[VS] Rinnegan Obito vs Hashirama

[OnPoint]

Doesnt matter if he has the sharingan precog with him here,
first of all, obito wont even be able to decipher the real from the original, so there goes his chance of catching the real hashirama,
secondly, obito needs to solidifiy to attack, and he actually needs to touch or be within 2m of his opponent in-order to warp him,
with that being said, the moment this happens, hashirama has over 20 clones at his disposal to comfortably attack him during that interval,
and like i said, using the kamui warp for obito is possibly the worst decision when hes getting attacked from both dimensions meaning that he either gets attacked from both dimensions or he fights without even intangibility, both of which result in a rape
not to mention that with the aid of SM, hashiramas sensing and reflexes would be immense, therefore ensuring that hes the one landing the blow at obito

The Sharingan's precog isn't there to aid him in telling which is the real Shodai. It's to enhance his evasiveness and make Kamui even more of a pain in the backside for Hashirama. Throw in the Paths' linked vision and it's going to take something extraordinary in order to land any sort of meaningful blow on Obito, especially since he's already partially schooled in Mokuton and how it works.

Hashirama producing an unusually large quantity of Moku Bunshin doesn't seem particularly in character to me given he's only actually fighting one opponent. Yes he'll use clones to match the Jinchuuriki. No, he probably won't resort to 20 them. With Kamui, Obito can rely on a more stealthy approach - he can appear anywhere in the environment (be it from the ground or water) and his chakra cannot be sensed. Hashirama cannot track his movements.

The Jinchuuriki paths provide the perfect distraction for Shodai, who has no knowledge on Kamui or its workings. He isn't to know that CQC is completely off limits.

We've already mentioned why it is likely that Obito has complete control over where in Kamuiland his victims are sent, so why you continue to refer to some two-dimensional assault I don't know. You assuming that Hashirama knows from the off how to go about fighting a Kamui user is baffling too.

Nope, it wont be OOC at all, especially when hashirama would know that he requires diversions to attack obito with, and the more the better,
meaning that he can form 25 mokuton clones just fine, and take him out

He doesn't know that. Not right away anyway.

Actually he really isnt, there has been no proof of that,

There is proof. See Fuu & Torune, and how Obito was able to expel metallic weaponry in conjunction to Kamui without ever putting himself at risk.

when obito warped kakashi into the dimension, he ended up at exactly the same place as where he warps his body parts at,
and when even madara warped into kamui, he turned at exactly the same place as where obito/sakura were,

Kakashi had seemingly hit his chakra limit; that proves nothing other than complacency on Obito's part. Why bother sending him anywhere else when he'd be dead shortly?

That's not surprising seeing as Madara was in control of his own transportation. Why would he send himself anywhere else in Kamuiland.

you're going to need proof on the fact that kamui is endless, because based on what we have seen, everything comes and goes at exactly the same spot, thus ensuring that obito gets hit

The evidence is;

a) Fuu & Torune didn't take advantage of being in separate dimensions when fighting Obito
b) We never saw his giant kunai or similar in that dimension.

Nah not unreasonable,, its just that once hashirama gets intel on kamui, its not an issue for him at all

Intel? Yondaime had to resort to Hiraishin to come to some sort of meaningful conclusion, whilst Kakashi benefited from sharing the Jutsu.

Nope, base hashirama had the speed to outrun even the PS-TBB , something which travelled the entire sea within seconds,
and he had the speed comparable to blind madara who nigh blitzed even SM naruto,

now add his SM, and we had Madara react and even evade an FTG based attack from tobirama which is faster than kamui, and land a blow on the same guy who reacted to even juubito,,

Useless if he cannot see or sense Obito. He will only react to a hand on his shoulder - and by then, it'll be too late. Naruto, being able to sense negative emotions and having his speed enhanced by the Kyuubi Chakra Mode, was a fingertip away from being captured before being saved by Kakashi & Gai.

Shodai isn't faster than Minato (who was almost caught), either.

so if obito really decides to touch hashirama, he would get stabbed by a mokuton spike during that interval especially when we take hashiramas SM reflexes into consideration,
hashirama having the clones just makes this even easier for him

Hashirama isn't weaving hand signs for any Jutsu quicker than he is being warped. He simply isn't.

The bijuu and the mazo are not doing anything at all here, and obito is certainly not attacking hashirama when he'll have the bijuus at his disposal,
furthermore hashirama knows his arsenal is completely anti bijuu,, meaning that he uses just that to take them out, when he canonically pinned even V3 juubi down with myojinomon the moment he arrived

The Bijuu were never the issue for Shodai, which was made quite clear by my argument. The nature of the Paths and how they work will be, however. Hashirama doesn't know if they can use all of the Rinnegan's abilities. He doesn't know, initially, about their linked vision. He doesn't even know what Gedou Mazou is. Brushing over his lack of knowledge as if it simply isn't an issue is nonsense.

Why you think Obito (who does have intel on Mokuton's suppressive ability) would gift Hashirama such large targets (by making the Jinchuuriki transform into their full forms) is again, baffling.

Myojinmon pins them down compltely, before they even fire off their TBB, and the bijuus reverting back to V2 isnt cutting it either when hashirama has shown to be able to use myojinmon on human sized targets as well, thus allowing the clones to either remove their stakes, or simply putting them to sleep

He needs to catch them first, which is why the Rinnegan's linked vision is a problem for him.

mokuryu is also sucking the bijuus dry, especially when it immobilised even a perfect jin like bee, as it sucks them to a point they will be left immobilised

This is dependant on them actually converting to those forms.

SS isnt even needed to eradicate the bijuus, when base hashiramas arsenal is a nightmare for them,

Shinsuusenju would be a waste of chakra in the long run.

he would have to solidify in-order to do that, meaning that the pollen would take into effect right at the moment

He doesn't need to inhale as he warps.

its not cutting it here, when his mokutons are forest size, which required several rasengans to take out
and whe v1 cloak alone repelled his katons away,

furthermore katon is just enhancing the pollen even more

Fire spreads. And no, it should incinerate the pollen.

What flight?
if you mean chomei, then it just gets pinned down, as its not evading it at well,

It still give Obito a means of escaping the forest.

It actually is,

No.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Im surprise no one is factoring chakra receivers.

 

[Jove]

Hashirama owns, He could simply use Gracious deity gates to immobilize all of the Bijuu, and I doubt Obito has anything in his arsenal that could defeat the Thousand armed Kan'on. Not even EMS Madara, before his "death", could defeat Hashirama. If Madara couldn't defeat him, then Obito definitely can't. Also Obito couldn't use the Rinnegan's full potential unlike Nagato...

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Hashirama high-diff. It's high-diff because Hashirama has no way to trap kamui, only outlast it. The flower tree world really isn't a threat to Obito since he can freely teleport anywhere. However, with SM reflexes, and wood style popping out everywhere, and huge chakra reserves, Hasirama would inevitably win against Obito via outlasting kamui. The bijus are a non factor since Hashirama has specific jutsus that can make them go unconscious.

 

[VongolaX]

You must be mad.

50% Kyuubi canonically kept up with 5 Bijuu and overpowered them. It took the combined power of 5 Bijuu to stalemate with the Bijuudama of Kyuubi. Though Naruto had an advanced Bijuumode, chakra-wise, it was 50% Kyuubi. While 100% Kyuubi is by far bigger and has twice as much Chakra. Not to mention the raw power. Madara's wood dragon suppressed 50% Kyuubi, while 100% Kyuubi just ripped it apart. Fact is also, that with Mokuton, Madara dealt with both 50% Kyuubi and Hachibi. The Bijuu themselves couldn't deal with the Mokuton. Naruto tore the Mokuton apart which restrained the Hachibi - the second strongest Bijuu of a perfect Jinchuriki.

It also doesn't matter what Madara said about his perfect Susanoo and the power of the Bijuu. Power wise, both a Bijuu and the perfect Susanoo cause a similar amount of destruction, hence it rivals them in strength. Yet, feat wise, the perfect Susanoo clearly surpasses the Bijuu, as it is bigger and tanks a Bijuudama effortlessly, what can't be said about the Bijuu, when Hachibi received hard damage after he took his own Bijuudama. Plus, even Bijuu reach their Chakra limit when they use their Bijuudama too often. The perfect Susanoo however can be maintained as long as the user wants, as the Eternal Mangekyo eliminates the suffering from the usage of MS techniques. A single strike slices mountain ranges, and Madara can keep this going and going. The full Kyuubi also has by far more Chakra than the rest of the Bijuu, seeing how it instantly shots 10+ Bijuudamas at the Buddha. Even 50% Kyuubi creates a Bijuudama equal to the combined Bijuudama of Obito's 5 Bijuu.

How the fck is this even debatable if this is all canon? When it's canon that 50% Kyuubi kept up with 5 Bijuu and used a Bijuudama equal to their combined? You say a perfect Jinchuriki shits on the gates unlike a "wild" Bijuu. When their Bijuu transformation is nothing but them releasing their Bijuu. Bee is also a perfect Jinchuriki, of the second strongest Bijuu. Yet Madara fobbed him off with a simple Mokuton technique.

Gedo Mazo solos the 9 Bijuu when used by the true wielder of the Rinnegan. Obito is weak compared to this. He had the Gedo Mazo statue all along but didn't use it against Bee and Naruto, simply because he couldn't. Akatsuki needed 3 days to extract one Bijuu. Madara seals all 9 Bijuu at once instantly.

The Jinchuriki have no chance against the Mokuton. If they enter V1 or V2 of their Chakra mode, Hashirama simply suppresses their power with Mokuton. As he does with the Bijuu.

What Madara did or how he crushed the gates is irrelevant; the Bijuu are not crushing the gates, as the Juubi didn't. So they're either eliminated by the gates or by Mokuton, like Kyuubi and Hachibi.

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You need to stop making up senerio's and actually follow what the manga says.

Before I go on to read whatever you have to say, you need to correct the bold part because you and I know that's not true.

Only a mad person would.

 

[Ken Masters]

i'm a big fan of hashirama but he can't win against obito

near death obito was capable of this

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obito is hashirama's worst match-up that's all