Rinnegan + EMS Madara is stronger than Hashirama
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reading the chapter makes me think madara now is stronger than hashirama but at the same time seeing kurama fight knowing that he is now just half of what he was, at the time he was fighting along side madara against hashirama, ems madara + kuby < hashirama.. i cant conclude any thing yet but i think we can somehow read the equation... i think it going to be the same result.. 
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Kabuto states Hashirama was close in legend and abilities as the SO6P - that tells you he far surpassed Madara. Not only did he control Kurama but he also took control of the other tailed beasts, that feat itself only the Sage and now Naruto did. Even with Rinnegan I dont think Madara can defeat the 1st, but what has changed now is the fact the edo Madara has the 1st abilities as well - well the wood style jutsu that we know of anyway.
So Edo Madara (Madara + Hashirama) should obviously be more powerful than the first. But as Kishi has not revealed the 1sts other abilities the jury is still out with this i think.
So Edo Madara (Madara + Hashirama) should obviously be more powerful than the first. But as Kishi has not revealed the 1sts other abilities the jury is still out with this i think.
I can tell that hashirama won with really hard difficulty, from the video from the naruto generations game, and also from manga, imo madaraa with the rinnegan is just too much for hashirama.
Also, u dont have to know hashi full powers, or madaraa powers u just have to know that he won hardly, having rinnegan then, think about it.
Also, u dont have to know hashi full powers, or madaraa powers u just have to know that he won hardly, having rinnegan then, think about it.
reading the chapter makes me think madara now is stronger than hashirama but at the same time seeing kurama fight knowing that he is now just half of what he was, at the time he was fighting along side madara against hashirama, ems madara + kuby < hashirama.. i cant conclude any thing yet but i think we can somehow read the equation... i think it going to be the same result..
The kyuubi was taken out of madaraa control so fast, so it wasnt that big of a factor.
Sorry for dual post but im using iphone :/.
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I think people are giving the rinnegan too much credit here, didnt Naruto over come Pain, didnt Itachi seal Pain in his full form as Madara?
The first had some crazy sealing techniques as well I still think even Rinnegan Madara wouldnt have taken the 1st out.
We must wait though to see how he unlocked the Rinnegan, if the 1st had a hand in this you can say Madara would have never reached that stage in the first place making this discussion irrelevant.
Rinnegan as jiraya said is the strongest ocular power, naruto basically overcame pain because he used tons of chakra before naruto comes(and if u rewatch ull see that naruto had alot of help), thats one, also pain rinnegan power was already known to the leaf village (sharing same sight etc), and pain didnt have the 6 bodies united ( which makes the body have the full 6 paths) which made naruto fight one path at the end.
The first having sealing techniques is understandable, but that wont help him vs madara with rinnegan, because he cant just seal him.
About itachi, nagato body was ****ed up he couldnt even move on his own.
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The 1st had tons of Chakra as well, check what Kabuto said about him in the latest Manga he compared him near to the SO6P. Naruto at a ripe age of 16 took pain out with his 6 paths, yes he had alot of help through intel and Kurama.
Nagato body wasnt messed up when he fought Itachi, he come to his full form when he took chakra from Bee and he was using Madara's rennigan. And Itachi sealed him with the sword.
The 1st wife remember was an Uzumaki and she had some crazy sealing abilities as well. Just because Madara gets the Rennigan doesnt make him ultimate. What has made him ultimate is having the 1sts abilities cast into him.
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What?! How dare you even compare that wood idiot to Madara Uchiha?!
He´s the strongest shinobi that ever lived!!!!! No one can stand up to him!!!:izuna:
He let Hasirama beat him, why can´t you people get that?! Madara would shove a wood up Hashiramas asss if he fought for real!!!:noc:
There is a reason Madara has a statue at the Valley of the end!! There is a reason why Tobi wanted to be like Madara and not Hashirama!! There is a reason why Madara is Kabutos trump card and not Hashirama!!!xd
There is a reason why he is owning the five kages with ease!! It means he could easily do the same with the first hokage if he wanted too!!!!!:worshippy:
Don´t ever compare those too, we know damn well that Madara is the strongest!! Kabuto said he surpassed the so6p so stop with these useless threads!!!!:flaw:
He´s the strongest shinobi that ever lived!!!!! No one can stand up to him!!!:izuna:
He let Hasirama beat him, why can´t you people get that?! Madara would shove a wood up Hashiramas asss if he fought for real!!!:noc:
There is a reason Madara has a statue at the Valley of the end!! There is a reason why Tobi wanted to be like Madara and not Hashirama!! There is a reason why Madara is Kabutos trump card and not Hashirama!!!xd
There is a reason why he is owning the five kages with ease!! It means he could easily do the same with the first hokage if he wanted too!!!!!:worshippy:
Don´t ever compare those too, we know damn well that Madara is the strongest!! Kabuto said he surpassed the so6p so stop with these useless threads!!!!:flaw:
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What?! How dare you even compare that wood idiot to Madara Uchiha?!
He´s the strongest shinobi that ever lived!!!!! No one can stand up to him!!!:izuna:
He let Hasirama beat him, why can´t you people get that?! Madara would shove a wood up Hashiramas asss if he fought for real!!!:noc:
There is a reason Madara has a statue at the Valley of the end!! There is a reason why Tobi wanted to be like Madara and not Hashirama!! There is a reason why Madara is Kabutos trump card and not Hashirama!!!xd
There is a reason why he is owning the five kages with ease!! It means he could easily do the same with the first hokage if he wanted too!!!!!:worshippy:
Don´t ever compare those too, we know damn well that Madara is the strongest!! Kabuto said he surpassed the so6p so stop with these useless threads!!!!:flaw:
Wow, someone is a Madara fanboy. Yeah, you do know most of the reason he is beating the kages is because he's in Edo form. Plus, Kabuto couldn't use Hashirama evenif he wanted to because of the Reaper Death Seal performed by Sarutobi. Oh, and by the way, SO6P was the jinchuuriki of Juubi. Madara is not. Argument=invalid.
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What?! How dare you even compare that wood idiot to Madara Uchiha?!
He´s the strongest shinobi that ever lived!!!!! No one can stand up to him!!!:izuna:
He let Hasirama beat him, why can´t you people get that?! Madara would shove a wood up Hashiramas asss if he fought for real!!!:noc:
There is a reason Madara has a statue at the Valley of the end!! There is a reason why Tobi wanted to be like Madara and not Hashirama!! There is a reason why Madara is Kabutos trump card and not Hashirama!!!xd
There is a reason why he is owning the five kages with ease!! It means he could easily do the same with the first hokage if he wanted too!!!!!:worshippy:
Don´t ever compare those too, we know damn well that Madara is the strongest!! Kabuto said he surpassed the so6p so stop with these useless threads!!!!:flaw:
Madara is my fav character but I hate hearing that BS that he let Hashirama win. How dumb is that. Why wouldn't he just defeat Hashirama and then take the DNA? It's because he couldn't................................Infact, you just posted the dumbest sh*t i've read in a long time.
Joined Aug 2011,What?! How dare you even compare that wood idiot to Madara Uchiha?!
He´s the strongest shinobi that ever lived!!!!! No one can stand up to him!!!:izuna:
He let Hasirama beat him, why can´t you people get that?! Madara would shove a wood up Hashiramas asss if he fought for real!!!:noc:
There is a reason Madara has a statue at the Valley of the end!! There is a reason why Tobi wanted to be like Madara and not Hashirama!! There is a reason why Madara is Kabutos trump card and not Hashirama!!!xd
There is a reason why he is owning the five kages with ease!! It means he could easily do the same with the first hokage if he wanted too!!!!!:worshippy:
Don´t ever compare those too, we know damn well that Madara is the strongest!! Kabuto said he surpassed the so6p so stop with these useless threads!!!!:flaw:
6 months ? Maybe and 3k posts thats shitload of spam, in almost every forum i visit old members are really( lets say smart and knkw what an argument is), but in this one its just lulz
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What?! How dare you even compare that wood idiot to Madara Uchiha?!
He´s the strongest shinobi that ever lived!!!!! No one can stand up to him!!!:izuna:
He let Hasirama beat him, why can´t you people get that?! Madara would shove a wood up Hashiramas asss if he fought for real!!!:noc:
There is a reason Madara has a statue at the Valley of the end!! There is a reason why Tobi wanted to be like Madara and not Hashirama!! There is a reason why Madara is Kabutos trump card and not Hashirama!!!xd
There is a reason why he is owning the five kages with ease!! It means he could easily do the same with the first hokage if he wanted too!!!!!:worshippy:
Don´t ever compare those too, we know damn well that Madara is the strongest!! Kabuto said he surpassed the so6p so stop with these useless threads!!!!:flaw:
Same thing dude, Madara has become my favorite Uchiha, probably on par with Sasuke right now as my favorite character. He is a legendary badass ninja for a reason :drive:
Well its because they were equals so if they continued the fight both will be exhausted and die out of chakra, so Madara got his DNA and played the acted like he was losing so he could escape and surpass Hashirama later.
This is the best explanation.
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do you think he would if it happened? not likely
Look at sasuke in part 1 when he knew naruto was stronger than him, he picked a fight with him and couldnt admiit defeat and left the village. Hey thats simular to madara and hasihrama.
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Edo Madara is no longer just an Uchiha, With Senju DNA in Him He is neither Uchiha nor Senju but what the SO6P was as far as clan,What ever Clan name the SO6P founded, before the sons rejected it and founded their own clans.
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ofcouse he is, so is sasuke and every other uchiha that died on purpose when fighting hasihrama because if the uchiha dont have an excuess for their defeat they just go emo.
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Wait the match was a tie, infact Sasuke was beating the crap out of him, till the loser had to take a killer jutsu like Rasengan - soo much for a friendly fight and brotherly love from Naruto
Rasengan being a bit stronger don't mean defeat at all dude, in fact it would have been cancelled out with Sasuke's chidori, and Sasuke being slightly damaged at best.
Sasuke did beat Naruto 4 or 5 times, most notably at the VOTE, end of story.