[Discussion] Rinnegan does NOT = so6p

[NarutoFactoid]

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This is the thread where i started it. I'm pretty sure the "paths of pain" are not the 6 paths of the so6p. A misconception easily accepted.

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

Just saying something isn't something doesn't mean it's not. The Sage of the Six Paths could obviously do a lot more than others who just had the Rinnegan, but that could in fact be what his name refers to. Also, it could be the fact that he could use all six elemental releases.

 

[NOemotions]

They are powers of sage of the six paths, as far i know.

 

[juankimari]

I know you are saying it's NOT the same....but i haven't seen anyone saying the paths of pain are equal to The Sage of six paths and if someone said it is true, they are trolling(100% guaranteed), no one can come even close to the SO6P.

 

[SageoftheSixpath]

Rennigan is just one of the power of So6p

 

[NarutoFactoid]

you have the read the thread i added. theres more dialogue and data.

 

[NarutoFactoid]

Rennigan is just one of the power of So6p

if anyone is gonna know this it might as well be a guy named SageoftheSixpath.

 

[psukkar]

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This is the thread where i started it. I'm pretty sure the "paths of pain" are not the 6 paths of the so6p. A misconception easily accepted.

ofc it isnt,

nagato has the paths aswell,

the rinnegan offers these powers, this much is obious


konan, nagato, tobi all confirm this.

 

[Aze]

Rinnegan is just one power among many powers , that Rikudo Sennin has.

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

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This is the thread where i started it. I'm pretty sure the "paths of pain" are not the 6 paths of the so6p. A misconception easily accepted.

Your theory is based on

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bad translation. Tons of people have made this theory in the past because of this one mistranslation. Somebody once posted a pic of the official translation, and it basically said the same thing as

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.

Which means that the real "six paths" are:

• Animal Path
• Asura Path
• Deva Path
• Human Path
• Naraka Path
• Preta Path

"Sage" in the term "Sage of the Six Paths" refers to the mastery of something. The "Six Paths" is that something that is mastered. For example, one cant master the Uzumaki clan. That doesn't make any sense. But...one can master the Preta Path. Preta Path, as the name indicates, is a "path". There are Six of these Paths and someone that can use them is called a sage.

 

[Aze]

Your theory is based on

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bad translation. Tons of people have made this theory in the past because of this one mistranslation. Somebody once posted a pic of the official translation, and it basically said the same thing as

You must be registered for see links

.

Which means that the real "six paths" are:

• Animal Path
• Asura Path
• Deva Path
• Human Path
• Naraka Path
• Preta Path

"Sage" in the term "Sage of the Six Paths" refers to the mastery of something. The "Six Paths" is that something that is mastered. For example, one cant master the Uzumaki clan. That doesn't make any sense. But...one can master the Preta Path. Preta Path, as the name indicates, is a "path". There are Six of these Paths and someone that can use them is called a sage.

yeah , that's true Rikudo Sennin had extreme mastery over these paths

+ rep.

Also the word "Sage might" imply , that he was somehow related to the Sage arts.

or in short term : a Man who used sage arts and had extreme mastery of the six paths.​

 

[Altair2309]

Your theory is based on

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bad translation. Tons of people have made this theory in the past because of this one mistranslation. Somebody once posted a pic of the official translation, and it basically said the same thing as

You must be registered for see links

.

Which means that the real "six paths" are:

• Animal Path
• Asura Path
• Deva Path
• Human Path
• Naraka Path
• Preta Path

"Sage" in the term "Sage of the Six Paths" refers to the mastery of something. The "Six Paths" is that something that is mastered. For example, one cant master the Uzumaki clan. That doesn't make any sense. But...one can master the Preta Path. Preta Path, as the name indicates, is a "path". There are Six of these Paths and someone that can use them is called a sage.

Wow, nicely done, case closed, +rep

 

[Sn0rkack]

I don't know what to think anymore. All I know is I lost some respect for Kishi the moment Madara just broke them eyes out like it was nothing and absorbed a god-damn Rasenshuriken like it was nothing.

 

[NarutoFactoid]

Your theory is based on

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bad translation. Tons of people have made this theory in the past because of this one mistranslation. Somebody once posted a pic of the official translation, and it basically said the same thing as

You must be registered for see links

.

Which means that the real "six paths" are:

• Animal Path
• Asura Path
• Deva Path
• Human Path
• Naraka Path
• Preta Path

"Sage" in the term "Sage of the Six Paths" refers to the mastery of something. The "Six Paths" is that something that is mastered. For example, one cant master the Uzumaki clan. That doesn't make any sense. But...one can master the Preta Path. Preta Path, as the name indicates, is a "path". There are Six of these Paths and someone that can use them is called a sage.

Just to clarify.

The explination for "mastering something" has nothing to do with my points about what the 6th paths could be. Being of the uzumaki clan was just my tag to it being linked with the so6p powers. That is according to the translations i used.

Chapter 510 page 16. Is supported by Ch.510 page 12. Where he says "two of the six paths are now one being".

Which would make the translation on page 16 make sense.

Does the other page have a mistranslation also? because i can continue to argue if it doesn't.

 

[NarutoFactoid]

i see it now. page 12 of that link. ch510 p12. "i am the only one who can be the second so6p". That doesn't make sense written in english. but it supports the comment later on page 16. "you were the third so6p"

So i only have two questions now. What makes this source more credible? and how are we getting different copies exactly.

 

[Aze]

Just to clarify.

The explination for "mastering something" has nothing to do with my points about what the 6th paths could be. Being of the uzumaki clan was just my tag to it being linked with the so6p powers. That is according to the translations i used.

Chapter 510 page 16. Is supported by Ch.510 page 12. Where he says "two of the six paths are now one being".

Which would make the translation on page 16 make sense.

Does the other page have a mistranslation also? because i can continue to argue if it doesn't.

Well Rinnegan actualy has many distinctive jutsu.

And by terminology and definition = 7 paths.


Animal Path
Asura Path
Banshō Ten'in
Chakra Chains = Performed by Tobi.
Chibaku Tensei
Creation of All Things
Deva Path
Human Path
Meteorite Technique = Performed by Madara Uchiha.
Naraka Path
Outer Path
Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique = Rinne Tensei = the seventh path.

Preta Path
Shinra Tensei
Six Paths of Pain = the 6 bodys with linked vision jutsu / all sharing different paths.


So now the question comes.

Are the 6 paths related to the Rinnegan or some other traits?


Maybe these 6 paths where somekind of paths for enlightment , that the sage accomplished.

Since the Sage was a Priest , and maybe he took some holy challange to walk on these 6 phylosophical paths and find enlighment or something.

Similar to the buddhist views , also Sage had a buddhist staff.


Maybe Kishimoto based Rikudo Sennin of a figure called Buddha?

Since the 6 paths of pain are derived from buddhism I think.

has something to do with enlightment or something.

But currently i'm supporting the Rinnegan Relation.


Since the Sage was the first person to awaken/achieve these eyes = Rinnegan.


So people took a notice from it and this is how he got this name = And also most likely the name changed during these hundreds if not thousand of years.


So the Original name could have been : "A man/God of the six paths" or something.


Hope it helped^^


:scorps:​

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

i see it now. page 12 of that link. ch510 p12. "i am the only one who can be the second so6p". That doesn't make sense written in english. but it supports the comment later on page 16. "you were the third so6p"

So i only have two questions now. What makes this source more credible? and how are we getting different copies exactly.

The translations here at the Base are translated as quickly as possible, by fans (so we can read the manga as quickly as possible). Fast is good(better), but the drawback is that a lot of translation errors are made by rushing that process. And thats how that error occurred.

The other translation is one that usually comes out later and more time was taken to translate it. Which in turn reduces the number of those sort of mistakes. Which makes that translation a little bit more reliable...but not 100% since it is also translated by fans.

And then theres the viz translation that only comes out after two weeks. And it too is even more accurate...but still not 100%.

The official translation is a physical copy in English you can buy in some countries. And thats as close as one can get to 100% accurate. And like I said before, the official translation doesn't support this theory at all.

 

[NarutoFactoid]

the official translation doesn't support this theory at all.

no it doesn't. but it does make nagato/madara/tobi seem like incomplete so6p. so weak in comparison if the rinnegan is the only requirment to being a so6p.

it also makes me beleive tobis plan more. that moon's eye is what he truly intends to do.

but what of edo madaras intentions/needs.

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

no it doesn't. but it does make nagato/madara/tobi seem like incomplete so6p. so weak in comparison if the rinnegan is the only requirment to being a so6p.

it also makes me beleive tobis plan more. that moon's eye is what he truly intends to do.

but what of edo madaras intentions/needs.

There's differences between being "a Sage" and "The Sage" of the six paths. This is only my opinion, of course...but its based on facts. To be "a Sage" you only need the Rinnegan and the six paths that comes with it. But! to be just like "The Sage" (the original legend) you need the following:

• The Sage's Eyes (Rinnegan; or at the very least the potential)
• The Sage's Powerful Chakra
• The Sage's Spiritual Energy (Yin chakra/release)
• The Sage's Body
• The Sage's Life Force (also translated as Powerful Will and sometimes stamina)
• The Sage's Physical Energy (Yang chakra/release)

And these Six attributes were inherited by the SO6P's two sons. The Elder son inherited, genetically, the first three attributes in this list. And his Younger brother inherited the last three attributes of the original SO6P. Combining the relevant genes of the Older and Younger sons into one person creates a being with all six attributes and a predisposition to become like the SO6P (with respect to his power/techniques). The Uchiha and the Senju are direct decedents of the Older and Younger sons of the SO6P, respectively. Which is why characters in the Manga are so obsessed with combining the power of the Uchiha and Senju.

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Oh yes...and the moons eye plan. I also believe that Tobi truly wants to complete the Moons eye plan. But I think that it was originally Madara's plan and Tobi "hijacked" Madara's ambitions. If Tobi truly planned on resurrecting Madara using Nagato's Outer path then he would have done so long ago...since he had plenty of time to do that. But instead he opted not to include Madara and continued on with the MEP. The real Madara seems to be aware of Tobi's deviation from the original plan, but still seems confident that the world will eventually be trapped by Mugen Tsukuyomi.

I've speculated that "Mugen Tsukuyomi" is a Rinnegan genjutsu and that the SO6P used it on the Juubi before he sealed it within himself.

 

[NarutoFactoid]

There's differences between being "a Sage" and "The Sage" of the six paths. This is only my opinion, of course. To be "a Sage" you only need the Rinnegan and the six paths that comes with it. But! to be just like "The Sage" (the original legend) you need the following:

• The Sage's Eyes (Rinnegan; or at the very least the potential)
• The Sage's Powerful Chakra
• The Sage's Spiritual Energy (Yin chakra/release)
• The Sage's Body
• The Sage's Life Force (also translated as Powerful Will and sometimes stamina)
• The Sage's Physical Energy (Yang chakra/release)

In a way you've sort of reconstructed tobis plan for me. We can fill in some thing on that list though.

The Sage's Eyes (Rinnegan; or at the very least the potential)
The Sage's Powerful Chakra (the 10 tails)
The Sage's Spiritual Energy (Yin chakra/release)
The Sage's Body (edo madara. the body that was planned to be resurrected. to combine both tobi and "edo madara")
The Sage's Life Force (also translated as Powerful Will and sometimes stamina)
The Sage's Physical Energy (Yang chakra/release)

you've got 6 there for 6 paths. but are we sure spiritual energy is different from life force. i thought the yin/release chakra was for those powers described in your life force explination. the life force powers of the senju as yin.