Rinnegan and sharnningan clear up

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Okay so there's been some confusion on what Sasuke can do when it comes to learning techniques such as scorch style or dark style or even magnet release. Well as we know the rinnegan grants the user the ability to use all 6 nature transformations effectively. However, the sharnningan doesn't grant the person the ability to do this, the sharnningan gives the ability to COPY (not including kekkei genkai) other elemental jutsu the reason the sharnningan can't copy other elemental jutsus is because elemental jutsus need two (or more) elements to make them, and by elemntal jutsus i mean advanced ones like storm, lava, magnet, wood releas, etc to make them work. The sharnningan can only copy one thing at a time plus the user is only coping the jutsu not giving the user the elemental attributes of the jutsu, the rinnegan however does give mastery over all 6 types (as seen with nagato who mastered the natures on his first try). However, one must know how to mix the 6 basic elemental ninjutsu together to make the advanced elemental ninjutsu. Sasuke's rinnegan retains sharnningan properties (albeit enhanced) along with rinnegan properties so he should be able to copy advanced ninjutsu BUT only if he has knowledge on how to mix the basic elements.

Now before Naruto fans start arguing against this logic and accept the logic that the sage can do it (which would be illogical on their part because sasuke has half of the sage's power and the yin at that) Sasuke's power stems from his imagination in essence, he can basically do anything he puts his mind to. Naruto's power stems from his surroundings (ironic isn't it?). Sasuke has the POTENTIAL to use all jutsu (that's not kekkei Mora Exclusive) in conclusion. what are your thoughts?

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Keekei Genkai:

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Rinnegan:

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Sharnningan:

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To those that are still unaware of what the rinnegan and sharnningan are capable of and/or their techniques

 

[Gagster]

Nagato didn't master the elements on his first try. He mastered them only after training from Jaraiya.

 

[Narutrol]

Kekkei is to have multiple nature and chakra affrinties

One can only master his own chakra nature

When one can master all natures, it basically mean he has all affinities which is good enough to combine two mastered nature together to form kekkei

 

[Dantee]

Nice thread if there is something I can add...

I think there is another ability that Yin grants and it's the access to the most powerful style of that class. I.e black lightning and enton...

No doubt about it Sasuke will probably utilize all 5 elemental natures to their highest class and mixing them up into deadly combos. Sasukes potential is nearly unlimited.

 

[Gerkak]

This is a typical trait that some sasuke fans have, they assume anyone that disagrees with them is a naruto fan. How funny

Putting that aside, sasuke can't use other KKG because he doesn't have the special chakra properties or the genetics to perform them.

Onnoki has fire, wind and earth and he posses the ability to combine them to create dust release, but even if he can do this he can't create lava release despite having the elements necessary and possessing a KKT.

The only way to use KKG,KKT and KKM is to have the special chakra properties and/or the necessary genes.

 

[ANiMUS]

1st. What is this
sharnningan

2nd. Rinnegan grants all elements and so does Sasuke's. The databook gave him all elements, but light style.
Kekkei genkai are passed down through blood. They aren't something that u can learn. Well, there are ones that u can learn like dust style, but anyway most are blood limit jutsu if i am not mistaken.

Sasuke can't mix multiple elements

Kekkei genkai abilities that work via the user's eye are called dōjutsu. Other kekkei genkai include mixing one type of elemental chakra with another, creating a new one unique to the users, which is usually impossible for normal ninja, or other bodily manipulations that are usually unachievable by normal standards.

 

[3MESSIAH]

i dont think sasuke nor naruto can create KKG or anything....IMO sasuke has 5 elements and that`s it....but who knows

 

[Angelic.]

whats a sharnningan? xD

ill wait for kkg like feats before believing this

 

[iFlowMotion]

The possibilities for sasuke are endless. Just up to kishi how he uses sasuke unique eye and his limitless abilities.

 

[ShadowACS]

not much difference

 

[DeathXVII]

1st. What is this
sharnningan

2nd. Rinnegan grants all elements and so does Sasuke's. The databook gave him all elements, but light style.
Kekkei genkai are passed down through blood. They aren't something that u can learn. Well, there are ones that u can learn like dust style, but anyway most are blood limit jutsu if i am not mistaken.

Sasuke can't mix multiple elements

So you're saying Sasuke can learn Dust Release, the mixture of 3 basic chakra natures(Fire, Wind, Earth). But you're saying he can't mix multipe elements?

 

[Seventh Sama]

When there's a scan that states a rinnegan user can mix elements then i'll believe you.

 

[ANiMUS]

So you're saying Sasuke can learn Dust Release, the mixture of 3 basic chakra natures(Fire, Wind, Earth). But you're saying he can't mix multipe elements?

There are mixtures one can learn, but the majority are limited to blood.

This is taken from the wiki.

It's possible that these techniques are not genetic, as Ōnoki stated that Mū passed the secrets of Dust Release on to him.[1]

If it is a secret then it means that it is something that can be taught. :|

 

[Narutrol]

There are mixtures one can learn, but the majority are limited to blood.

This is taken from the wiki.

If it is a secret then it means that it is something that can be taught. :|

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A scan regarding to the mastery of jutus with rinnegan, it stated "any technique", it does not say any exception nor kkg

I would like to see a scan that put limitation to rinnegan

 

[ANiMUS]

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A scan regarding to the mastery of jutus with rinnegan, it stated "any technique", it does not say any exception nor kkg

I would like to see a scan that put limitation to rinnegan

So6P had RSM :bdpf:

 

[Narutrol]

So6P had RSM :bdpf:

The scan is focusing on rinnegan eye power

 

[ANiMUS]

The scan is focusing on rinnegan eye power

The scan is freaking old and from the mouth of some fodder nin basing his conclusions on lore XD

 

[DeathXVII]

There are mixtures one can learn, but the majority are limited to blood.

This is taken from the wiki.

Give me the link of where you gain that exact information from, so I can find out if it was referenced from the manga.

If it is a secret then it means that it is something that can be taught. :|

Wind+Fire+Earth= Dust. Something you can learn.. It's just mixing 3 different elements.. That's a Kekkei Tota.
Fire+Earth=Lava. Something you can't learn because it's a Kekkei Genkai. It's just mixing 2 different elements.

You know what, I don't even care anymore. If a person can learn a Kekkei Tota, something that's more advanced then a Kekkei Genkai..then fine.

 

[ANiMUS]

Give me the link of where you gain that exact information from, so I can find out if it was referenced from the manga.


Wind+Fire+Earth= Dust. Something you can learn.. It's just mixing 3 different elements.. That's a Kekkei Tota.
Fire+Earth=Lava. Something you can't learn because it's a Kekkei Genkai. It's just mixing 2 different elements.

You know what, I don't even care anymore. If a person can learn a Kekkei Tota, something that's more advanced then a Kekkei Genkai..then fine.

Chapter 525, pages 15-16

It says that Mu( someone who had no relation to Oonoki) taught Oonoki the secrets of Dust release. There are such things as secret jutsu only passed down within the clan. Shadow possession is one of them

 

[Narutrol]

Chapter 525, pages 15-16

It says that Mu( someone who had no relation to Oonoki) taught Oonoki the secrets of Dust release. There are such things as secret jutsu only passed down within the clan. Shadow possession is one of them

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This is truly remarkable of such feats, but it doesn't speak of the power of six path

And we know six path is on a complete different league from this

Kekkei is not above six path. Its the other was we know.

If rinnegan can learn kekkei, its more like a nerfed