Rinnegan Sasuke > BM Naruto

Who is more powerful?

  • Rinnegan Sasuke

    Votes: 14 46.7%
  • Naruto needs BM to beat him (final mode)

    Votes: 9 30.0%
  • Naruto only needs KCM to beat him (the one he used against Edo Kages)

    Votes: 7 23.3%

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Wolfus

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EMS is EMS. and you have nothing to back your claim. the standard V4 was hit with the bijuudama and took no damage. that bijuudama looks small because it was launched by the regular sized kurama. it is actually about the size of the one naruto used to match the bijuu

EMS is EMS isn't a good argument. And considering you had nothing to counter my argument that it wasn't V4.(which was logical, as it was baed in events that happened in the manga, perhaps you're being unable to link one thing to the other). Besides, orochimaru, based on the knowledge that he had about madara and sasuke, said that sasuke will, one day, surpass madara. Considering the logical comparsion that oro would to, that is EMS madara and EMS sasuke(considering that there was no way to know that sasuke would get rinnegan, and would be illogical to say that sasuke EMS would surpass rinnegan madara), EMS is EMS is not a good argument.

Considering that you didn't care to counter my argument, and simply re-stated what you had previously sad, I believe this is over.
 

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EMS is EMS isn't a good argument. And considering you had nothing to counter my argument that it wasn't V4.(which was logical, as it was baed in events that happened in the manga, perhaps you're being unable to link one thing to the other). Besides, orochimaru, based on the knowledge that he had about madara and sasuke, said that sasuke will, one day, surpass madara. Considering the logical comparsion that oro would to, that is EMS madara and EMS sasuke(considering that there was no way to know that sasuke would get rinnegan, and would be illogical to say that sasuke EMS would surpass rinnegan madara), EMS is EMS is not a good argument.

Considering that you didn't care to counter my argument, and simply re-stated what you had previously sad, I believe this is over.

your argument is an assumption. It has no factual basis, so why debate it? there would be no way to prove your point.

EMS is EMS is a good argument, considering the other two to get EMS (indra heavily inplied) also got PS without outside help, it would be dumb to not be able to transfer those feats to the newest EMS user
 

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no one said that




oh god not the grammar police. You really are retarded if you base intellictual capability on internet grammar. Its an obvious case of not giving a **** and taking the time to actually care about such insignificant things. If you don't like being called an idiot for your stupid opinions on a manga, then don't assert your opinion on a site where people discuss said manga. U_U
not that I am on anyone's side, but you're obviously mentally challenged if you base intellect on whether you win or not an internet argument about Manga that is based on opinions. Seriously, I'd slap you in real life for being such a butt-hurt brat. Like the other user said, you take fictional drawings way too seriously. If you're annoying here, I can't imagine you in real life. Oh Gosh, please no.
 

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your argument is an assumption. It has no factual basis, so why debate it? there would be no way to prove your point.

EMS is EMS is a good argument, considering the other two to get EMS (indra heavily inplied) also got PS without outside help, it would be dumb to not be able to transfer those feats to the newest EMS user

No, my argument is a logical conclusion baed on a series of events. If you didn't get it, let me try to explain it in "slow motion" for you. Madara was covering kurama with susanoo. We've seen that the version that had already fully covered kurama after the explosion was PS. It's obvious that madara was triggering PS.
Now, to compare it with another situation, in which madara also triggered PS. The fight with kages, in which he used the unstabilized version(that is similar to the one he was using when covering kurama) and then managed to stabilize it very quickly.

So far, all of what's mentuoned above are facts. Now, here comes the logical conclusion of an analysis: The bijuu dama was about to hit madara's susanoo in that scan. We know that madara was stabilizing his PS, and we know he can do it very quickly. Putting this together, we can conclude that the version of susanoo hit by the bijuu dama was above V4. Let's call it X, and say that V4<X</=PS

I don't seen any baseless assumption here. What I see is a lack of counter.

Not, it's not a good argument, since oro's comparison is a counter to i. Not only that, but you're comparing a guy who had years of training and mastery of his EMS and PS to a guy that just got his PS and EMS. To say they're equals only because of that is silly. If I get a, idk, a formula 1 driver that just entered, and compare him with a multi championship winner, and say they're equals because they are both formula 1 drivers, is that logical?

I hope I made my point.
 

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Since when did Sasuke get the Rinnegan?

This is all based of a childish assumption to try prove Sasuke>Naruto when in fact Naruto stomps current Sasuke.

Accept the fact that Naruto>Sasuke until Kishi shows otherwise.

Sasuke is still yet to show his perfect susanoo.
 

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Well duh. I don't think anybody would argue against this. I think BSM Naruto>EMS Sasuke, but rinnegan may very well place Sasuke above BSM Naruto.


but we saw madara

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Naruto fans like to give him Kabuto's feats all the time. lets give sasuke EMS madara's feats.

as far as feats go, sasuke's has a shield and madara's doesn't. Because its defensive capability hasn't been tested, you can't assert naruto can break it.



Kabuto in 3rd databook: Strength: 3.0 speed 3.5 taijutsu: 3.5


Naruto in 3rd databook: Strength 3.5 speed 3.5 taijutsu 3.5.


Naruto's shown signs of improvement as well. There's no reason that if Naruto was slightly superior physically in base, that things like SM Naruto's speed would equal or be greater DSM Kabuto's.


Sasuke and Madara, on the other hand, have no statistics labeling them equals.
 
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Manga facts:

1. Ems=bsm

2. Jubi eye sasuke godstomp bsm
 

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i think ems sasuke was stronger than bm naruto.... ems sasuke before awakened PS...was around bm naruto's lvl

as for rinnengan sasuke...

bm naruto was 1 paneled by non jinjurikik madara,

tree absorbed jin madara was running away from rinnengan sasuke
 
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Yea ima take sauce in this one.
 
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