Rinnegan clarification thread

[Mikeuhsomething36]

So we all know basic rinnegan abilities right? The ability to see chakra points,after all 5 elemental ninjutsu (and yin-yang) leading to the potential to master the sub jutsu as well. Control and summon the demonic statue of the outer path, use the six path techniques, create chakra rods, see through otherwise invisible barriers, etc etc. But as strong as the rinnegan is only the original owner can use it's full abilities, there are also abilities exclusive to a rinnegan user.

HagoromoDual variant) supposedly can use any technique that isn't exclusive to the rinne sharnningan

MadaraDual Variant) besides standard rinnegan technique his exclusive is limbo:border jail technique. His rinnegan was acquires via mixing indra and ashura's chakra's together to make hagoromo's chakra unlike hagoromo who was born with it.madara's use of the rinnegan surpasses pein in terms of raw power as only the original user can use the eye to it's fullest power and peun didn't have the full power of nagato and pein destroyed all of konoha so you can imagine how strong madara (non juubi Jin alive) can use it.

SasukeSingle variant) Specialties of Sasuke's rinnegan is that it retains his sharnningan abilities but they seem to be enhanced when used through his rinnegan such as being able to turn sharnningan:jutsu to rinnegan:genjutsu. Being able to still cast ameterasu with the flames being seemingly thicker and amenojikara. Unlike other rinnegan users sasuke's use duffers. Such as coreless CT, and being able to utilize preta and still being able to use ninjutsu, his use of other paths may also differ if those two paths differ such as sasuke's use of the king of hell, the human path, Asura path, and animal path would differ greatly as well but it has yet to be seenm it could also see otherwise invisible barriers.

Albeit Sasuke's Tomoe rinnegan is only one, it possesses power equal to if not greater than the dual variant, attributable to kaguya's rinne sharnningan which only has one variant as well. Sasuke acquired it by obtaining hagoromo's chakra (yin). Contrary to fan fiction it was not due to hagoromo's cells, nor did sasuke receive it, kabuti merely used his knowledge on it to help repair sasuke's heart. Indra's and ashura's chakra equates to hagoromo's chakra, sasuke received hagoromo's chakra directly so he still fell under the rinnegan rule. With the power of indra also being of influence that could influence the Tomoe part of sasuke's rinnegan. Sasuke's use would surpass madara's (non juubi Jin) as sasuke has hagoromo's chakra directly while madara just has a fraction of it. Juubi Jin madara feats are not count able since Sasuke did nor have chakra that beats a juubi Jin on madara'slevel anyway.

This is just a thread on rinnegan users tell me what you think. Original rinnegan users btw

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

Nice thread

 

[VongolaX]

So we all know basic rinnegan abilities right? The ability to see chakra points,after all 5 elemental ninjutsu (and yin-yang) leading to the potential to master the sub jutsu as well. Control and summon the demonic statue of the outer path, use the six path techniques, create chakra rods, see through otherwise invisible barriers, etc etc. But as strong as the rinnegan is only the original owner can use it's full abilities, there are also abilities exclusive to a rinnegan user.

HagoromoDual variant) supposedly can use any technique that isn't exclusive to the rinne sharnningan

MadaraDual Variant) besides standard rinnegan technique his exclusive is limbo:border jail technique. His rinnegan was acquires via mixing indra and ashura's chakra's together to make hagoromo's chakra unlike hagoromo who was born with it.madara's use of the rinnegan surpasses pein in terms of raw power as only the original user can use the eye to it's fullest power and peun didn't have the full power of nagato and pein destroyed all of konoha so you can imagine how strong madara (non juubi Jin alive) can use it.

SasukeSingle variant) Specialties of Sasuke's rinnegan is that it retains his sharnningan abilities but they seem to be enhanced when used through his rinnegan such as being able to turn sharnningan:jutsu to rinnegan:genjutsu. Being able to still cast ameterasu with the flames being seemingly thicker and amenojikara. Unlike other rinnegan users sasuke's use duffers. Such as coreless CT, and being able to utilize preta and still being able to use ninjutsu, his use of other paths may also differ if those two paths differ such as sasuke's use of the king of hell, the human path, Asura path, and animal path would differ greatly as well but it has yet to be seenm it could also see otherwise invisible barriers.

Albeit Sasuke's Tomoe rinnegan is only one, it possesses power equal to if not greater than the dual variant, attributable to kaguya's rinne sharnningan which only has one variant as well. Sasuke acquired it by obtaining hagoromo's chakra (yin). Contrary to fan fiction it was not due to hagoromo's cells, nor did sasuke receive it, kabuti merely used his knowledge on it to help repair sasuke's heart. Indra's and ashura's chakra equates to hagoromo's chakra, sasuke received hagoromo's chakra directly so he still fell under the rinnegan rule. With the power of indra also being of influence that could influence the Tomoe part of sasuke's rinnegan. Sasuke's use would surpass madara's (non juubi Jin) as sasuke has hagoromo's chakra directly while madara just has a fraction of it. Juubi Jin madara feats are not count able since Sasuke did nor have chakra that beats a juubi Jin on madara'slevel anyway.

This is just a thread on rinnegan users tell me what you think. Original rinnegan users btw

Alright, look at what I put in bold.

It's contradicting here, because what I'm reading here is that you can't get the rinnegan (or rikudou chakra) without both yet Sasuke got his without both.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Alright, look at what I put in bold.

It's contradicting here, because what I'm reading here is that you can't get the rinnegan (or rikudou chakra) without both yet Sasuke got his without both.

It's understandable but to put it in simpler terms, hashirama's chakra and madara's chakra, ashura and indra equate to hagoromo's chakra. But in sasuke's case he didn't mix the two chakras because he got hagoromo's chakra directly. The rule is, that you need jagoromo's chakra directly to acquire his rinnegan or at least his rinnegan. Since only indra acquired such an eye it is presumable that ocular eyes are more yin based than yang based. Sasuke acquired hagoromo's yin, hagoromo's chakra directly while madara had to use two puzzle pieces to make it while sasuke got the entire puzzle. Think of it this way if it took two beings to create a god if you get the two beings you get the god in mafara's case. But if you take a piece of that god directly you still get the god because you didn't need the puzzle piece as you got the main course. Or for example you need ingredients to make a meal right? Madara had the ingredients to make the meal but without the other ingredient he couldn't male the meal (rinnegan) the meal for Sasuke was already made for Sasuke and sasuke just took a bite but he still got the meal right? Not the ingredients as he got the meal itself while Naruto got the other side of the meal. Like Aristotle said "the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts"

 

[VongolaX]

It's understandable but to put it in simpler terms, hashirama's chakra and madara's chakra, ashura and indra equate to hagoromo's chakra. But in sasuke's case he didn't mix the two chakras because he got hagoromo's chakra directly. The rule is, that you need jagoromo's chakra directly to acquire his rinnegan or at least his rinnegan. Since only indra acquired such an eye it is presumable that ocular eyes are more yin based than yang based. Sasuke acquired hagoromo's yin, hagoromo's chakra directly while madara had to use two puzzle pieces to make it while sasuke got the entire puzzle. Think of it this way if it took two beings to create a god if you get the two beings you get the god in mafara's case. But if you take a piece of that god directly you still get the god because you didn't need the puzzle piece as you got the main course. Or for example you need ingredients to make a meal right? Madara had the ingredients to make the meal but without the other ingredient he couldn't male the meal (rinnegan) the meal for Sasuke was already made for Sasuke and sasuke just took a bite but he still got the meal right? Not the ingredients as he got the meal itself while Naruto got the other side of the meal. Like Aristotle said "the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts"

If Sasuke got Hagoromoo's chakra directly without mixing yin and yang, wouldn't that mean Sasuke got both yin (chakra) and yang (chakra) directly from hagoromoo to awaken the rinnegan?

Because Madara recieved both yin and yang to awaken the rinnegan, meaning already being of Indra he already has yin piece but with a yang piece he was able to achieve Hagoromoo's complete chakra to awaken the rinnegan.

You see the point I'm trying to make here?

 

[Ansatsuken]

If Sasuke got Hagoromoo's chakra directly without mixing yin and yang, wouldn't that mean Sasuke got both yin (chakra) and yang (chakra) directly from hagoromoo to awaken the rinnegan?

Because Madara recieved both yin and yang to awaken the rinnegan, meaning already being of Indra he already has yin piece but with a yang piece he was able to achieve Hagoromoo's complete chakra to awaken the rinnegan.

You see the point I'm trying to make here?

Yes Sasuke got Yin ànd Yang chakra from Hagoromo while Naruto only got Yang chakra from Hagoromo but also got Six Path Senjutsu power from Hagoromo

 

[VongolaX]

Yes Sasuke got Yin ànd Yang chakra from Hagoromo while Naruto only got Yang chakra from Hagoromo but also got Six Path Senjutsu power from Hagoromo

Bold: Then that would mean Sasuke has RSM since he has both yin and yang.

I agree that Sasuke got both yin and yang to awaken rikudou chakra.

But to don't give yang chakra to gain even more yang chakra, same with Sasuke only getting yin.
If Sasuke got yin chakra only, he'll like Indra. Rikudou chakra with a sharingan.

Naruto got rikudou senjustu from Hagoromoo, no rikudou chakra.

 

[Floydical]

Rinnegan can't see chakra points, its not the byakugan afterall.

 

[SenseiSama]

I agree with everything except when you said that Sasuke has hagoromoo chalra but madara only has Fraction of it, its the other way around, sasuke only got Hagoromos yin chakra and rinnegan but Madara awakened Hagoromoos chakra by mixing Indra (yin) and Ashura (yang) chakra.

Madara chakra is the same as Hagoromoo as he has both Indra and Ashura

Sasuke is only 50% of Hagoromoos as he has Indra in him and he got 50% from Hagormoo which was yin, something he already had.

Btw how do i use a avatar and a signature???

No, Madara only has Indra's Yin, Sasuke has Indra's Yin in addition to Hagoromo's chakra hence why he has 6T Rinnegan. His dojutsu is superior to Madara's and Naruto's Senjutsu is superior to Madara's. Naruto + Sasuke > JJ Madara

 

[Ansatsuken]

Bold: Then that would mean Sasuke has RSM since he has both yin and yang.

I agree that Sasuke got both yin and yang to awaken rikudou chakra.

But to don't give yang chakra to gain even more yang chakra, same with Sasuke only getting yin.
If Sasuke got yin chakra only, he'll like Indra. Rikudou chakra with a sharingan.

Naruto got rikudou senjustu from Hagoromoo, no rikudou chakra.

Its very tricky to think about.

Take JJ Madara and we divide him

Sasuke got His eye power aka Rinnegan

And

Naruto got His body power aka Juubi Senjutsu power.

Madara without Rinnegan if he absorb Juubi, he will not get Rinnegan eyes.

But he will get Six Path Senjutsu only, same as Naruto. What Hagoromo gave him is his body Senjutsu power and Yang seal.

Sasuke got Hagoromo eyes power.

I think Hagoromo eyes power was not Full Six Path power. This Six Path power only gave you Rinnegan but not Six Path Senjutsu power.

Because of that when Madara awaken the Rinnegan(Hagoromo Six Path chakra), Six Path Senjutsu power is still missing from his body.

Thats mean what Hagoromo passed down to Indra and Ashura just basic or watered down Six Path power.

To sum it up. Sasuke got Hagoromo Six Path eye power and Naruto got Hagoromo Six Path Senjutsu power(Hagoromo body power ).

Ashura body power is watered down Hagoromo body power same as Indra eye power is watered down Hagoromo eyes power.

Watered down body power=No Six Path Senjutsu power. Only strong body and high chakra.

Watered down eye power=No Six Path eye aka Rinnegan. Only MS and strong chakra.

But Hagoromo has set it up, if both of this chakra is merge together, it will awaken Rinnegan eyes only.

plus Senjutsu chakra cant be inherited.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Its very tricky to think about.

Take JJ Madara and we divide him

Sasuke got His eye power aka Rinnegan

And

Naruto got His body power aka Juubi Senjutsu power.

Madara without Rinnegan if he absorb Juubi, he will not get Rinnegan eyes.

But he will get Six Path Senjutsu only, same as Naruto. What Hagoromo gave him is his body Senjutsu power and Yang seal.

Sasuke got Hagoromo eyes power.

I think Hagoromo eyes power was not Full Six Path power. This Six Path power only gave you Rinnegan but not Six Path Senjutsu power.

Because of that when Madara awaken the Rinnegan(Hagoromo Six Path chakra), Six Path Senjutsu power is still missing from his body.

Thats mean what Hagoromo passed down to Indra and Ashura just basic or watered down Six Path power.

To sum it up. Sasuke got Hagoromo Six Path eye power and Naruto got Hagoromo Six Path Senjutsu power(Hagoromo body power ).

Ashura body power is watered down Hagoromo body power same as Indra eye power is watered down Hagoromo eyes power.

Watered down body power=No Six Path Senjutsu power. Only strong body and high chakra.

Watered down eye power=No Six Path eye aka Rinnegan. Only MS and strong chakra.

But Hagoromo has set it up, if both of this chakra is merge together, it will awaken Rinnegan eyes only.

plus Senjutsu chakra cant be inherited.

Pretty much this, also you can make another analogy, it takes all 9 tailed beast to make the juubi right? But the juubi itself is stronger than the nine beast individually, "the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts", therefore Hagoromo's chakra is NOT Indra's chakra nor is it Ashura's. You are right, they are watered down versions of hagoromo's power and chakra, otherwise all Indra descendents would have six paths chakra and all ashura descendents would have senjutsu. It's odd to make the argument that Naruto hasRikoudo senjutsu yet to say Sasuke couldn't gain rinnegan due to Rikoudo chakra. Otherwise Hashirama by their logic should have RM, which he doesn't. Hagoromo's chakra does not equate to Indra or Ashura's chakra individually, Indra+Ashura merely equates to Hagoromo's chakra as they make up for the other's weakness. Albeit not completely as Madara still didn't have RM just by having Ashura's chakra (Hashirama) Nor could he use his MS techs (implying he had any, Susano doesn't count as it's just a spiritual manifestation of the user's spirit hence why a susano user with a massive amount of experience could use it without their MS active.) So Madara's Rinnegan by definition is inferior to Sasuke's and His Physical Abilities are Inferior to Naruto's. With Sasuke's rinnegan being greater than Hagoromo's (As his rinnegan is Hagoromo's yin chakra AND Indra's chakra mixed together) and Naruto's RM is greater than Hagoromo (since it's Hagoromo's Yang and Ashura's chakra influence) but naruto and sasuke are only experienced in those area as if they fought Hagoromo at full power they would put up a fight but be beaten ultimately as Hagoromo still has YIN+YANG but if Naruto and Sasuke were fused (DBZ style) it'd be greater than hagoromo as it'd be (Indra+Ashura+Yin-Yang Hagoromo) by that logic.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Its very tricky to think about.

Take JJ Madara and we divide him

Sasuke got His eye power aka Rinnegan

And

Naruto got His body power aka Juubi Senjutsu power.

Madara without Rinnegan if he absorb Juubi, he will not get Rinnegan eyes.

But he will get Six Path Senjutsu only, same as Naruto. What Hagoromo gave him is his body Senjutsu power and Yang seal.

Sasuke got Hagoromo eyes power.

I think Hagoromo eyes power was not Full Six Path power. This Six Path power only gave you Rinnegan but not Six Path Senjutsu power.

Because of that when Madara awaken the Rinnegan(Hagoromo Six Path chakra), Six Path Senjutsu power is still missing from his body.

Thats mean what Hagoromo passed down to Indra and Ashura just basic or watered down Six Path power.

To sum it up. Sasuke got Hagoromo Six Path eye power and Naruto got Hagoromo Six Path Senjutsu power(Hagoromo body power ).

Ashura body power is watered down Hagoromo body power same as Indra eye power is watered down Hagoromo eyes power.

Watered down body power=No Six Path Senjutsu power. Only strong body and high chakra.

Watered down eye power=No Six Path eye aka Rinnegan. Only MS and strong chakra.

But Hagoromo has set it up, if both of this chakra is merge together, it will awaken Rinnegan eyes only.

plus Senjutsu chakra cant be inherited.

Pretty much this, also you can make another analogy, it takes all 9 tailed beast to make the juubi right? But the juubi itself is stronger than the nine beast individually, "the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts", therefore Hagoromo's chakra is NOT Indra's chakra nor is it Ashura's. You are right, they are watered down versions of hagoromo's power and chakra, otherwise all Indra descendents would have six paths chakra and all ashura descendents would have senjutsu. It's odd to make the argument that Naruto hasRikoudo senjutsu yet to say Sasuke couldn't gain rinnegan due to Rikoudo chakra. Otherwise Hashirama by their logic should have RM, which he doesn't. Hagoromo's chakra does not equate to Indra or Ashura's chakra individually, Indra+Ashura merely equates to Hagoromo's chakra as they make up for the other's weakness. Albeit not completely as Madara still didn't have RM just by having Ashura's chakra (Hashirama) Nor could he use his MS techs (implying he had any, Susano doesn't count as it's just a spiritual manifestation of the user's spirit hence why a susano user with a massive amount of experience could use it without their MS active.) So Madara's Rinnegan by definition is inferior to Sasuke's and His Physical Abilities are Inferior to Naruto's. With Sasuke's rinnegan being greater than Hagoromo's (As his rinnegan is Hagoromo's yin chakra AND Indra's chakra mixed together) and Naruto's RM is greater than Hagoromo (since it's Hagoromo's Yang and Ashura's chakra influence) but naruto and sasuke are only experienced in those area as if they fought Hagoromo at full power they would put up a fight but be beaten ultimately as Hagoromo still has YIN+YANG but if Naruto and Sasuke were fused (DBZ style) it'd be greater than hagoromo as it'd be (Indra+Ashura+Yin-Yang Hagoromo) by that logic.

 

[00Rinne]

Is the dragon soul stealer that nagato used on the rain shinibi only his jutsu with the rinnegan or can anyone of them use it, because we do see sasuke or madara use it. And if it is only nagato's then that jutsu to me outranks madara's hengoku and sasuke's ameno, all it has to do is nic you and it takes your soul.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

I agree with everything except when you said that Sasuke has hagoromoo chalra but madara only has Fraction of it, its the other way around, sasuke only got Hagoromos yin chakra and rinnegan but Madara awakened Hagoromoos chakra by mixing Indra (yin) and Ashura (yang) chakra.

Madara chakra is the same as Hagoromoo as he has both Indra and Ashura

Sasuke is only 50% of Hagoromoos as he has Indra in him and he got 50% from Hagormoo which was yin, something he already had.

Btw how do i use a avatar and a signature???

Sorry but this was post was horrible.

Madara has a diluted Indra Chakra (he was born with) then recieved a PIECE of diluted Ashura Chakra from Hashirama. This is no where near the full chakra of Hagoromo.
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As apposed to Sasuke who was born with diluted Indra Chakra, then recieved ONE HALF of Hagoromos Chakra. It's obviously who truly has power close to the Sage. Let's also not forget what the nine tails said about Sasuke.

 

[VongolaX]

Its very tricky to think about.

Take JJ Madara and we divide him

Sasuke got His eye power aka Rinnegan

And

Naruto got His body power aka Juubi Senjutsu power.

Madara without Rinnegan if he absorb Juubi, he will not get Rinnegan eyes.

But he will get Six Path Senjutsu only, same as Naruto. What Hagoromo gave him is his body Senjutsu power and Yang seal.

Sasuke got Hagoromo eyes power.

I think Hagoromo eyes power was not Full Six Path power. This Six Path power only gave you Rinnegan but not Six Path Senjutsu power.

Because of that when Madara awaken the Rinnegan(Hagoromo Six Path chakra), Six Path Senjutsu power is still missing from his body.

Thats mean what Hagoromo passed down to Indra and Ashura just basic or watered down Six Path power.

To sum it up. Sasuke got Hagoromo Six Path eye power and Naruto got Hagoromo Six Path Senjutsu power(Hagoromo body power ).

Ashura body power is watered down Hagoromo body power same as Indra eye power is watered down Hagoromo eyes power.

Watered down body power=No Six Path Senjutsu power. Only strong body and high chakra.

Watered down eye power=No Six Path eye aka Rinnegan. Only MS and strong chakra.

But Hagoromo has set it up, if both of this chakra is merge together, it will awaken Rinnegan eyes only.

plus Senjutsu chakra cant be inherited.

Well you're right, rikudou Senjustu natural doesn't get inherited but it blossoms.

You need to remember that before becoming the juubi jinchuuriki both Hagaormoo and Haruma had senjustu when they fought the juubi.

Indra had both yin yang Hagoromoo chakra:

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While Ashura blossomed sagemode because he had the body for it:

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As you can see, Hagoromoo said he divided the juubi after Ashura blossomed.

The same way Ashura got rikudou sagemode is the same way Hagoromoo and Haruma got their sagemode.

•So Indra natural inherited rikudou chakra (yin and yang) with only a sharingan/ms.
(Similar to DMS Kakashi)

•And Ashura gained/blossomed rikudou senjustu through some unorthodox means no bijuus/juubi chakra.
(Similar to Haruma)

When you divide Hagoromoo chakra to yin only and yang only, it becomes Indra/Uchiha (yin) or Ashura/Senju (yang).

As the lineage goes down, you can only inherit/gain from your predecessor.

Indra can only inherit rikudou chakra with no mix up
Madara can only inherit Indra chakra and will have to mix Ashura's to get rikudou chakra.

With that being said, If Sasuke got rikudou chakra as a whole...
That will be understandable because the Yin appears dominant.
(Yin+Yin and Yang)
But if he just got only yin chakra from the sage, then that's just more Indra chakra.
(Yin+Yin= Even more sharingan and no rikudou chakra which consist of yin and yang)z