[VS] Rinnegan Sasuke vs. EMS Madara & SM Hashirama

[TRE MERCER]

Sasuke doesnt always swap places .and when PS teleported it swaped places with nothing .PS is the one who teleported not sasuke .

So i guess PS has a mind of it's own now? SMHHH im done don't bother to reply to me if you actually believe Sasuke ps is capable of doing stuff on it's own.

 

[Eng nawashi]

So i guess PS has a mind of it's own now? SMHHH im done don't bother to reply to me if you actually believe Sasuke ps is capable of doing stuff on it's own.

I edited my post ,read it .

 

[TRE MERCER]

Sasuke doesnt always swap places .and when PS teleported it swaped places with nothing.and even when he swaps places with an object ,it would cost him more chakra to swap places with bigger objects because he doesnt only wrap himself to its place ,he also warp the object to his place ,unless you think he can swap places with something as big as the moon if he he is close enough :lol .sasuke didnt move susano .if he did ,susano would have merely moved some meters considering Sasuke's range .what happened is that sasuke used ameno through PS .I never claimed that Biju chakra increased sasuke's chakra pool .read my debate with Dean Winchester to get better idea about what I am saying .

I know exactly what you said you said Sasuke without Bijuu chakra couldn't use Ameno Ps when in-fact he can since he already did it in cannon. Quit going against the manga.

 

[Eng nawashi]

I know exactly what you said you said Sasuke without Bijuu chakra couldn't use Ameno Ps when in-fact he can since he already did it in cannon. Quit going against the manga.

Because it is partially PS feat .I amnot saying PS acted on its own .what happened was by sasuke's control .considering the range the PS covered by teleporting ,it is logical to say that sasuke didnt use ameno on PS like he was doing with madara and kaguya ,he used ameno through PS .just like how he made PS use chidori .PS is the one uses the jutsu thus the one consumes chakra .

 

[TRE MERCER]

Because it is partially PS feat .I amnot saying PS acted on its own .what happened was by sasuke's control .considering the range the PS covered by teleporting ,it is logical to say that sasuke didnt use ameno on PS like he was doing with madara and kaguya ,he used ameno through PS .just like how he made PS use chidori .PS is the one uses the jutsu thus the one consumes chakra .

Except this doesn't make since why? Because Sasuke controls all of Ps actions. Ps used Chidori because Sasuke wanted it to. Ps teleported because Sasuke used Ameno ps has no chakra network there for when jutsu are used through Ps it takes away from Sasuke chakra not Ps chakra.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

How come this thread got 11 pages? Kishi made it clear that Rikudo chars are much stronger than non Rikudo chars. Hashirama who was the strongest non Rikudo char admitted he was weaker than the weakest of all Rikudo chars Obito.

 

[adeshina365]

How come this thread got 11 pages? Kishi made it clear that Rikudo chars are much stronger than non Rikudo chars. Hashirama who was the strongest non Rikudo char admitted he was weaker than the weakest of all Rikudo chars Obito.

NB unfortunately has a hard time comprehending such simple things.

 

[Waltz]

I already posted the panel of Sasuke's shockwaves producing mere mountain level damage. Your physics example is nonsense as usual.
The force of 2 equal objects hitting each other at the same speed is exactly the same as hitting a wall to a dead-stop. The resultant force is the exactly the same, not less.

You claim I know nothing about physics yet post this garbage. Stop with the pitiful reaching. You don't have an argument.

Bruh, This is the scan you posted:

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There are no mountain's being damaged here by Sasuke. Make sense of what you're saying as I rather not waste my time responding to void argumentation.

@Bold: That is only if you're now claiming that every single physical attack Naruto and Sasuke use against each other was equal force-wise which is something you can't literally prove:

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And even if you tried to prove it, we know it isn't true because the Manga shows the violent outward expansion of energy created from their attacks colliding as a shock wave. ​

The databooks description doesn't state that Sasuke can turn anyone into a core at any time, so that's moot. The databook simply states that debris is attracted to the core. How Sasuke can turn entities into cores is what's being questioned, not the fact that he needs a core.
What the manga has shown is that anything that Sasuke is in control of can be turned into a CT core. You still have not provided evidence for Sasuke turning anyone into a core at anytime.


The sword of Perfect Susano'o is it's strongest physical attack and Kurama's tail is it's strongest physical attack. Their force is exactly the same and it that has nothing to do with the shockwave of Perfect Susano'o which is formed from the swing. Nothing at all.

You want to criticize the scaling that I presented while using a physics argument which is wrong anyway, knowing that the author doesn't follow such logic to the extent you suggest in the manga at all. He didn't write out and solve a forumla before drawing Perfect Susano'o and Kurama clashing, just like he doesn't calculate how much radiation Bijudama would produce every time one went off.

@Bold: Nice circular reasoning but no, I never said the Databook say's that Sasuke can turn anyone into a core. The **** are you talking about? You're the one who made the claim that he can't because he's only been "shown" to turn controlled objects into core. I said the Databook's description of the Jutsu mention's nothing of the user needing to have control over a target in order for them to be turned into a core and also that the Manga never states this to be a prerequisite. The author never stated or implied this anywhere, you did. The claim was made by you. Where are your sources besides personal speculation?

@ Red: No the Manga showed Sasuke controlling the Bijuu after Kurama tried to Attack him based on what he was saying:

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We know that he put the Bijuu under the spell after Kurama tried to attack him because when Kurama attacked him he wasn't yet under the spell. That voids implication. Statement wise, that had nothing to do with CT which he performed several pages later independently because it wasn't stated to be connected to it anywhere. Once again you have no proof that that the spell was a prerequisite sides your own personal speculation.

@ Blue: Argumentum ad ignorantium.

@ Green: That doesn't mean that every PS sword swing and every Kyuubi tail swing is done with maximum effort and if that is what you're proposing, then you're going to have to prove this was the case in context of the scan you've decided to use as proof.

@ Orange: You know, It always makes me smile when people try to undermine kishimoto's intelligence with no proof of their claims and use horrendous analogies that are not coherent or remotely related to what is being discussed. ​

I resized the scan to where Perfect Susano'o and the Mokujin are the size of Shinsuusenju's head as shown. Kurama is irrelevant to that.
The author consistently depicts the Mokujin and Perfect Susano'o to be the size of Shinsuusenju's head, so yes that is how he would depict it. There is no angle to the scan that would distort the scaling either, so moot point.

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Bruv. Everything ranging from the mountains in the foreground to Perfect susano'o and the smoke around it can be seen from a top-view while the rubbish you pasted onto the panel can only be seen from the side because the angle is different. The lines are distorted and stretched beyond recognition and does not remain consistent with the art in the scan it's posted onto. It's inaccurate, inconsistent and severely dross. You resized it using a crop out of Shinshuusenju being at a different angle to the entire scan it was posted unto and stretched the image until it was distorted, inaccurate to Kishimoto's actual art and you're so conceited in your bias that you'll agree the scan you cropped the image from was not drawn to scale but yet you use a crop out from the very said scan as a distorted pasted inconsistent image on another scan segment to prove a point? Now here you are telling me that is how Kishimoto would have drawn it. No further questions on this on this garbage. ​

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

NB unfortunately has a hard time comprehending such simple things.

Yes im pretty sure that was the only reason Kishi made Hashirama out of everybody in the entire group say that Obito was stronger him.

It was Kishi way of telling the audiance that the previous strongest char(Hashirama) was being surpassed.

 

[TheSages456]

Bruh, This is the scan you posted:

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There are no mountain's being damaged here by Sasuke. Make sense of what you're saying as I rather not waste my time responding to void argumentation. ​

No mountains being damaged is irrelevant. What does that have to do with anything? Changing your argument again since your current one is clearly idiotic?

Madara can replicate that same shockwave shown there with his Susano'o and that is the same shockwave that Sasuke cut CT with.

@Bold: That is only if you're now claiming that every single physical attack Naruto and Sasuke use against each other was equal force-wise which is something you can't literally prove:

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And even if you tried to prove it, we know it isn't true because the Manga shows the violent outward expansion of energy created from their attacks colliding as a shock wave.

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If their attacks weren't equal, then one of them would've gotten overpowered. It's that simple. The bold makes no sense whatsoever, but again, I'm not surprised.

This is an equal clash,

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though you're probably going to say that there isn't any proof that it is even though we can blatantly see that it is. :lol

After that, I'm just going to take it as a concession since you're either trolling or just an idiot. Probably the latter.

@Bold: Nice circular reasoning but no, I never said the Databook say's that Sasuke can turn anyone into a core. The **** are you talking about? You're the one who made the claim that he can't because he's only been "shown" to turn controlled objects into core. I said the Databook's description of the Jutsu mention's nothing of the user needing to have control over a target in order for them to be turned into a core and also that the Manga never states this to be a prerequisite. The author never stated or implied this anywhere, you did. The claim was made by you. Where are your sources besides personal speculation?​

My argument is that he has only been shown turning targets under his control into a core, so if you're saying that he can turn anyone and anything into a core regardless of control, you need to show evidence. You have not done that. All you have done is cry about fallacies which would apply to your arguments more than mine.

@ Red: No the Manga showed Sasuke controlling the Bijuu after Kurama tried to Attack him based on what he was saying:

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We know that he put the Bijuu under the spell after Kurama tried to attack him because when Kurama attacked him he wasn't yet under the spell. That voids implication. Statement wise, that had nothing to do with CT which he performed several pages later independently because it wasn't stated to be connected to it anywhere. Once again you have no proof that that the spell was a prerequisite sides your own personal speculation.

Asinine logic. There wasn't any reason for Sasuke to talk about whether or not his control over the Biju allowed him to turn them into cores.
This same logic would imply that Kamui isn't necessary for Bakufu Ranbu since Obito never said so.

Again, none of this is evidence for Sasuke turning anyone into a core anytime he wants.

@ Blue: Argumentum ad ignorantium.

That's called asking for evidence. Providing any is a foreign concept to you.

@ Green: That doesn't mean that every PS sword swing and every Kyuubi tail swing is done with maximum effort and if that is what you're proposing, then you're going to have to prove this was the case in context of the scan you've decided to use as proof.

You're reaching, though that isn't surprising. Since you feel the need to claim this out of you're desperation, what evidence is there for a bloodlusted Sasuke to not put maximum effort into his swings?

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@ Orange: You know, It always makes me smile when people try to undermine kishimoto's intelligence with no proof of their claims and horrendous analogies.

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Yes, you would have to prove that the author was taking this into account since you apparently think that the author scaled every explosion and clash based on mathematical calculation.

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Bruv. Everything ranging from the mountains in the foreground to Perfect susano'o and the smoke around it can be seen from a top-view while the rubbish you pasted onto the panel can only be seen from the side because the angle is different. The lines are distorted and stretched beyond recognition and does not remain consistent with the art in the scan it's posted onto. It's inaccurate, inconsistent and severely dross. You resized it using a crop out of Shinshuusenju being at a different angle to the entire scan it was posted unto and stretched the image until it was distorted, inaccurate to Kishimoto's actual art and you're so conceited in your bias that you'll agree the scan you cropped the image from was not drawn to scale but yet you use a crop out from the very said scan as a distorted pasted inconsistent image on another scan segment to prove a point? Now here you are telling me that is how Kishimoto would have drawn it. No further questions on this on this garbage. ​

Yes, the author would have drawn the Mokujin and Perfect Susano'o as the same size as Shinsuusenju's head since that is what he consistently depicts. You would be an idiot to think otherwise. You still aren't countering that point though, just going on about how bad the edit looks.
You shouldn't talk about people being bias considering the hoops you're jumping through just for your argument to make a modicum of sense.

 

[Waltz]

No mountains being damaged is irrelevant. What does that have to do with anything? Changing your argument again since your current one is clearly idiotic?

Madara can replicate that same shockwave shown there with his Susano'o and that is the same shockwave that Sasuke cut CT with.

Irrelevant argument again because that shockwave is a weaker resultant force to the actual force behind their individual attacks. The shockwave here was the energy caused by explosive resultant force of Naruto's and Sasuke's physical attacks clashing together and 'energy' is a property which you have when force is applied over a certain distance. If there was no resulting force from the collision of their attacks, there would have been no shockwave. None of this prove's Madara can replicate the same level of Shockwave Sasuke used against JJMadara's CT.
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If their attacks weren't equal, then one of them would've gotten overpowered. It's that simple. The bold makes no sense whatsoever, but again, I'm not surprised.

This is an equal clash,

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though you're probably going to say that there isn't any proof that it is even though we can blatantly see that it is. :lol

After that, I'm just going to take it as a concession since you're either trolling or just an idiot. Probably the latter.

Nope. Even if there was an infinitesimal difference between the power behind each of their individual attacks doesn't mean that one would completely overpower the other before they both swung at each other again as they did this consecutively. What we do know is that there was a difference enough to bring about a weaker resultant force in the explosive form of a shockwave. ​

My argument is that he has only been shown turning targets under his control into a core, so if you're saying that he can turn anyone and anything into a core regardless of control, you need to show evidence. You have not done that. All you have done is cry about fallacies which would apply to your arguments more than mine.

Quote where I made that specific statement. On the contrary I have a quote of you making this claim:

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The burden of proof is therefore on you to prove that Sasuke cannot make a uncontrolled target a CT core. ​

Asinine logic. There wasn't any reason for Sasuke to talk about whether or not his control over the Biju allowed him to turn them into cores.
This same logic would imply that Kamui isn't necessary for Bakufu Ranbu since Obito never said so.

Again, none of this is evidence for Sasuke turning anyone into a core anytime he wants.

Again, I never said the bold. I said that where statements are concerned, that it had nothing to do with CT which he performed several pages later independently because it wasn't stated to be connected to it anywhere.​

That's called asking for evidence. Providing any is a foreign concept to you.

Argumentum ad Ignorantium is actually a fallacy. ​

You're reaching, though that isn't surprising. Since you feel the need to claim this out of you're desperation, what evidence is there for a bloodlusted Sasuke to not put maximum effort into his swings?

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Quote where I made the claim and Showing Sasuke attacking Naruto physically once when they clashed several times isn't helping your point either. Also if you're claiming he was using full force here because he was using his wings You'll have to prove that to be true as well. Two more things

1) Even if you try to prove it true by reversing the question against me like you've been doing all this time you'll still fail because there was a shockwave which denotes a resultant force meaning the force behind their attacks were not the very same and since I've already caught on to the way you debate

2) Don't bother mentioning portrayal because that would be you assuming Kishimoto doesn't know how a shockwave is formed. ​

Yes, you would have to prove that the author was taking this into account since you apparently think that the author scaled every explosion and clash based on mathematical calculation.

I don't need to prove your erroneous, derailing, unrelated analogies to be true and don't assume what I think because unlike you, I'm not an egotistical idiot. ​

Yes, the author would have drawn the Mokujin and Perfect Susano'o as the same size as Shinsuusenju's head since that is what he consistently depicts. You would be an idiot to think otherwise. You still aren't countering that point though, just going on about how bad the edit looks.
You shouldn't talk about people being bias considering the hoops you're jumping through just for your argument to make a modicum of sense.

You're not the author, so don't tell me what he would or would not do especially when we've already come to the common agreement that there are panel segments that are not drawn to scale. The bold has nothing to do with your edit and as I said, no further questions regarding the inconsistent garbage edits you're using as proof to back up your claims. ​

 

[TheSages456]

Irrelevant argument again because that shockwave is a weaker resultant force to the actual force behind their individual attacks. The shockwave here was the energy caused by explosive resultant force of Naruto's and Sasuke's physical attacks clashing together and 'energy' is a property which you have when force is applied over a certain distance. If there was no resulting force from the collision of their attacks, there would have been no shockwave. None of this prove's Madara can replicate the same level of Shockwave Sasuke used against JJMadara's CT.
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Nope. Even if there was an infinitesimal difference between the power behind each of their individual attacks doesn't mean that one would completely overpower the other before they both swung at each other again as they did this consecutively. What we do know is that there was a difference enough to bring about a weaker resultant force in the explosive form of a shockwave. ​

2 equal forces colliding doesn't magically make the energy disappear. :lol
2 equal forces collide, the energy is released into the surroundings in different forms. Wrong and irrelevant points as usual.
Concession accepted.

Quote where I made that specific statement. On the contrary I have a quote of you making this claim:

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The burden of proof is therefore on you to prove that Sasuke cannot make a uncontrolled target a CT core. ​

You were implying with your post that Sasuke clapped his hands and the target simply became a core, while ignoring the fact that they were under his control. Yes, that would imply a claim that Sasuke can turn anyone into a core. That is why I pointed out the details you were ignoring and asked you to provide evidence, which you still haven't produced.
Concession accepted.

Again, I never said the bold. I said that where statements are concerned, that it had nothing to do with CT which he performed several pages later independently because it wasn't stated to be connected to it anywhere.​

Argumentum ad Ignorantium is actually a fallacy. ​

This isn't any different from my Obito example. As far as statements are concerned, nothing connects Kamui to Bakufu Ranbu. That isn't evidence.

Throwing around fallacy claims once again, doesn't give your argument merit. Asking for evidence for ones claim isn't a fallacy, though that isn't something that you would ever understand.

Quote where I made the claim and Showing Sasuke attacking Naruto physically once when they clashed several times isn't helping your point either. Also if you're claiming he was using full force here because he was using his wings You'll have to prove that to be true as well. Two more things​

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@ Green: That doesn't mean that every PS sword swing and every Kyuubi tail swing is done with maximum effort and if that is what you're proposing, then you're going to have to prove this was the case in context of the scan you've decided to use as proof.
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Sasuke was using full effort because he wanted to kill him. His wings are irrelevant.

1) Even if you try to prove it true by reversing the question against me like you've been doing all this time you'll still fail because there was a shockwave which denotes a resultant force meaning the force behind their attacks were not the very same and since I've already caught on to the way you debate

2) Don't bother mentioning portrayal because that would be you assuming Kishimoto doesn't know how a shockwave is formed.

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A shockwave simply means that energy was released into the surroundings, nothing more. It has nothing to do with whether the forces are equal or not.

I don't need to prove your erroneous, derailing, unrelated analogies to be true and don't assume what I think because unlike you, I'm not an egotistical idiot, I'm an egotistical intellectual. ​

You're nowhere near being an intellectual. Not with all the garbage you post. Sasuke holding back being a highlight. :lol
So you have no evidence that the author pulled out a calculator and crunched the numbers to scale the size of an explosion? Thought so. Concession accepted.

You're not the author, so don't tell me what he would or would not do especially when we've already come to the common agreement that there are panel segments that are not drawn to scale. The bold has nothing to do with your edit and as I said, no further questions regarding the inconsistent garbage edits you're using as proof to back up your claims. ​

He consistently drew the Mokujin and Perfect Susano'o as the same size as Shinsuusenju's head. Cry to him, not me. You've wasted enough of my time. This is over. Learn to concede instead of producing arguments that are obviously reaching and clearly show you're bias.

 

[Mellow]

Sasuke lol

 

[Waltz]

2 equal forces colliding doesn't magically make the energy disappear. :lol
2 equal forces collide, the energy is released into the surroundings in different forms. Wrong and irrelevant points as usual.
Concession accepted.

Lel. Except I never stated the bold. You're beginning to grasp as straws. I said it's a resultant force because that's what the Manga shows:

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@ red: Doesn't prove that what I said was incorrect however I am right because if the forces being equal is irrelevant to a shockwave being formed and doesn't mean the energy would be expelled in the form of a shock wave. Also, once again none of this proves Madara can replicate the same level of Shockwave Sasuke used against JJMadara's CT. You literally have no argument.
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You were implying with your post that Sasuke clapped his hands and the target simply became a core, while ignoring the fact that they were under his control. Yes, that would imply a claim that Sasuke can turn anyone into a core. That is why I pointed out the details you were ignoring and asked you to provide evidence, which you still haven't produced.
Concession accepted.

Yes because that's what happened and that's what the Manga showed. He clasped his hands then they became a core. If you're claiming anything else is a prerequisite for the Jutsu to be used, you'll have to prove this is the case, with facts from official sources which is something you can't do besides your personal speculation. The burden of proof is on you because you're the one who made the claim. ​

This isn't any different from my Obito example. As far as statements are concerned, nothing connects Kamui to Bakufu Ranbu. That isn't evidence.

Throwing around fallacy claims once again, doesn't give your argument merit. Asking for evidence for ones claim isn't a fallacy, though that isn't something that you would ever understand.

You mean your example fails because Kishimoto, his Databook nor his Manga say's Kamui is a prerequisite of the fire Jutsu. Just like it's no where stated or implied that control is a prerequisite for Sasuke's CT to be effective on a target.


Wrong again. You're the one who made

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and when asked to prove that your claims is true, you don't (actually you can't) so you ask me to prove the non-existence of what you're saying to be true. Just another fallacy:


proving non-existence: When an arguer cannot provide the evidence for his claims, he may challenge his opponent to prove it doesn't exist
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@ Green: That doesn't mean that every PS sword swing and every Kyuubi tail swing is done with maximum effort and if that is what you're proposing, then you're going to have to prove this was the case in context of the scan you've decided to use as proof.

Sasuke was using full effort because he wanted to kill him. His wings are irrelevant.

Sasuke wanting to kill him isn't proof that he was using maximum force with every strike. Especially when not one of the attacks on this panel [

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A shockwave simply means that energy was released into the surroundings, nothing more. It has nothing to do with whether the forces are equal or not.

No. Energy can be released in many different ways. The shockwave means there was a keen change of pressure in a narrow region as denoted by the resultant force of their physical attacks colliding. ​

You're nowhere near being an intellectual. Not with all the garbage you post. Sasuke holding back being a highlight. :lol
So you have no evidence that the author pulled out a calculator and crunched the numbers to scale the size of an explosion? Thought so. Concession accepted.

If you say so Sages and hopefully the red is taken in context of my argument and is not being used to purport that I am suggesting anything else.

@Bold: I don't need to provide proof for your incoherent, unrelated analogies :lol yet another fallacy.

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He consistently drew the Mokujin and Perfect Susano'o as the same size as Shinsuusenju's head. Cry to him, not me. You've wasted enough of my time. This is over. Learn to concede instead of producing arguments that are obviously reaching and clearly show you're bias.

True but we both know he didn't draw this tho:

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This is the garbage edit of his work that you did which I edited to show you that it and scaling by this method is garbage.

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[Eng nawashi]

Except this doesn't make since why? Because Sasuke controls all of Ps actions. Ps used Chidori because Sasuke wanted it to. Ps teleported because Sasuke used Ameno ps has no chakra network there for when jutsu are used through Ps it takes away from Sasuke chakra not Ps chakra.

Let's assume you are right and PS chidori was supplied by Sasuke chakra which means whenever susano uses a jutsu ,it needs to be supplied with chakra .then you will have to prove that sasuke supplied susano with his own chakra not biju chakra before it teleported .until then teleportation feat doesnt go for regular PS .my point works both ways ,whether susano uses its own chakra whenever it uses a jutsu or sasuke supplies it with chakra .there is no enough feats and details that make us hundred precent sure that regular PS can teleport .regular PS being able to teleport is as possible as it not being able to teleport .

 

[Eng nawashi]

-this guy uses a scan of DB4 which doesnt even cover the time when Sasuke used his CT .this scan describes six paths coreless CT (which stated to need a connection )and Madara&Nagato's regular CT .

-saying sasuke can make any one core for his CT without control is as dumb as saying he can extract anyone's chakra without control because control was never stated to be prerequisite .can sasuke exyract anyone's chakra remotely without control ?could Sasuke have extracted Biju chakra remotely without them being under his control ?can sasuke use Indra arrow without Biju chakra because it was never stated that biju chakra is prerequisite? .

 

[Warlocks]

:lol:lol
dont use so6p, kaguya,sasuke,naruto,jubito or any Rikudo chars vs none Rikudo chars if u want then use all nv chars vs Rikudo chars

 

[shelke]

Genjutsu is simply a way for him to bring a target under his control. Chakra rods could possibly be another method.
No, you have provided no evidence that he can turn targets into cores if they aren't under his control.

And yet, you have failed to provide any evidence across several pages. Why is that?

We saw Sasuke's ordinary Chidori during the Gaiden and it was nowhere near that level, so no. What Sasuke used to destroy the meteor wasn't the Chidori that he casually uses.

Sasuke is fully capable of increasing and decreasing the potency of his Chidori. Irrelevant argument.

Shadow clones are not stated to split durability and physical strength, just chakra. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

This is a chakra split. The clones were made out of the BM avatar; an avatar that never repairs itself, not until a new one is made. Which means, the chakra supplied to it is limited and that is why Naruto merged the avatars that had chunks of their parts blown apart. They couldn't recover from the damage. An avatar has never been able to recover from damage. You take the chakra out of it, then what will happen? How hard is it for you to grasp this?

Madara created 25 clones and all that was divided was his chakra. All the clones had the ability to use the same V3 Susanoo as the original. There is no varying power.

Yes and a high tier Susanoo was not able to liquefy Mei's organs, when a lesser Susanoo could?

Danzo's body had nowhere to go, so it was crushed under the force of it's fist. There was no resisting force on Mei's body, so the punch merely made her fly in the opposite direction.

So, you are telling me that if a truck hits a person, it has to slam him into a wall to kill him. An impact could never liquefy his organs?

The genes that Indra inherited from Hagoromo gave him powerful chakra. It does not say that Indra possesses Hagoromo's chakra.

I just adore your flip-flopping.

No, he doesn't. I already explained that Sasuke needed to draw on Hagoromo's Six Paths Power of Shadow for a senjutsu Chidori. When he lost the seal, he lost the ability to use Hagoromo's Sage chakra stored inside the seal.
Next time you ignore my point, I'm just going to take it as a concession.

If he puts any entity under his control, he can turn it into a core. He has not shown the ability to turn entities that aren't under his control into a core. It's that simple.

Speculation. All of it.

Yet, the Databook completely disagrees and speaks of no conditions. You are trying too hard, mate.