[VS] Rinnegan Sasuke vs. EMS Madara & SM Hashirama

[TheSages456]

That's exactly what I am claiming. As creating a core has nothing to do with Genjutsu. Nothing at all.

And that's not what I said. He has to put this object under the control of his Rinnegan, not genjutsu specifically.

No, man. It isn't.

Yes, any strength gains that Sasuke makes is due to his own progression. I don't know how anyone could claim otherwise.

It isn't a part of his PS in a manner you are implying. The only reason the avatars couldn't keep up is because they were at 1/4 their strength and durability as Naruto created three clones out of the main avatar. It's like like Madara's V3 Susano'o clones not being as powerful. Since Kurama cannot be replicated and the avatar carries limited chakra, it resulted in Naruto struggling in the fight.

Shadow clones don't split physical strength and durability. They are stated to split chakra, nothing more. I don't know where you got the idea that Kurama can't be replicated when we already saw this happen.
Nothing implies that Madara's Susano'o clones were weaker than usual.

No, it is not. This is refuted by the Sage as he directly states that "Indra ended up inheriting my strong chakra genes and Ashura didn't." Which means Indra's PS is a result of Sage's chakra flowing through his veins.

Indra doesn't possess Hagoromo's chakra. The potency of Hagoromo's chakra was passed down to Indra, not his exact chakra type. All his statement means is that the genes that Indra inherited gave him very powerful chakra.

And, Sasuke would have stronger shockwaves as his PS is stronger as it is powered by a much more powerful chakra? It still boils down to the same thing, really.

No it doesn't, because as I already clarified, Sasuke doesn't possess this chakra and Susano'o can't be created from this chakra.

He can, because that's what he showed. Simply claiming it doesn't make it an argument. If he can turn one object into a core, he can do so for the other. Claiming that Bijuus, with much more heavier chakra based bodies, can be turned into cores but ninjas cannot be is a reaching argument.

Sasuke hasn't shown the ability to turn any and everything into a core. He has shown the ability to turn entities under his control into a core, so that's the ability that he will be given.

Is that is what he believes then there is nothing I can do about it. It's like Suggesting that Itachi never used Tsukuyomi on summons, therefore, he cannot use it on them like Sasuke.

No, what you're suggesting is comparable to Naruto creating a Rasengan without rotating his chakra first.

 

[Lord Tywin]

:lol this thread

 

[BLAZE]

:lol this thread

u should have said this before posts got deleted :lol

 

[TRE MERCER]

Also let's look at the facts here. SS arms were cut by Madara Ps blades[

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] Them already means that RSM Kurama is more durable than SS since it cannonly tanked a superior Ps blade.

Then we talk about explosion size? Naruto TBB is composed of far more potent chakra than those TBB's Madara used since it's impowered by Hagoromo chakra. There is 0 proof suggesting that vote explosion is bigger than this[

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]. Further more RSM Kurama proved it's superiority to SS by blocking Sasuke Ps blade without damage so by default something that blows it's tail off would completely demolish SS.

 

[Lord Tywin]

u should have said this before posts got deleted :lol

I'm seeing the thread after a couple of hours. This shit is funny

 

[TheSages456]

That mountain was extremely small as it barely waved over trees. No its not. Lmao if you believe SS is really that big your dreaming. Madara Susanoo before legs stood as tall as Kurama[

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] Ps with legs would be much bigger than Kurama.

The trees are closer to the camera than the mountain is, so no there is no way for you to even claim that that mountain was "extremely small".

Based on the scan you provided, Kurama wouldn't be able to fit in Shinsuusenju's hand, yet it can.

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Perfect Susano'o isn't any bigger than Kurama. Madara's Susano'o is laid out straight in that panel. Kurama's body is turned at a near 90 degree angle. This would give the illusion that Perfect Susano'o is bigger, but it's not.

Your scaling is absolutely shit. By that scaling Ps would be hand held size compared to SS just stop.

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Your scaling is completely wrong so that alone dumps on your entire argument.

You're not countering anything that I'm saying. Can't say I'm surprised through. The scans I posted are probably the first time you've ever looked at any sort of manga panel.

No it would be at all. We can see the Earth curve from those meters prospective. SS is no where near that size. The best cutting feat EMS Madara Ps has is mountain level Madara meteors are far above that in terms of size. You keep mentioning the meteors being nothing but rocks but that's irrelevant since astroids are nothing but rock but there size alone gives them enough power to completely whip out life on Earth. Madara Ps is would be crushed beyond belief.

You can see the Earth's curvature here,

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because the panel is zoomed extremely far out so the readers can get a good view of the entire meteor shower.

No such thing is visible here when the meteors are zoomed in on, simply because they aren't that big.

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[Icelerate]

just like he believes sakura tanks bijuudama

She did in the novel. Got a problem with that?

 

[shelke]

And that's not what I said. He has to put this object under the control of his Rinnegan, not genjutsu specifically.

Yes, any strength gains that Sasuke makes is due to his own progression. I don't know how anyone could claim otherwise.

Shadow clones don't split physical strength and durability. They are stated to split chakra, nothing more. I don't know where you got the idea that Kurama can't be replicated when we already saw this happen.
Nothing implies that Madara's Susano'o clones were weaker than usual.

Indra doesn't possess Hagoromo's chakra. The potency of Hagoromo's chakra was passed down to Indra, not his exact chakra type. All his statement means is that the genes that Indra inherited gave him very powerful chakra.

No it doesn't, because as I already clarified, Sasuke doesn't possess this chakra and Susano'o can't be created from this chakra.

Sasuke hasn't shown the ability to turn any and everything into a core. He has shown the ability to turn entities under his control into a core, so that's the ability that he will be given.

No, what you're suggesting is comparable to Naruto creating a Rasengan without rotating his chakra first.

Genjutsu isn't even a part of Rinnegan skill repertoire. He can use it because of the combination of Tomoes and Rinnegan. Next thing you know, you'll be refering to Amaterasu used through that eye as Rinnegan Amaterasu. Furthermore, that is Deva path's ability and Sasuke would have been able to use it regardless of using Genjutsu or not. Paths have no co-relation to Sharingan abilities.

So, in a span of about two years, his chakra grew so potent that he took down a meteor with an ordinary Chidori? All right.

Shadow-clones were made out of the avatar. The Avatar carries limited chakra (Kurama has outright stated it many times). You take that chakra out; it loses its strength and durability. It's a rather simple mechanic. Kurama itself (that lies within Naruto) cannot be replicated. All you saw was Chakra acting on its own. The clones were made out of the Chakra Kurama put out (the avatar). Not Kurama. Something we have seen since part I. Even against Orochimaru when two heads grew out and the other one lashed out. Nothing out of the world.

I already gave that Madara example as well. The construct cannot carry more than a certain chakra. Divide it, and its power goes down. Sasuke absolutely pulverized Danzo with a lesser Susanoo, where as Madara couldn't do anything to Mei when a stabilized version punched her and nothing happened.

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You cannot slink around this one, I'm afraid.

But he does.

So, people are not entities? Now you are just playing with semantics.

Not really, no. You are talking about a technique mechanic and hoping to connect it to using a tech to turn someone into a core. How do these two co-relate?

 

[TRE MERCER]

The trees are closer to the camera than the mountain is, so no there is no way for you to even claim that that mountain was "extremely small".

Based on the scan you provided, Kurama wouldn't be able to fit in Shinsuusenju's hand, yet it can.

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That's a excuse not you actually countering it. Those trees are more than half the size of those mountains and the average size for a tree is only about 30-40ft. If we go by scaling those small mountains you posted only wields about 80ft at best. I said Ps couldn't fit in SS hands not Kurama. Here we see these Bijuudama's bigger than the Mokujin on SS head[

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] Madara blade attached to these Bijuudama are atleast 2 or 3x the size of the Bijuudama[

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]. Here we have Madara Standing Ps compared to his Ps blade[

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] Madara Ps is clearly bigger than his PS blades which means Madara standing Ps i much bigger than the Mokujin on SS head.

Perfect Susano'o isn't any bigger than Kurama. Madara's Susano'o is laid out straight in that panel. Kurama's body is turned at a near 90 degree angle. This would give the illusion that Perfect Susano'o is bigger, but it's not.

Kurama being layed out No. Kurama is clearly on one arm[

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] That Susanoo wouldn't even be half the size as the standing Ps Madara displayed[

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You're not countering anything that I'm saying. Can't say I'm surprised through. The scans I posted are probably the first time you've ever looked at any sort of manga panel.


You can see the Earth's curvature here,

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because the panel is zoomed extremely far out so the readers can get a good view of the entire meteor shower.

No such thing is visible here, when the meteors are zoomed in on, simply because they aren't that big.

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L0l don't make me get you with some real insults here let's stick to the debate at hand. Yes and the fact that his Meteors are seen clearly at the Earth curve should tell you how much bigger they are than SS. Sasuke Ps is so little compared to these Meteors that it isn't even visible until the manga showed a close up[

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Madara's CT are tiers above SS in terms of size stop the BS. Also quit using spoilers tag this isn't 2014.

 

[TheSages456]

Genjutsu isn't even a part of Rinnegan skill repertoire. He can use it because of the combination of Tomoes and Rinnegan. Next thing you know, you'll be refering to Amaterasu used through that eye as Rinnegan Amaterasu. Furthermore, that is Deva path's ability and Sasuke would have been able to use it regardless of using Genjutsu or not. Paths have no co-relation to Sharingan abilities.

Genjutsu is simply a way for him to bring a target under his control. Chakra rods could possibly be another method.
No, you have provided no evidence that he can turn targets into cores if they aren't under his control.

So, in a span of about two years, his chakra grew so potent that he took down a meteor with an ordinary Chidori? All right.

We saw Sasuke's ordinary Chidori during the Gaiden and it was nowhere near that level, so no. What Sasuke used to destroy the meteor wasn't the Chidori that he casually uses.

Shadow-clones were made out of the avatar. The Avatar carries limited chakra (Kurama has outright stated it many times). You take that chakra out; it loses its strength and durability. It's a rather simple mechanic. Kurama itself (that lies within Naruto) cannot be replicated. All you saw was Chakra acting on its own. The clones were made out of the Chakra Kurama put out (the avatar). Not Kurama. Something we have seen since part I. Even against Orochimaru when two heads grew out and the other one lashed out. Nothing out of the world.

Shadow clones are not stated to split durability and physical strength, just chakra. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

I already gave that Madara example as well. The construct cannot carry more than a certain chakra. Divide it, and its power goes down. Sasuke absolutely pulverized Danzo with a lesser Susanoo, where as Madara couldn't do anything to Mei when a stabilized version punched her and nothing happened.

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Madara created 25 clones and all that was divided was his chakra. All the clones had the ability to use the same V3 Susano'o as the original. There is no varying power.

Danzo's body had nowhere to go, so it was crushed under the force of it's fist. There was no resisting force on Mei's body, so the punch merely made her fly in the opposite direction.

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You cannot slink around this one, I'm afraid.

The genes that Indra inherited from Hagoromo gave him powerful chakra. It does not say that Indra possesses Hagoromo's chakra.

But he does.

No, he doesn't. I already explained that Sasuke needed to draw on Hagoromo's Six Paths Power of Shadow for a senjutsu Chidori. When he lost the seal, he lost the ability to use Hagoromo's Sage chakra stored inside the seal.
Next time you ignore my point, I'm just going to take it as a concession.

So, people are not entities? Now you are just playing with semantics.

Not really, no. You are talking about a technique mechanic and hoping to connect it to using a tech to turn someone into a core. How do these two co-relate?

If he puts any entity under his control, he can turn it into a core. He has not shown the ability to turn entities that aren't under his control into a core. It's that simple.

 

[TheSages456]

That's a excuse not you actually countering it. Those trees are more than half the size of those mountains and the average size for a tree is only about 30-40ft. If we go by scaling those small mountains you posted only wields about 80ft at best.

The mountains being farther away from the camera is an excuse? No, it's called perspective.

I said Ps couldn't fit in SS hands not Kurama.

They both can. You used Kurama's size compared to Shinsuusenju in that panel in a poor attempt to prove your point about Shinsuusenju not being that big. That would simply be another size inconsistency, because based on that panel, Kurama cannot fit into it's hand.

Here we see these Bijuudama's bigger than the Mokujin on SS head[

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] Madara blade attached to these Bijuudama are atleast 2 or 3x the size of the Bijuudama[

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]. Here we have Madara Standing Ps compared to his Ps blade[

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] Madara Ps is clearly bigger than his PS blades which means Madara standing Ps i much bigger than the Mokujin on SS head.

Bladed Bijudama vs Kurama

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Mokujin vs Kurama

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Stop using size inconsistencies to try to fulfill your biased agenda.

There isn't any difference between the Mokujin on Shinsuusenju's head and the one used during the war. They are the same exact construct.
You can't prove this though. It's kinda obvious when you deleted part of my post that compared Shinsuusenju to the Mokujin and the Mokujin to Perfect Susano'o.

Kurama being layed out No. Kurama is clearly on one arm[

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] That Susanoo wouldn't even be half the size as the standing Ps Madara displayed[

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Kurama being on 1 arm is irrelevant. I said that it's body was slanted at a near 90 degree angle, which would mean that you can't compare it's full body length to Susano'o.

The Susano'o that Madara is using in that panel is Perfect Susano'o without the chakra stabilized. It isn't any shorter than a stabilized Perfect Susano'o.

L0l don't make me get you with some real insults here let's stick to the debate at hand. Yes and the fact that his Meteors are seen clearly at the Earth curve should tell you how much bigger they are than SS. Sasuke Ps is so little compared to these Meteors that it isn't even visible until the manga showed a close up[

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Madara's CT are tiers above SS in terms of size stop the BS. Also quit using spoilers tag this isn't 2014.

Sticking to the debate isn't even working out since you aren't countering anything. Just crying and using ridiculous logic.

You can see the Earth's curvature because the panel is zoomed out to get a view of the whole shower. It isn't because a single meteor is so big that the camera is required to zoom out to that extent.
I already showed the image of the meteor zoomed in and no Earth's curvature is visible. You haven't countered that though, just more crying.

I already fulfilled my burden of proof. Madara's CT individually are smaller than the entirety of Shinsuusenju.

 

[Unorthodox]

Sasuke low diffs

 

[Tantalus Thief]

So the Thesages is the reason behide Vote Hashirama with company beating buffed Naruto and Sasuke?

It's well know that anything Madara and Hashirama related can't be taken seriously with thesage.

That's like taking Madara rules word for something Madara related.

Neither have a counter for genjutsu. Also what stops an Ameno PS blitz that can only blitz Naruto who reaction and speed feats shits on SS. Also SS can't do shit without it Sasuke being in range if he wanted to he could outlast Hashirama.

just like how anything Manda related can't be taken seriously with you

I kid.

Mercer, could Sauce take chakra from Kurama directly here regardless of who is controlling it. I think we can all agree Sasuke stomps in s2.

 

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The mountains being farther away from the camera is an excuse? No, it's called perspective.

You are killing your own argument. You claim the mountains only look tree size because of the perspective then you go back and say SS sitting down is tiers above mountain level.

They both can. You used Kurama's size compared to Shinsuusenju in that panel in a poor attempt to prove your point about Shinsuusenju not being that big. That would simply be another size inconsistency, because based on that panel, Kurama cannot fit into it's hand.

No Ps cannot as i've proved that PS is much bigger than Kurama and the Mokujin used that sits on top of SS head. Size inconsistency is what is killing your argument in an attempt to try and drag down the scans i've posted your also dragging down you own logic by using the claim size inconsistency as if it only affects my argument. It's also a huge size inconsistency that Kurama was being held in the Buddha hand when in this scan it is clearly bigger than the Buddha entire arm[

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Stop using size inconsistencies to try to fulfill your biased agenda.

All your claims are based on size inconsistency l0l it's so funny how you try and pull this claim when all can be said about all your shitty scaling.

There isn't any difference between the Mokujin on Shinsuusenju's head and the one used during the war. They are the same exact construct.
You can't prove this though. It's kinda obvious when you deleted part of my post that compared Shinsuusenju to the Mokujin and the Mokujin to Perfect Susano'o.

Well considering Madara Ps blade was clearly bigger than the Mokujin on SS head and it's been shown that his Ps is clearly bigger than his blade[

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] Yea i did delete it because i already completely shitted on it when i showd the scan of Madara Ps blade being bigger than it.

Kurama being on 1 arm is irrelevant. I said that it's body was slanted at a near 90 degree angle, which would mean that you can't compare it's full body length to Susano'o.

The Susano'o that Madara is using in that panel is Perfect Susano'o without the chakra stabilized. It isn't any shorter than a stabilized Perfect Susano'o.

You must literally be a retard. I was talking about Kurama height Kurama length is completely irrelevant here. Actually it's not an unstabilized Ps when we can see that the unstabilized Ps. Unstabilized Ps has an actual body[

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] One has a body and the other one doesn't stop trying to make things up now.

Sticking to the debate isn't even working out since you aren't countering anything. Just crying and using ridiculous logic.

I honestly can't believe out of all the people of the base you had the nerve to claim the bold.

You can see the Earth's curvature because the panel is zoomed out to get a view of the whole shower. It isn't because a single meteor is so big that the camera is required to zoom out to that extent.
I already showed the image of the meteor zoomed in and no Earth's curvature is visible. You haven't countered that though, just more crying.

I already fulfilled my burden of proof. Madara's CT individually are smaller than the entirety of Shinsuusenju.

Your dumb af bruh it's not even funny anymore. Never did i say the meteors were so big that the panel was force to be zoomed out. I said the fact that they zoomed out that far shows just how big the meteors was since there still very visible. Stop posting bruh just retire from the base.

 

[TRE MERCER]

just like how anything Manda related can't be taken seriously with you

I kid.

Mercer, could Sauce take chakra from Kurama directly here regardless of who is controlling it. I think we can all agree Sasuke stomps in s2.

Sasuke stomp in any scene. Don't let Thesage influence lead you to think other wise when he think that SS is the size of one of Madara's Chibaku tensei.

 

[Dawee]

Sasuke negs.

The strikes of his PS are magnitudes above the strikes of Madara's PS and can cut something far larger and more durable than Shinsuusenjuu in half without any difficulty. Then there's the fact that his PS strikes are incomparably weaker than his PS Chidori, and his PS is so mobile that it can fly and can massively outspeed meteors while Kyuusanoo has trouble catching base hashirama.

The destruction scales of Naruto and Sasuke VoTe 2 were massively dampened in order to accomplish artistic and symbolic goals. If A bijuudama explosion of this magnitude is actually what is required to blow off a PS arm, then you'd have to come to the conclusion that FRS >>> Bijuudama since the explosions from Naruto's FRS against Kaguya are

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which are as big as the crater beneath the shinjuu which in turn is

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Not only that, but Sasuke's PS slashes cut meteors the size of those craters which mean they have far more penetrating power than the VoTe 2 explosion, yet they do nothing to Naruto's avatar.

So the only logical way to view this is that you can't directly compare those scales of destruction to other destructive feats, instead you compare previous destructive feats like sasuke's PS slash vs Meteors and then scale up since Chidori/bijuudama >>>> PS Slash.

Conclusion: YRS sliced through the entire shinuuu without any difficulty. Sasuke's PS swords have even greater slicing feats, and his chidori is on a completely different level of power than his sword slashes. Sasuke's PS would most likely 2 shot with sword slashes, 1 for kyuusanoo and one for SS as both are below the shinjuu, at the very least he'd 2 shot with chidori which is on a totally different power than the attack that would slice SS in half.

Madara's CT individually are smaller than the entirety of Shinsuusenju.

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Size of 100% Kurama vs Shinsuusenjuu:

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The meteors completely dwarf Shinsuusenjuu, you could fit a dozen of them in the combined bijuudama crater.

 

[Waltz]

What are you honestly going on about that Sasuke needs to have the target under control before he can use CT simply because you believe this is necessary or is it that you have the piss poor fallacious argument that he's never done so without having the target under control, therefore he can't do it without having the target under control. So Sasuke's slashes went through the entire mass of mountain ranges clumped together in a dense ball accelerating towards him at a tremendous rate is equal to Madara removing the top of a few mountains which collectively mass wise is vastly inferior to what Sasuke cut through? Entertaining analogy.

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The image you posted isn't an accurate size depiction of the statue compared to mountains or the meteor.

-Mountains only come up to Shinsuusenju's knee while it's sitting down.

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-Based on how big Perfect Susano'o is in the Bijudama crater, Shinsuusenju with it's armament would take up half of that crater.

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-Madara's meteors were only as wide as the Shinju's stump

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And the Shinju's stump is only this big compared to the Bijudama crater

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So Shinsuusenju with it's armament would be wider than Madara's meteors by a significant amount.

Though I'm not seeing how this matters since Madara's CT aren't any more durable pound for pound than rock.

You haven't posted any evidence for the meteors being beyond Madara's capabilities to cut. All I saw were incoherent ideas that couldn't possibly mesh together to form a logical conclusion.

So these days we just take scans:

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And blow them up, cut and paste them out of a panel segment to suit our arguments and present them as proof right?

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The Kyuubi is also 8-10 times bigger than the Madara's Perfect Susano'o? Right? Smdh...

Nothing in the Manga is drawn to scale.
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My reaction when thesage mentioned size inconsistency

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[TheSages456]

You are killing your own argument. You claim the mountains only look tree size because of the perspective then you go back and say SS sitting down is tiers above mountain level.

Shinsuusenju is the farthest from the camera, with the mountain coming after, with the the trees coming after that.

No Ps cannot as i've proved that PS is much bigger than Kurama and the Mokujin used that sits on top of SS head. Size inconsistency is what is killing your argument in an attempt to try and drag down the scans i've posted your also dragging down you own logic by using the claim size inconsistency as if it only affects my argument. It's also a huge size inconsistency that Kurama was being held in the Buddha hand when in this scan it is clearly bigger than the Buddha entire arm[

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Inconsistency goes against what's most commonly depicted. More often than not, Kurama is depicted as being roughly the size of Shinsuusenju's hand, hence why it can be picked up.

All your claims are based on size inconsistency l0l it's so funny how you try and pull this claim when all can be said about all your shitty scaling.

The Mokujin and therefore Perfect Susano'o is the size of Shinsuusenju's head. The Mokujin being the same size as Shinsuusenju's head isn't an inconsistency.

I don't know why you don't use the same logic for Madara's CT considering that they only look comparable to single mountains depending on the panel.

Well considering Madara Ps blade was clearly bigger than the Mokujin on SS head and it's been shown that his Ps is clearly bigger than his blade[

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] Yea i did delete it because i already completely shitted on it when i showd the scan of Madara Ps blade being bigger than it.

So the Mokujin matches Kurama in size yet is smaller than the blade?

Kurama>Susano'o blade>Mokujin=Kurama. That's what your argument has to claim or are you going to claim that Madara's blade shrunk for some unknown reason?

The crutch of your argument was already proven to be an inconsistency. Shinsuusenju>>>>Mokujin=Perfect Susano'o is what's most commonly depicted.

You must literally be a retard. I was talking about Kurama height Kurama length is completely irrelevant here. Actually it's not an unstabilized Ps when we can see that the unstabilized Ps. Unstabilized Ps has an actual body[

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] One has a body and the other one doesn't stop trying to make things up now.

My point was that unstabilized Perfect Susano'o was the same size as the stabilized Perfect Susano'o. Then again, you've proven to be illiterate, so I can't say that I'm surprised.

I honestly can't believe out of all the people of the base you had the nerve to claim the bold.

Not like it isn't true seeing as to what you're forced to claim to save your trainwreck of an argument.

Your dumb af bruh it's not even funny anymore. Never did i say the meteors were so big that the panel was force to be zoomed out. I said the fact that they zoomed out that far shows just how big the meteors was since there still very visible. Stop posting bruh just retire from the base.

You're forced to claim that the Mokujin on Shinsuusenju's head is somehow different than the one that Hashirama used against Edo Madara, even though the manga makes no effort to even hint at this. The reach coming from your end is extremely desperate.

The meteors being visible when the Earth's curvature is visible is irrelevant. So is the Shinju's stump, which has already been proven to be smaller than Shinsuusenju.

 

[TheSages456]

What are you honestly going on about that Sasuke needs to have the target under control before he can use CT simply because you believe this is necessary or is it that you have the piss poor fallacious argument that he's never done so without having the target under control, therefore he can't do it without having the target under control. So Sasuke's slashes went through the entire mass of mountain ranges clumped together in a dense ball accelerating towards him at a tremendous rate is equal to Madara removing the top of a few mountains which collectively mass wise is vastly inferior to what Sasuke cut through? Entertaining analogy.

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That's what the manga showed. He has not shown the ability to just turn someone into a CT core whenever he wants, so you have to prove that he can. It's that simple. You have to actually provide evidence. I know this is a foreign concept to you.

Regardless of how much you like to exaggerate, Sasuke slash went through a mountain range worth of rock and nothing more. The rock heading towards him is irrelevant to it's durability or how far his shockwave travels and it isn't any more durable than a mountain pound for pound.

So these days we just take scans:

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And blow them up, cut and paste them out of a panel segment to suit our arguments and present them as proof right?

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The Kyuubi is also 8-10 times bigger than the Madara's Perfect Susano'o? Right? Smdh...

Nothing in the Manga is drawn to scale.
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Shinsuusenju is bigger since the Mokujin fits on it's head, therefore Shinsuusenju always gets scaled to a size where Perfect Susano'o is greater than or equal to the size of it's head.

One can't claim that Biju are bigger than people since nothing is drawn to scale, correct?