Rinnegan Capabilities Regarding KKG

[BlazeRelease]

Has it been stated whether or not the Rinnegan can utilize elements other than the standard 5? We know that you can use all 5, in addition to yin, yang, and yin-yang, but what about the combination of chakra natures?

Take into consideration Kaguya showed the ability to manipulate non-basic elements (though from what source of power? she IS the god fruit bearer and an ootsutsuki, but what exactly allowed her the ability? Was it maybe her Rinne-Sharingan? and if so, Is sasukes similar enough to harbor that power? we know his is stronger than what Madara or Nagato had.)

I think it is logical for it to be able to use any nature, but since it has not been stated (as far as i know) what do others think?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

1. Kaguya's sharingan is nothing like Sasuke's rinnegan. Kaguya mastered 5 basic elements too.
2. Rinnegan grants you mastery of all 5 basic element and yin yang release the kekkai genkai
3. His rinnegan is neither stronger or weaker than madara's but Nagato having it the longest showed better feats.

 

[SenseiSama]

It's pretty simply, Rinnegan doesn't have copy jutsu but the user has the talent to learn and invent any jutsu. If they're intelligent enough like Sasuke they should be able to develop Preta or invent an ability that allows them to absorb abilities like Rogue in X-Men.

 

[Joon]

According to the 4th Databook, Kaguya's Doujutsu and abilities, Hagoromo's Doujutsu Rinnegan, and Hamaru's Doujutsu Byakugan are labeled as Kekkei Mōra while everyone else such as Sasuke and Madara is labeled as Kekkei Genkai.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Rinnegan abilities tend to very with the user
and the Rinnegan power level tends to very as well

then we have consumed Rinnegans which are red and Inherited Rinnegans which are lavender grey


it also counts with the overall chakra level you have that distinguishes Kekkei Mōra from Kekkei Genkai

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Rinnegan abilities tend to very with the user
and the Rinnegan power level tends to very as well

then we have consumed Rinnegans which are red and Inherited Rinnegans which are lavender grey


it also counts with the overall chakra level you have that distinguishes Kekkei Mōra from Kekkei Genkai

logic

 

[Ansatsuken]

Maybe it can uses basic elements on basic level and not on KKG(Mokuton) or KKT(Jinton) level. Like Edo Hiruzen against Buddha.

 

[BlazeRelease]

1. Kaguya's sharingan is nothing like Sasuke's rinnegan. Kaguya mastered 5 basic elements too.
2. Rinnegan grants you mastery of all 5 basic element and yin yang release the kekkai genkai
3. His rinnegan is neither stronger or weaker than madara's but Nagato having it the longest showed better feats.

1. Kaguyas "sharingan" shares some similarities with sasukes, being that A. they are not standard evolutions of dojutsu, and B. They both possess unique traits of being able to traverse Kaguyas dimensions, something nobody else in the series can do except Obito by using Kamui on one of Kaguyas portals.

Add into that they share a similar appearance, no other Rinnegan has Tomoe.

2. I am aware of that much, i was just pondering the possibility that it might allow a user to use advanced elements, and just thought maybe sasuke could since his seems to be one step up from Rinnegan, and one step down From Kaguyas.

3. Sasuke does have a stronger Rinnegan. I don't mean the moves a stronger, i mean it has access to more abilities. Sasuke can use Amenotejikara, and can access other dimensions upon mastery. He can also draw in the tailed beasts chakra instantly, something Nagatos Rinnegan could not do on its own, seeing as Nagato had to take days doing them one by one using that 9 seal Jutsu or whatever. Sasukes Chibaku Tensei also was able to use the targets as Gravity cores, making the attack absolutely inescapable without teleportation. (why he didn't do that to naruto, i will never know.)

The only advantage Madara had was Limbo. Sasuke had much more useful properties to his.

Anyways, my only point was to see what others thought of the "possibility" Rinnegan might provide the ability to use advanced chakra natures. Kaguyas can, but others have not shown.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Rinnegan can utilize yin-yang element.

 

[Edogawa]

1. Kaguyas "sharingan" shares some similarities with sasukes, being that A. they are not standard evolutions of dojutsu, and B. They both possess unique traits of being able to traverse Kaguyas dimensions, something nobody else in the series can do except Obito by using Kamui on one of Kaguyas portals.

This does not prove it's stronger than standard Rinnegan. Kaguya's third eye is stated to be Rinne-Sharingan, not Rinnegan or Sharingan but combination of both, but it does not possess Rinne powers Nagato/Madara displayed or MS. Sasuke's eye is stated to be just Rinnegan. That's it. No theory is needed.

2. I am aware of that much, i was just pondering the possibility that it might allow a user to use advanced elements, and just thought maybe sasuke could since his seems to be one step up from Rinnegan, and one step down From Kaguyas.

The only advanced elements one can argue for are non-genetic KKG, which can be taught; such as Jinton and Lava Release as examples.

3. Sasuke does have a stronger Rinnegan. I don't mean the moves a stronger, i mean it has access to more abilities. Sasuke can use Amenotejikara, and can access other dimensions upon mastery. He can also draw in the tailed beasts chakra instantly, something Nagatos Rinnegan could not do on its own, seeing as Nagato had to take days doing them one by one using that 9 seal Jutsu or whatever. Sasukes Chibaku Tensei also was able to use the targets as Gravity cores, making the attack absolutely inescapable without teleportation. (why he didn't do that to naruto, i will never know.)

None of this proves anything. Nagato took days because he sealed the actual Biju into the Mazo. Sasuke merely took a small piece of Biju's Chakra and incorporated to his Susanoo, which he could maintain for very short period of time. Turning things into CT core isn't unique to his Rinnegan either, since other users can do the same thing in theory. And the fact you brought up Naruto as an example proves this.

The only advantage Madara had was Limbo. Sasuke had much more useful properties to his.

Like what? Sasuke just has teleportation and maintains his existing MS powers. Limbo is far more resourceful as a technique, and Madara in addition can use Tengai Shensie. Nagato could use the Six Paths of Pain which are all better than Sasuke's Rinne techniques in my opinion. You can argue Sasuke's Rinnegan is better because he could use his Mangekyou powers with it, but nothing implies it's stronger by feats or hype.

 

[Edogawa]

The only KKGs Rinnegan users can use are those which can be taught and not inherited by blood are Lava Release, Dust Release, Wood Release etc.

 

[SenseiSama]

1. Kaguya's sharingan is nothing like Sasuke's rinnegan. Kaguya mastered 5 basic elements too.
2. Rinnegan grants you mastery of all 5 basic element and yin yang release the kekkai genkai
3. His rinnegan is neither stronger or weaker than madara's but Nagato having it the longest showed better feats.

1 and 2 are right but 3 is wrong, Sasuke's Rinnegan is clearly more advanced than the basic one Hagoromo wielded because it also has Sharingan powers.

If plot allowed it a Rinnegan user could simply make up a jutsu that allows him to absorb/copy abilities because it's been confirmed multiple times there's no limit to what techniques the user can master.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

1 and 2 are right but 3 is wrong, Sasuke's Rinnegan is clearly more advanced than the basic one Hagoromo wielded because it also has Sharingan powers.

If plot allowed it a Rinnegan user could simply make up a jutsu that allows him to absorb/copy abilities because it's been confirmed multiple times there's no limit to what techniques the user can master.

Are talking about the forehead eye? That isnt the rinnegan tho.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

1. Kaguyas "sharingan" shares some similarities with sasukes, being that A. they are not standard evolutions of dojutsu, and B. They both possess unique traits of being able to traverse Kaguyas dimensions, something nobody else in the series can do except Obito by using Kamui on one of Kaguyas portals.

Momoshiki and Kinishiki can do the same thing and yet momoshiki’s doujutsu looks nothing alike kaguay’s Sharingan or sasuke’s Rinnegan. Just because they appear different doesn’t mean it has anything different from what it is. Sasuke’s rinnegan functions like any other rinnegan, even momoshiki’s red looking rinnegan acts exactly the same.

Add into that they share a similar appearance, no other Rinnegan has Tomoe.

That doesn’t mean anything. It’s just a different design.

2. I am aware of that much, i was just pondering the possibility that it might allow a user to use advanced elements, and just thought maybe sasuke could since his seems to be one step up from Rinnegan, and one step down From Kaguyas.

Sasuke is not one step up from a rinnegan, it’s just a rinnegan. He even calls it that himself and it’s a completely different doujutsu from kaguay’s sharingan. Even in the databook they said kaguya’s sharingan was closer to Obito’s if anything.

3. Sasuke does have a stronger Rinnegan. I don't mean the moves a stronger, i mean it has access to more abilities. Sasuke can use Amenotejikara, and can access other dimensions upon mastery. He can also draw in the tailed beasts chakra instantly, something Nagatos Rinnegan could not do on its own, seeing as Nagato had to take days doing them one by one using that 9 seal Jutsu or whatever. Sasukes Chibaku Tensei also was able to use the targets as Gravity cores, making the attack absolutely inescapable without teleportation. (why he didn't do that to naruto, i will never know.)

The more you keep calling sasuke’s Doujutsu another thing than it really is, the more you’ll confuse yourself. How come you keep saying that Sasuke is wrong about his doujutsu? He said that he himself has a rinnegan and you’re here saying that it’s something different?
If Sasuke did not have a rinnegan, then he will not be able to use chibaku tensei because Kaguya’s sharingan can’t use it and neither does her byukagan.

Madara gathered the bijus fastester than Sasuke and more of them too. And as Sasuke’s abilities are amenotejakra, madara’s own is limbo hengoku. Each rinnegan users have their own powers. It varies user to user. Like pain and all his jutsus.

The only advantage Madara had was Limbo. Sasuke had much more useful properties to his.

Anyways, my only point was to see what others thought of the "possibility" Rinnegan might provide the ability to use advanced chakra natures. Kaguyas can, but others have not shown.

First part is subjective

Second part, kaguay’s able to use other chakra nature because of her kekkai mora. Doujutsu have little to do with her chakra as an entirety.

 

[BlazeRelease]

Are you saying you think that each Rinnegan comes with unique abilities based on what you have observed (but has not been stated), And also saying that despite the fact Sasuke has shown different abilities with a different looking dojutsu, it is the same?

It looks different, It has a different ability, but has the "same name". That is fair, but nonetheless, we can see that it is different. It is called "rinnegan", but it functions slightly different from standard.

You also did not mention the fact that only sasuke can access Kaguyas dimensions. Madara cannot. Why? why would sasukes come with TWO additional abilities?

And Nagatos/Pains 6 paths are not unique to him. all rinnegan can do that. that is confirmed by the same datebook you used against me in your example of Kaguyas power being compared to Obitos. The 6 paths technique is one large technique granting the wielder access to the jutsus in each path. Kurama also stated sasuke could do things even though we didn't see him do them.

As for why Sasuke and Madara did not utilize all of their paths, who knows.

And what makes you think Madara captured the beats faster? he had to fight them and catch them to suck them in. Sasuke instantly put them inside of pseudo planets without doing anything else but an instant genjutsu. It was like 5 seconds and they were totaled.

Anyways, even if Sasukes "Rinnegan" is just called a rinnegan, it looks and acts differently as we can clearly see, and is closer to the "third eye" power than the others. It is the only non third eye that can access Kaguyas dimensions (we didn't even see Madara do it WITH his third eye).

 

[BlazeRelease]

As for what a "KK Mora" is, was it ever explained? We only know it is the name of Kaguya, Hagaromos, and Hamuras power.

 

[Ansatsuken]

As for what a "KK Mora" is, was it ever explained? We only know it is the name of Kaguya, Hagaromos, and Hamuras power.

Its unknown what it is. In English it translated as "Bloodline encompassing".

Maybe from Bloodline encompassing power they can manipulate any elements to any effect. And create a specific rule or absolute rule to the effect like Ash Bone for example, no healing Jutsu can counter the effect. You absolutely will die after getting pierce by the bone.