[VS] Rinnegan Sasuke vs. EMS Madara & SM Hashirama

[Eng nawashi]

People who argue that sasuke can make anything a core for his CT without chakra connection need to also argue that sasuke can also absorb anyone's chakra without any connection .lol even six paths CT needs connection .I swear that people who argue for that know it is logically impossible for Sasuke to make anything a core for his CT without connection .lol with their logic Sasuke can make a chakra less rock a core for his CT and by extension can pump more chakra into the rock to make CT bigger .that makes no sense at all .Sasuke can't make anyone a core for his CT without this object being connected to Sasuke's chakra .in order to understand Sasuke's coreless CT you need to understand how core CT works .the core is connected to the user and can be pumped by more chakra to make CT bigger .unless you think sasuke can control anyone's chakra without connection ,you need to forget about Sasuke making anyone a core without genjutsu .

 

[~Ethereal~]

What are you honestly going on about that Sasuke needs to have the target under control before he can use CT simply because you believe this is necessary or is it that you have the piss poor fallacious argument that he's never done so without having the target under control, therefore he can't do it without having the target under control. So Sasuke's slashes went through the entire mass of mountain ranges clumped together in a dense ball accelerating towards him at a tremendous rate is equal to Madara removing the top of a few mountains which collectively mass wise is vastly inferior to what Sasuke cut through? Entertaining analogy.

Also, What t'fuck is this.. ​

So these days we just take scans:

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And blow them up, cut and paste them out of a panel segment to suit our arguments and present them as proof right?

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The Kyuubi is also 8-10 times bigger than the Madara's Perfect Susano'o? Right? Smdh...

Nothing in the Manga is drawn to scale.
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OMG, I wish I could rep you with that spoiler!

 

[King Of Pop]

Considering the range that PS covered by teleporting it is safe to say that Sasuke used ameno through PS .I mean sasuke didn't teleport and susano fellow him .it is the other way around susano teleported and sasuke who was camping inside it fellow it .Sasuke has no feats of using ameno through regular PS ,maybe it has something to do with the chakra required for PS to teleport .

are you... serious????

 

[Waltz]

Literally just before the "Revolution" Chapter, Sasuke just saw what happens when you Make something a gravitational core for Chibaku tensei with it not being controlled...

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It still becomes the core, yes but it's able to spit things out and move around. Leaving the Bijuu uncontrolled could have been him risking being attacked by them

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or even by things such as Bijuu dama and he knew they would have attacked him based on what he was saying, thus he placed them under a spell but these incompetent individuals in this thread who argue using fallacies and illogical reasoning would rather believe that the target must be under control as a pre-requisite despite it never being stated or implied anywhere in the Manga or databook as such and the Author specifically showing Sasuke using the Jutsu independently. They rather resort to such baseless assumptions and arguments from ignorance and it is incredibly amusing. ​

"Chibaku Tensei / Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" has a single entry, and lists "Nagato / Naruto and Sasuke, Hagoromo and Hamura" as its users. It's a kekkei genkai sealing jutsu.

Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is invoked when two users simultaneously touch their target with the "Yin" and "Yang" seals. It rips a giant chunk of earth up and turns it into a heavenly body, becoming the Prison of Six Paths (六道の獄 Rokudō no Goku) that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto"). It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu. "Chibaku Tensei" is the version that can be used by a single individual, while "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" is a more powerful version that requires two individuals simultaneously combining the power of Yin and Yang. It turns the sealing target into a gravity core in the sky, which attracts chunks of earth that bury them alive. This forms a heavenly body in the sky that can act as a prison for even a tailed beast. The section in the bottom left describes how the moon was the result of Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, and that so much chakra was contained within that it turned into a gigantic sattelite. It also describes it as a giant sealing stone (封印石 "Fuinseki"), which implies that Kishimoto took some inspiration from those giant "sealing stones" you sometimes see -- the big boulders with the kanji inscribed on them, usually with the ceremonial ropes adoring them.

Once again absolutely nothing stating that control is a prerequisite but I'll wait for the fallacious single digit IQ responses. ​

 

[Eng nawashi]

are you... serious????

Yeah he used Amene through PS thus the increase in the range .

 

[Eng nawashi]

Lol people still argue for coreless CT .he thinks it is logical that Sasuke can make anything and anyone a core for his CT without connection yet speaks about IQ .lol.arguing that Sasuke can make anyone a core is as dumb as arguing that sasuke can extract anyone's chakra without connection as he did with biju since it was never stated that control is prerequisite lol.

 

[NarutoX28]

Speed and size. You can say speed is produced in PS's sword strike because of more muscle power, but shockwaves themselves work on those two alone. They are produced because of waves colliding with one another. The object size will matter a lot here and its speed. That's the extremely layman gist of it in this context anyway.

I am using the logic for aerodynamic shockwaves here, as the best analogy I can think of here is the aerodynamic struture of the wings.

Actually, he's correct in the fact that the size of the shockwaves are a representation of Perfect Susanoo's strength because that's what the manga displays. What you're arguing focuses more on causation whereas TRE MERCER was arguing or should've been arguing that there is a correlation between strength and the size of shockwaves.

 

[BLAZE]

Yeah he used Amene through PS thus the increase in the range .

so whats stopping him in doing that with normal PS

 

[Eng nawashi]

so whats stopping him in doing that with normal PS

For the same reason regular PS can't use IA .it needed a certain amount of chakra that it doesn't have .

 

[BLAZE]

For the same reason regular PS can't use IA .it needed a certain amount of chakra that it doesn't have .

:lol what

Sasuke teleporting BPS does not mean he is using Bijuu chakra inside it.He is using his own chakra only which was not buffed by bijuus

lol you will not say sasuke shifting Juubi Jin Madara means he is using JJ's chakra or bijuu chakra and cannot do same to non JJ Madara

 

[Eng nawashi]

:lol what

Sasuke teleporting BPS does not mean he is using Bijuu chakra inside it.He is using his own chakra only which was not buffed by bijuus

lol you will not say sasuke shifting Juubi Jin Madara means he is using JJ's chakra or bijuu chakra and cannot do same to non JJ Madara

Lol Sasuke didn't use ameno on PS like he did with Madara .he used ameno through PS .different thing .just like how PS uses chidori and BM avatar uses Rasengan .

 

[BLAZE]

Lol Sasuke didn't use ameno on PS like he did with Madara .he used ameno through PS .different thing .just like how PS uses chidori and BM avatar uses Rasengan .

So why can't he do that with normal PS becoz at the end of the sasuke is using his own chara in both cases :lol

 

[Eng nawashi]

So why can't he do that with normal PS becoz at the end of the sasuke is using his own chara in both cases :lol

When PS used Chidori, it used its chakra which by extension Sasuke's chakra but when BPS teleported , it used biju chakra which isn't Sasuke's chakra just like how it created IA with biju chakra which isn't Sasuke's chakra .regular PS might have the chakra required for teleportation but that would be an assumption .

 

[BLAZE]

When PS used Chidori, it used its chakra which by extension Sasuke's chakra but when BPS teleported , it used biju chakra which isn't Sasuke's chakra just like how it created IA with biju chakra which isn't Sasuke's chakra .

Lol what IA clearly uses chakra absorbed in PS on other hand Ameno is used through Rinnegan.Even if applies it on anything he is still using his rinnegan and his chakra.

regular PS might have the chakra required for teleportation but that would be an assumption .

:lol what requires more chakra.Teleportation or bijuu dama sized chidori

 

[Eng nawashi]

Lol what IA clearly uses chakra absorbed in PS on other hand Ameno is used through Rinnegan.Even if applies it on anything he is still using his rinnegan and his chakra.


:lol what requires more chakra.Teleportation or bijuu dama sized chidori

He uses his jutsu (Rinnegan teleportation ) through PS . PS is the one who teleports .Minato uses Rasengan through his avatar .the avatar is the one uses Rasengan and thus the one who consumes chakra .

What requires more chakra Sasuke using chidori or sasuke teleporting by ameno :lol ?

 

[BLAZE]

He uses his jutsu (Rinnegan teleportation ) through PS . PS is the one who teleports .Minato uses Rasengan through his avatar .the avatar is the one uses Rasengan and thus the one who consumes chakra .

Rasengan is not a dojutsu.Anyone using a dojutsu through susanoo mean he is utlising his dojutsu and his chakra not the chakra in or of susanoo.

All cases either susanoo kagasuchi;kamui shurikens;Outer path;Madara pulling meteors or Ameno is the wielder using Rinnegan not the chakra of susanoo lel.

What requires more chakra Sasuke using chidori or sasuke teleporting by ameno :lol ?

Sasuke has shown spamming one jutsu despite cooldown and its not chidori

 

[Eng nawashi]

Rasengan is not a dojutsu.Anyone using a dojutsu through susanoo mean he is utlising his dojutsu and his chakra not the chakra in or of susanoo.

All cases either susanoo kagasuchi;kamui shurikens;Outer path;Madara pulling meteors or Ameno is the wielder using Rinnegan not the chakra of susanoo lel.



Sasuke has shown spamming one jutsu despite cooldown and its not chidori

Proof it .if anything it is only the chakra needed to manipulate PS chakra .

You didnt answer my question .sasuke spams chidori aswell .what uses more chakra ?

 

[BLAZE]

Proof it .if anything it is only the chakra needed to manipulate PS chakra .

Since he is using is Rinnegan jutsu via Rinnegan that requires his chakra.It is always going to be used by user not susanoo itself

You didnt answer my question .sasuke spams chidori aswell .what uses more chakra ?

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and even going by ur post if he spams both it actually means he can use ameno with PS since he used chidori with though less potent than BPS[if he used chakra of bijuus which he nvr absorbed :lol]

 

[TRE MERCER]

Considering the range that PS covered by teleporting it is safe to say that Sasuke used ameno through PS .I mean sasuke didn't teleport and susano fellow him .it is the other way around susano teleported and sasuke who was camping inside it fellow it .Sasuke has no feats of using ameno through regular PS ,maybe it has something to do with the chakra required for PS to teleport .

The logic your using here is garbage. Sasuke used Ameno and PS went with him Bijuudama chakra do not let you gain new abilities. Your just like those clowns that claim Sasuke only used Ps because because of Kurama chakra boost. Sasuke used Ameno ps in cannon so he does it again nothing further to explain or to debate here.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Damn y'all went in

waltz, tre mercer and thesags456 putting in that work how long do you think kg will get banned for this time lol.
on a related note that SS scan really shows Kishi f**ks up with scaling.