NaruSasuRival
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Welcome to my thread. As you all know, I don't create thread often, and when I create one, it is to challenge the idolatry on the base. Well, I am a fanboy, but I don't like fanboys who wish unreasonably a feat for their characters or accept every dust that Kishi or the translator throw at them. Thus, in this thread, I will be addressing the question of Rinnegan.
First, I still saying that whatever Sasuke got from his slumber - that nine tomoed eye is still not a Rinnegan because Rinnegan has been defined as a pair of eyes possessing only Ripples.
If you have been able (Sasuke's fanboys) to continue after the above, then take a look at the following in order to see some discrepancy between Madara's statement and Hagoromo, and why Kishi is playing a nice game with his readers.
I. The nine Tomoe eyes and the Rinnegan are different
I say so, and the manga agree with me. Here are the different occurences from older to newer.
As you can see above, the eye that Kishi used to represents the Shinju which went berserk after losing his fruit is a Rinnegan, and it is different from the one that is inside the flower of the Shinju - the one that Kaguya had and that Sasuke has now.
Rinnegan was said to be Rikudo's eyes, and we can see above, that Rikudo really has what we call Rinnegan. It is the same as the Shinju who went berserk after his fruit was stolen.
The above part is the logical one, and If I was not tired, I would have brought the place where Madara was switching between his EMS and his Rinnegan. This Rinnegan is not the same as the Sharingan that is in the Shinju fruit. This further support the fact that Rikudo only increase the power of Sasuke's Sharingan in the same way he increased the power of Naruto's body - which resulted in perfect Senjutsu for Naruto. As the sage himself said, rather than giving all his power to one person, he will split it in two - this is consistent with the perfect sharingan theory and go against the Rinnegan of Sasuke.
Now, I will say the source of the Rinnegan.
II. Pure heart and Hatred
An important pieace that many people have forgotten is the hatred tune. Remember, for a Jinchurki to win and take the chakra of a Biju, he need to transcend himself and drop his hatred. Moreover, for them to become perfect Jinchuriki, they need to tame the Biju, which means the Biju need also get rid off his hatred. Only these two pure hearted entity can cooperate, yielding an overflow of power. I could use Killer Bee's coaching to Naruto, the waterfall of truth, but the reader can overlook such fact. Nagato was not only a wielder of the true Rinnegan, but also someone who wanted to use Biju chakra, and was an uzumaki as well.
Since the above is establish, I can move on.
III. The SO6P, the Juubi and The Rinnegan
From what is above, I believe Rikudo did not tame the juubi. He was unable to make piece with it and this is why he had to seal it in the moon. However, Rikudo did the job half way - that is he himself did not have any hatred in his heart. Therefore, he was able to take Juubi's chakra without going crazy. After obtaining that chakra, he was able to unlock Rinnegan as a manifestation of the two coalescing chakra - his own and the juubi's. This is similar to Naruto taking Yan kyuubi's chakra.
Here, the key to unlocking Rinnegan is not the juubi chakra alone. Rather, it both the activation of the spirit and body by the chakra along with the Ninshu concept - that is lack of hatred, or not being power hungry.
IV. Strong evidence that Rinnegan tied to Ninshu and pure Juubi chakra
Naruto's back showing 9 tomoe + Rinnegan Symbol
Madara's back
As you can see above, the back of Naruto and Madara shows a symbol that characterises those who possess Rikudo's power. You may disagree with this interpretation, but it is the real one. Juubito called equate himself to Rikudo Sennin only after becoming the Juubi Jinchuriki. So both Juubito, juubidara, hagoromo, and now Naruto have the same marking that characterizes the power of the Rinnegan and the nine Biju in one.
Note to those who don't understand Naruto's own power:
From the above remark, unless one think the markings on Naruto's back are just artwork, you need to be prepare to see Naruto performing some serious Jutsus of the six paths.
Let move on if you are still hanging.
IV. You said Naruto is not the reincarnation of Rikudo!
Yeah, that what many people say. They say that Rikudo told Naruto that he is the reincarnation of Ashura, and therefore, naruto is not the reincarnation of Hagoromo. Well, you are right. Naruto is not the reincarnation of Hagoromo. Rather, he is the successor of Hagoromo. He is the next preacher of Ninshu, and this come along with enlightenment. Thus, naruto will:
(1) become a sealing master
(2) execute all the Jutsus of the six path that you have not seen yet.
As you can see here, Naruto does not have two staff. Rather, he has two black rods similar to the balck rod that only those who possess both Madara and Hashirama's DNA can create. Remember, Madara called it his will, and he was able to solidify it using the power of the mazou. He gave it to Obito, and Obito used it against Konan and others. Nagato also used it to create his six paths of pains, etc.
(3) Obtain the same Rinnegan as Hagoromo.
Yeah, this is where we are going. Naruto is a born Ninshu priest, he has wiped his hatred, and he has wiped the hatred of the biju against humanity. As you can see, the next step is enlightenments and awakening of Rinnegan. In case you think I am crazy, check this:
he think he can change everything ...
Not empty words, but the real thing. He seems to suddenly be able to create every possible Ninjutsu
Finally, I will say the same power gives the same effects:
Just like Rikudo.
V. Conclusion
My goal here was to remind us some basis that we are building the theories on. So far, I don't think the manga contradict itself. I believe that sometimes, Kishi uses some trick in order to keep the suspense and not make the series too obvious. Fact here is that every eyes that contains tomoe is imperfect, and need help to get strength. Tomoes are the sign of hatred and evil, and they also means limitation. Unlike what many people think, I think Sasuke's eyes will be just more powerful than his former EMS. I hope he will awaken them in both eyes, yet they are still Sharingan. The Rinnegan is the eyes of a true god in the Narutoverse, who is not thinking of himself, and is not involved in any conflict.
Madara cheated (hagoromo's words) and rebuild them, but he had hatred in his heart, and could not be strong. However, those who ride on the Ninshu principle obtained great power and enlightenment. As for now, though naruto does not have Rinnegan, he is acting like someone who knows everything. This is just the beginning and towards the end of the current battle, you will see. Naruto's power will leads to hardening Sasuke's heart against to reveal his true heart.
Enjoy!
First, I still saying that whatever Sasuke got from his slumber - that nine tomoed eye is still not a Rinnegan because Rinnegan has been defined as a pair of eyes possessing only Ripples.
If you have been able (Sasuke's fanboys) to continue after the above, then take a look at the following in order to see some discrepancy between Madara's statement and Hagoromo, and why Kishi is playing a nice game with his readers.
I. The nine Tomoe eyes and the Rinnegan are different
I say so, and the manga agree with me. Here are the different occurences from older to newer.
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As you can see above, the eye that Kishi used to represents the Shinju which went berserk after losing his fruit is a Rinnegan, and it is different from the one that is inside the flower of the Shinju - the one that Kaguya had and that Sasuke has now.
You must be registered for see images
Rinnegan was said to be Rikudo's eyes, and we can see above, that Rikudo really has what we call Rinnegan. It is the same as the Shinju who went berserk after his fruit was stolen.
The above part is the logical one, and If I was not tired, I would have brought the place where Madara was switching between his EMS and his Rinnegan. This Rinnegan is not the same as the Sharingan that is in the Shinju fruit. This further support the fact that Rikudo only increase the power of Sasuke's Sharingan in the same way he increased the power of Naruto's body - which resulted in perfect Senjutsu for Naruto. As the sage himself said, rather than giving all his power to one person, he will split it in two - this is consistent with the perfect sharingan theory and go against the Rinnegan of Sasuke.
Now, I will say the source of the Rinnegan.
II. Pure heart and Hatred
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An important pieace that many people have forgotten is the hatred tune. Remember, for a Jinchurki to win and take the chakra of a Biju, he need to transcend himself and drop his hatred. Moreover, for them to become perfect Jinchuriki, they need to tame the Biju, which means the Biju need also get rid off his hatred. Only these two pure hearted entity can cooperate, yielding an overflow of power. I could use Killer Bee's coaching to Naruto, the waterfall of truth, but the reader can overlook such fact. Nagato was not only a wielder of the true Rinnegan, but also someone who wanted to use Biju chakra, and was an uzumaki as well.
Since the above is establish, I can move on.
III. The SO6P, the Juubi and The Rinnegan
From what is above, I believe Rikudo did not tame the juubi. He was unable to make piece with it and this is why he had to seal it in the moon. However, Rikudo did the job half way - that is he himself did not have any hatred in his heart. Therefore, he was able to take Juubi's chakra without going crazy. After obtaining that chakra, he was able to unlock Rinnegan as a manifestation of the two coalescing chakra - his own and the juubi's. This is similar to Naruto taking Yan kyuubi's chakra.
Here, the key to unlocking Rinnegan is not the juubi chakra alone. Rather, it both the activation of the spirit and body by the chakra along with the Ninshu concept - that is lack of hatred, or not being power hungry.
IV. Strong evidence that Rinnegan tied to Ninshu and pure Juubi chakra
Naruto's back showing 9 tomoe + Rinnegan Symbol
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Madara's back
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As you can see above, the back of Naruto and Madara shows a symbol that characterises those who possess Rikudo's power. You may disagree with this interpretation, but it is the real one. Juubito called equate himself to Rikudo Sennin only after becoming the Juubi Jinchuriki. So both Juubito, juubidara, hagoromo, and now Naruto have the same marking that characterizes the power of the Rinnegan and the nine Biju in one.
Note to those who don't understand Naruto's own power:
Naruto's cloak proves that Naruto's vessel is a perfect vessel and maybe stronger than Hagoromo's. In addition to Hagoromo's markings, Naruto has additional marking on his shoulders. I will address this in another thread.
From the above remark, unless one think the markings on Naruto's back are just artwork, you need to be prepare to see Naruto performing some serious Jutsus of the six paths.
Let move on if you are still hanging.
IV. You said Naruto is not the reincarnation of Rikudo!
Yeah, that what many people say. They say that Rikudo told Naruto that he is the reincarnation of Ashura, and therefore, naruto is not the reincarnation of Hagoromo. Well, you are right. Naruto is not the reincarnation of Hagoromo. Rather, he is the successor of Hagoromo. He is the next preacher of Ninshu, and this come along with enlightenment. Thus, naruto will:
(1) become a sealing master
You must be registered for see images
(2) execute all the Jutsus of the six path that you have not seen yet.
You must be registered for see images
As you can see here, Naruto does not have two staff. Rather, he has two black rods similar to the balck rod that only those who possess both Madara and Hashirama's DNA can create. Remember, Madara called it his will, and he was able to solidify it using the power of the mazou. He gave it to Obito, and Obito used it against Konan and others. Nagato also used it to create his six paths of pains, etc.
(3) Obtain the same Rinnegan as Hagoromo.
Yeah, this is where we are going. Naruto is a born Ninshu priest, he has wiped his hatred, and he has wiped the hatred of the biju against humanity. As you can see, the next step is enlightenments and awakening of Rinnegan. In case you think I am crazy, check this:
he think he can change everything ...
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[/spoiler]Not empty words, but the real thing. He seems to suddenly be able to create every possible Ninjutsu
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Finally, I will say the same power gives the same effects:
Just like Rikudo.
You must be registered for see images
V. Conclusion
My goal here was to remind us some basis that we are building the theories on. So far, I don't think the manga contradict itself. I believe that sometimes, Kishi uses some trick in order to keep the suspense and not make the series too obvious. Fact here is that every eyes that contains tomoe is imperfect, and need help to get strength. Tomoes are the sign of hatred and evil, and they also means limitation. Unlike what many people think, I think Sasuke's eyes will be just more powerful than his former EMS. I hope he will awaken them in both eyes, yet they are still Sharingan. The Rinnegan is the eyes of a true god in the Narutoverse, who is not thinking of himself, and is not involved in any conflict.
Madara cheated (hagoromo's words) and rebuild them, but he had hatred in his heart, and could not be strong. However, those who ride on the Ninshu principle obtained great power and enlightenment. As for now, though naruto does not have Rinnegan, he is acting like someone who knows everything. This is just the beginning and towards the end of the current battle, you will see. Naruto's power will leads to hardening Sasuke's heart against to reveal his true heart.
Enjoy!
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