We've never seen it without Rikudo chakra so assuming it's weaker rather than equal doesn't seem right.

And With ameno Sasuke can do a PS chidori blitz which should be stronger than a PS slash.

And that's still not counting the things Madara can't counter like rinnegan genjutsu and the coreless CT(Madara and his PS as a core) which will trap Madara in CT, although not for long as he can PS slash his way out, this will give Sasuke a huge opening for an all out PS slash like he did to Madara's CT.

 

[KidGamer65]

-I don't see why he can't since PS can use the same abilites as the user and he absorbed bijuu chakra through susanoo but Iet's just ignore this for now.

No, PS can use Sasuke's Chidori. Not all his abilities.

-What makes you say that Sasuke's PS is weaker? We've never seen it without Rikudo chakra so assuming it's weaker rather than equal doesn't seem right.

1. Why would you assume it's equal? That doesn't make any more sense than assuming it's weaker.

2. Downscaling proves that the Susanoo Sasuke used against Juubito is the same level as his PS.

-It matches Naruto in durability, strength and speed. Just like Sasuke's PS at VoTE.

And With ameno Sasuke can do a PS chidori blitz which should be stronger than a PS slash.

Based on what? It's stronger than Sasuke's PS slash, but Madara's? At best it'd be around the same level.

And that's still not counting the things Madara can't counter like rinnegan genjutsu and the coreless CT(Madara and his PS as a core) which will trap Madara in CT, although not for long as he can PS slash his way out, this will give Sasuke a huge opening for an all out PS slash like he did to Madara's CT.

-Coreless CT is a Rikudo Sasuke feat.
-Rinnegan Genjutsu is seen through via Sharingan. The only thing special about it is that it was able to catch multiple targets with a glance, and that was when he had Rikudo's chakra buffing all his abilities.
-CT is easily cut apart with PS if Sasuke tries using it.

Then 3-4 slashes ends Sasuke's life.

 

[Lord Tywin]

You see rinnegan without Rikudo's chakra is impossible, unless it's planted.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

No, PS can use Sasuke's Chidori. Not all his abilities.

Madara's susanoo used a powerful banso tenin to bring down 2 meteorites, Kakashi/Obito's PS is able to use coat Kamui in it's weapons and Sasuke's can use Chidori and it absorbed chakra which is probably preta path since that's his only way of absorbing and ofcourse sasuke's PS used ameno, hell even Minato and Naruto could create rasengans with their BM which works similar to PS.

So basically he can use jutsu with PS.



1. Why would you assume it's equal? That doesn't make any more sense than assuming it's weaker.

2. Downscaling proves that the Susanoo Sasuke used against Juubito is the same level as his PS.

-It matches Naruto in durability, strength and speed. Just like Sasuke's PS at VoTE.

Vote 2 Naruto's Avatar is much stronger than the he used against Juubito because:
1-He has chakra from not just Kurama, but also the other tailed beasts

2-RSM>>>>>regular SM he used against Juubito

3- it has Rikudo chakra

If we remove Rikudo chakra Naruto's BM with chakra from all other beasts RSM instead of SM=Sasuke's PS

Saying Sasuke's PS is weaker is very stupid if you ask me

Both should be at the same power because it's the same jutsu, It's Like saying that Sasuke's Amaterasu is better than Itachi's (not counting Kagutsushi)


Based on what? It's stronger than Sasuke's PS slash, but Madara's? At best it'd be around the same level.
For starters, Sasuke's PS slash which should be the same as Madara's because of reasons above, couldn't harm RSM Naruto's Kurama avatar, but when he used Chidori with PS, he managed to Match Naruto's RSM bijudama and even damage it


-Coreless CT is a Rikudo Sasuke feat.

ehm, all of rinnegan Sasuke's feats are technically Rikudo Sasuke's feats and it Rinnegan technique so no
-Rinnegan Genjutsu is seen through via Sharingan. The only thing special about it is that it was able to catch multiple targets with a glance, and that was when he had Rikudo's chakra buffing all his abilities.
Genjutsu: rinnegan is a Lower scale IT and it's a rinnegan genjutsu which only another rinnegan can counter so a sharingan is not saving him
-CT is easily cut apart with PS if Sasuke tries using it.

not if Madara is the core

Then 3-4 slashes ends Sasuke's life.

assuming that a PS slash can harm Sasuke's PS which is on par with Kurama's avatar which tanked a direct PS slash so no.

Madara's PS is not stronger than Sasuke's if anything they should be the same

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[KidGamer65]

Madara's susanoo used a powerful banso tenin to bring down 2 meteorites, Kakashi/Obito's PS is able to use coat Kamui in it's weapons and Sasuke's can use Chidori and it absorbed chakra which is probably preta path since that's his only way of absorbing and ofcourse sasuke's PS used ameno, hell even Minato and Naruto could create rasengans with their BM which works similar to PS.

So basically he can use jutsu with PS.

No, it means certain jutsu can be used with PS. Not every single jutsu. What's even more hilarious is that you are claiming Sasuke used Preta Path when Kurama made it clear he can't use Preta Path and use Ninjutsu at the same time. However Sasuke drew the Bijuu chakra into his Susanoo had nothing to do with Preta Path nor can he do it in this battle.

Vote 2 Naruto's Avatar is much stronger than the he used against Juubito because:
1-He has chakra from not just Kurama, but also the other tailed beasts

1. Never said VoTE 2 Naruto's Avatar isn't stronger than the one used against Juubito. :lol
2. It's the KURAMA Avatar formed from KURAMA's chakra. Has nothing to do with the other Bijuu.

2-RSM>>>>>regular SM he used against Juubito

3- it has Rikudo chakra

Irrelevant for obvious reasons.

If we remove Rikudo chakra Naruto's BM with chakra from all other beasts RSM instead of SM=Sasuke's PS

Remove Rikudo's power and you get BM and PS. Period. Naruto's other Bijuu chakra has nothing to do with BM when he uses his chakra and Kurama's chakra to enter Bijuu Mode.

Saying Sasuke's PS is weaker is very stupid if you ask me

Saying Sasuke's PS is equal without any evidence, and denying it's weaker while failing to provide any real counter argument is extremely stupid if you ask me.

For starters, Sasuke's PS slash which should be the same as Madara's because of reasons above, couldn't harm RSM Naruto's Kurama avatar, but when he used Chidori with PS, he managed to Match Naruto's RSM bijudama and even damage it

Lol is this guy kidding me?

You have listed no reason why Sasuke's blade would match Madara's. You only gave me a piss poor counter argument for why Sasuke's PS is stronger than Naruto's Avatar.

ehm, all of rinnegan Sasuke's feats are technically Rikudo Sasuke's feats and it Rinnegan technique so no

No, I suggest you learn the difference between Sasuke w/ God like chakra and Sasuke w/o God like chakra. Rikudo chakra buffs all abilities. Stop giving feats from a man w/ God like chakra to someone w/o said chakra. The only thing that makes the original wielder of the Rinnegan special is that he possess the Rikudo Chakra needed to awaken it. Take that away and he's no different from Nagato, who's Rinnegan display is garbage in comparison to what Madara can do with PS alone.

Genjutsu: rinnegan is a Lower scale IT and it's a rinnegan genjutsu which only another rinnegan can counter so a sharingan is not saving him

Baseless assumption. A very very terrible one at that based on nothing but Sasuke's statement which was clearly referring to IT. Genjutsu: Rinnegan is Genjutsu. Nothing states or implies that it can't be broken. Then there's the fact that Rikudo's Chakra buffs abilities, something that people who love to argue for a fanfic Sasuke w/o Rikudo's chakra but w/ Rinnegan love to ignore.

not if Madara is the core

When you can show me Sasuke w/o Rikudo's power doing this then we can talk.

assuming that a PS slash can harm Sasuke's PS which is on par with Kurama's avatar which tanked a direct PS slash so no.

No, Kurama's tails blocked Sasuke's PS's attacks. Not Madara's.

Madara's PS is stronger than Sasuke's if anything they should be the same

Which is based on nothing. At all.

 

[TheSages456]

So rinnegan sasuke without his yin seal vs madara? He doesnt have hagoromos chakra without the yin seal.

If sasuke isnt allowed biju PS and madara is allowed to have kurama, sasuke loses as the power displayed during VOTE 1 eclipses anything that sasuke has done prior to indras arrow.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

No, it means certain jutsu can be used with PS. Not every single jutsu. What's even more hilarious is that you are claiming Sasuke used Preta Path when Kurama made it clear he can't use Preta Path and use Ninjutsu at the same time. However Sasuke drew the Bijuu chakra into his Susanoo had nothing to do with Preta Path nor can he do it in this battle.
Then can you explain to me how he absorbed their chakra You know without using the jutsu that absorbs chakra?


1. Never said VoTE 2 Naruto's Avatar isn't stronger than the one used against Juubito. :lol
2. It's the KURAMA Avatar formed from KURAMA's chakra. Has nothing to do with the other Bijuu.

1-fair enough.

2-Naruto's Kurama avatar became stronger from SM so logically it should be stronger from the senjutsu of the six paths which is created from all 9 bijuu chakra combined.

Irrelevant for obvious reasons.
let's use simple math here
BM+SM= BSM
BM+RSM=Vote 2 Kurama avatar
rsm>>>>>>>sm which is obvious

Sasuke's PS=Vote2 Kurama avatar

SM isn't irrelevant since it makes the user many times as powerful so half Kurama is getting a huge boost

And because RSM is rounds better than SM then half Kurama is should be even more powerful.

So Sasuke's matching RSM-instead of SM BM Naruto.


Remove Rikudo's power and you get BM and PS. Period. Naruto's other Bijuu chakra has nothing to do with BM when he uses his chakra and Kurama's chakra to enter Bijuu Mode.
Remove Rikudo chakra and we get an enhanced kurama and with SM and PS

Bijuu chakra made Sasuke's susanoo stronger so it should do the same to Kurama's avatar


Saying Sasuke's PS is equal without any evidence, and denying it's weaker while failing to provide any real counter argument is extremely stupid if you ask me.

lol but you're the one saying Sasuke's PS is weaker without any evidence you talk as if it's a known fact it's weaker

I'm not denying anything bro, so if you know something I don't about The difference in both Uchiha's PS then enlighten me



Lol is this guy kidding me?

You have listed no reason why Sasuke's blade would match Madara's. You only gave me a piss poor counter argument for why Sasuke's PS is stronger than Naruto's Avatar.

Whoa there calm down we're only discussing here not fighting.

What I meant is that Sasuke's PS Chidori did more damage than his PS slash, not saying he's better than Naruto lol I wonder where did that come frome.

and again when was it stated that Madara's PS is stronger?or when was it stated that Madara's blades are stronger atleast?


No, I suggest you learn the difference between Sasuke w/ God like chakra and Sasuke w/o God like chakra. Rikudo chakra buffs all abilities. Stop giving feats from a man w/ God like chakra to someone w/o said chakra. The only thing that makes the original wielder of the Rinnegan special is that he possess the Rikudo Chakra needed to awaken it. Take that away and he's no different from Nagato, who's Rinnegan display is garbage in comparison to what Madara can do with PS alone.
By your logic Sasuke can't use ameno without Rikudo chakra or basically everything, the OP said he could use rinnegan techniques and Coreless CT is one of them.

Not having Rikudo chakra will make him many times weaker ofcourse but let's not forget that when Sasuke pulled 9 Coreless CT he was weakened from the Kaguya fight are you telling me Sasuke can't make atleast 1 without Rikudo chakra? Come on now.


Baseless assumption. A very very terrible one at that based on nothing but Sasuke's statement which was clearly referring to IT. Genjutsu: Rinnegan is Genjutsu. Nothing states or implies that it can't be broken. Then there's the fact that Rikudo's Chakra buffs abilities, something that people who love to argue for a fanfic Sasuke w/o Rikudo's chakra but w/ Rinnegan love to ignore.

It's still a rinnegan genjutsu regardless, and Naruto couldn't free the bijuu from despite having a connection with each one of them and Sasuke's rinnegan was needed to undo it in chapter699 which makes think so.

When you can show me Sasuke w/o Rikudo's power doing this then we can talk.

Calm down there's no Sasuke without Rikudo chakra after he get the rinnegan so are asking to pull a scan out of kishi's ass or something? Lol

All I know that if he's without Rikudo chakra he'll be around EMS sasuke+Nagato with sasuke's techniques, he should be able to use Coreless CT like s he should be able to use ameno, Preta path, etc

No, Kurama's tails blocked Sasuke's PS's attacks. Not Madara's.

And Madara's PS slash is stronger because?

Which is based on nothing. At all.
right back at ya, what are you basing Madara's PS superiority on?

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You need to chill bro there's no need to be this unfriendly we're just discussing is all.

 

[KidGamer65]

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You need to chill bro there's no need to be this unfriendly we're just discussing is all.

Not sure how saying "is this guy kidding me" means I'm upset or that I'm trying to fight you. :lol

Then can you explain to me how he absorbed their chakra You know without using the jutsu that absorbs chakra?

Don't need to nor is it relevant. Kurama has already stated that Sasuke can't use jutsu and absorb jutsu at the same time, so whatever he did is unrelated to Preta Path.

2-Naruto's Kurama avatar became stronger from SM so logically it should be stronger from the senjutsu of the six paths which is created from all 9 bijuu chakra combined.

Which is something I never denied, hence me clearly stating "RSM Naruto's Avatar>BSM Naruto's Avatar". Not even sure what you are trying to argue at this point. Take away Hagoromo's power and Naruto has no senjutsu of the six paths. He only has BM. Period.

let's use simple math here
BM+SM= BSM
BM+RSM=Vote 2 Kurama avatar
rsm>>>>>>>sm which is obvious

Sasuke's PS=Vote2 Kurama avatar

SM isn't irrelevant since it makes the user many times as powerful so half Kurama is getting a huge boost

And because RSM is rounds better than SM then half Kurama is should be even more powerful.

So Sasuke's matching RSM-instead of SM BM Naruto.

I'm 100% sure that you have zero idea what you are talking about here. 100% sure.

Rinnegan Sasuke=EMS Sasuke+Hagoromo's Chakra.
RSM Naruto=BSM Naruto+Hagoromo's Chakra.

PS and Kurama's Avatar are equal after the Hagoromo boost, so take the same boost away from both parties and it's the same. PS=BM Avatar. Rikudo PS=Rikudo BM Avatar. Where is this "Sasuke's regular PS=Naruto's RSM Avatar" business come from? :lol

Remove Rikudo chakra and we get an enhanced kurama and with SM and PS

Bijuu chakra made Sasuke's susanoo stronger so it should do the same to Kurama's avatar

No, remove Hagoromo's chakra and you have BM Naruto w/ no Senjutsu, and then you have a PS which isn't being boosted by Hagoromo's chakra. I really hope you aren't implying Sasuke can match Naruto's Avatar post power up, without the power up for himself.

Bijuu Chakra was put into Sasuke's Susanoo. Bijuu chakra was not put into Naruto's Avatar. So terrible correlation attempt.

Whoa there calm down we're only discussing here not fighting.

What I meant is that Sasuke's PS Chidori did more damage than his PS slash, not saying he's better than Naruto lol I wonder where did that come frome.

and again when was it stated that Madara's PS is stronger?or when was it stated that Madara's blades are stronger atleast?

By stating that Sasuke's PS can match Naruto's Avatar+9 Bijuu Chakra you are basically stating that Sasuke's PS>Naruto's Avatar on it's own. :lol And that only flies if the Bijuu chakra did anything to his Avatar, which they didn't.

PS Chidori>SASUKE'S PS Slash. Not Madara's.

-Already showed that Madara's PS is stronger. You don't even have a counter tbh. Sasuke's PS is the same level as what was used against Juubito. That was destroyed by something weaker than what Madara's PS already survived. That's best feat is cutting a branch, Madara's is cutting multiple Mountains without even landing a direct hit.

By your logic Sasuke can't use ameno without Rikudo chakra or basically everything, the OP said he could use rinnegan techniques and Coreless CT is one of them.

Let's not start using terrible logic. Coreless CT is not a technique. Chibaku Tensei is a the technique, and coreless is just an extra function, a function Sasuke w/ Rikudo's power buffing all his abilities has only shown. Not a Sasuke w/o any of that chakra at all.

Sasuke can use all his techniques, but downscaled. Not sure how that translates to "he can't use Ameno".

Not having Rikudo chakra will make him many times weaker ofcourse but let's not forget that when Sasuke pulled 9 Coreless CT he was weakened from the Kaguya fight are you telling me Sasuke can't make atleast 1 without Rikudo chakra? Come on now.

Except he wasn't weakened from the Kaguya fight. Just something you made up on the spot. What's even funnier is that you are talking about the amount of CT he makes like it's relevant, when we aren't talking about the amount of CT he can make.

Your logic is just like me claiming a full power BSM Naruto can use Avatar clones because a "weakened" RSM Naruto did it at VoTE. Coreless CT has nothing to do with chakra amount.

Calm down there's no Sasuke without Rikudo chakra after he get the rinnegan so are asking to pull a scan out of kishi's ass or something? Lol

I'm basically telling you that you don't have any evidence for the claims you are making, thus they are useless claims. That simple.

Next time you reply please post something worthwhile, with actual evidence backing your claims and not petty retorts at clear cut evidence. I asked you to provide reasoning for why Sasuke=Madara when it comes to PS, but instead of providing reasoning you asked me why Madara's PS is stronger, even though I have already provided evidence that shows why he is stronger, evidence that you haven't/can't counter.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Not sure how saying "is this guy kidding me" means I'm upset or that I'm trying to fight you. :lol

Okay then, my bad


Don't need to nor is it relevant. Kurama has already stated that Sasuke can't use jutsu and absorb jutsu at the same time, so whatever he did is unrelated to Preta Path.

Okay whatever I already said "let's ignore ths for now" in one of my previous post

Which is something I never denied, hence me clearly stating "RSM Naruto's Avatar>BSM Naruto's Avatar". Not even sure what you are trying to argue at this point. Take away Hagoromo's power and Naruto has no senjutsu of the six paths. He only has BM. Period.

taking away Rikudo chakra and Ignoring rhe additional bijuu chakra? Come on now even Naruto's Transformation should make it obvious he's accessing nine bijuu chakra with Kurama's avatar period, it the equivalent of what Rikudo chakra does

I'm 100% sure that you have zero idea what you are talking about here. 100% sure.

then you're 100% wrong.


Rinnegan Sasuke=EMS Sasuke+Hagoromo's Chakra.good
RSM Naruto=BSM Naruto+Hagoromo's Chakra. and other Bijuu chakra

PS and Kurama's Avatar are equal after the Hagoromo boost, so take the same boost away from both parties and it's the same. PS=BM AvatarBSM and Bijuu chakra . Rikudo PS=Rikudo BM Avatar. Where is this "Sasuke's regular PS=Naruto's RSM Avatar" business come from? :lol

This business is coming from the fact Naruto haf access to the other Bijuu chakra to boost his Avatar like what Rikudo chakra does

regular PS=Kurama's avatar with SM and other Bijuu chakra

No, remove Hagoromo's chakra and you have BM Naruto w/ no Senjutsu, and then you have a PS which isn't being boosted by Hagoromo's chakra. I really hope you aren't implying Sasuke can match Naruto's Avatar post power up, without the power up for himself.

I'm saying that Kurama's avatar with nine bijuu chakra and SM=regular PS nothing else

Bijuu Chakra was put into Sasuke's Susanoo. Bijuu chakra was not put into Naruto's Avatar. So terrible correlation attempt.

And since when was Rikudo chakra put into their avatars in the first place? They had it and it boosted their abilities so logically nine bijuu chakra which works the same as Rikudo chakra and Kurama's chakra which hinata's air palm many times stronger.

If you're gonna Ignore the Nine bijuu chakra in play then you're denying here

By stating that Sasuke's PS can match Naruto's Avatar+9 Bijuu Chakra you are basically stating that Sasuke's PS>Naruto's Avatar on it's own. :lol And that only flies if the Bijuu chakra did anything to his Avatar, which they didn't.

No, I'm basically saying that regular PS=BSM plus nine bijuu boost

PS Chidori>SASUKE'S PS Slash. Not Madara's.

And Madara's is stronger because?

-Already showed that Madara's PS is stronger. You don't even have a counter tbh. Sasuke's PS is the same level as what was used against Juubito. That was destroyed by something weaker than what Madara's PS already survived. That's best feat is cutting a branch, Madara's is cutting multiple Mountains without even landing a direct hit.

The Susanoo Sasuke used against Juubito which is 2 stages below PS is the same as PS? Lol it's boosted by senjutsu sure but it's nowhere near PS's Level heck this is like saying SM Kurama avatar=full Kurama

And I hope you're not Implying that because Madara's Susanoo tanked a regular BD while Sasuke's got damaged from an SM-Bijuu chakra boosted Kurama's BD, while counting out Rikudo chakra of both parties ofcourse

I've never Seen Madaras PS do anything that puts it above Sasuke's level, unless you give a proper argument with proper evidence, I won't be able to give you the prober counter you want

Let's not start using terrible logic. Coreless CT is not a technique. Chibaku Tensei is a the technique, and coreless is just an extra function, a function Sasuke w/ Rikudo's power buffing all his abilities has only shown. Not a Sasuke w/o any of that chakra at all.


Proof that Rikudo chakra is needed for Coreless CT?
Making alot of assumptions here
Sasuke can use all his techniques, but downscaled. Not sure how that translates to "he can't use Ameno".

downscaled meaning it should be smaller not completely different, are you bending what he can use and what he can't without Rikudo chakra to your own personal liking or something?

Except he wasn't weakened from the Kaguya fight. Just something you made up on the spot. What's even funnier is that you are talking about the amount of CT he makes like it's relevant, when we aren't talking about the amount of CT he can make.
Sasuke's wasn't weakened from Jumping through dimensions and Fighting the mother of chakra and making a huge CT with Naruto's help and etc? Let's not be illogical here
Your logic is just like me claiming a full power BSM Naruto can use Avatar clones because a "weakened" RSM Naruto did it at VoTE. Coreless CT has nothing to do with chakra amount.

Coreless CT is just a CT with the target as core, not a completey different level to be honest, by that logic is it safe for me to assume that he can teleport with ameno and not swap, because swaping is a Rikudo Sasuke feat, like all of his rinnegan techniques?

And BM clones are irrelevant since they absolutely different from using a different varioton of a technique l, this Like me saying that Sasuke can use Indra's arrow with his normal PS.

I'm basically telling you that you don't have any evidence for the claims you are making, thus they are useless claims. That simple.
You said bijuu chakra don't make Kurama's avatar stronger

You gave me no actual evidence to why you think Sasuke's PS is weaker than Madara's

You even keep on assuming that Sasuke won't be able to use Coreless CT with absolutely nothing to back up that claim other than him being weaker from lack Rikudo chakra when he already did it while weakened.


Next time you reply please post something worthwhile, with actual evidence backing your claims and not petty retorts at clear cut evidence. I asked you to provide reasoning for why Sasuke=Madara when it comes to PS, but instead of providing reasoning you asked me why Madara's PS is stronger, even though I have already provided evidence that shows why he is stronger, evidence that you haven't/can't counter.


Where they at doe?

Sorry for the late reply, I had trouble with my connection and I had to wait for sometime.

 

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-I don't see why he can't since PS can use the same abilites as the user and he absorbed bijuu chakra through susanoo but Iet's just ignore this for now.

Used outer path to do so.He cannot use attacks effectively while using Susanoo

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