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read my theory first so you can understand everything..
lot of people continue to wonder how Pain obtained the bodies of all those shinboi Jiraiya recognized as having fought before. The answer to that question is not as complicated as most make it out to be. The answer was fate. We are dealing with a prophecy that was foretold years ago in this case. Jiraiya was destined to meet Pain in battle and make his decision to never give up (like Naruto) in order to pass on much needed information about how to defeat Pain to Naruto and Fukasaku. No other ninja could have done what Jiraiya did because no other ninja would have recognized the other bodies. It was a necessary piece in solving the puzzle. It was fate that Pain would choose those bodies and fight Jiraiya with them, and it was fate that Jiraiya would recognize them to discover Pain?s secret. That?s really all there is to it. If you have your own thoughts or other questions, please feel free to say what you think.
Let me take you back in time to the start, where our story begins.
Jiraiya, who took on a group of three wandering children from the Rain village, learns about an attack by refugees on his students. He rushes to the scene only to find an unfathomable occurrence.
Jiraiya discovers that one of his three students, Nagato, possesses the rinnegan. This is where...everything begins.... Flash back again to Jiraiya's encounter with Pain. Jiraiya notes how the man in front of him possesses the rinnegan like Nagato, but he cannot reconcile their completely separate personalities. When Jiraiya asks what happened to Yahiko, Pain replies in an awkward way:
Jiraiya just can't understand how someone as innocent and caring as Nagato could grow into someone as cold-hearted as Pain. Now is the point where I offer something extremely interesting that not many have seemed to realize.
here i will point how kishi has tricked his readers
As I've said, it all began with the activation of Nagato's rinnegan. This thread began by pointing out the similarities between the three major dojutsu. Now's the time where I explain an essential difference that I've never heard anyone mention before. And that is this: both the sharingan and the byakugan are abilities that allow the user to deactivate when they see fit. When Sasuke doesn't feel like using the sharingan or when Itachi is getting too tired, Sasuke or Itachi can essentially "turn it off." Similarly, Neji and Hinata Hyuuga can activate or deactivate their byakugans whenever they see fit. But if you've researched the manga pages, as I have in order to write this thread, then you will realize that this is not the case for the rinnegan. So far as we know, you cannot deactivate the rinnegan; once you have it, it?s on for keeps. As far as we know, even if Pain wanted to, he couldn?t rid himself of the rinnegan.
So here we can say that "Kishimoto is a tricky bastard"? Because if you look at every page that features Nagato, you will notice that Kishimoto rarely shows his eyes. Look here:
This page takes place right after Nagato's initial activation of the rinnegan when Jiraiya talks with him. Notice how Kishi covers Nagato's eyes with his hair. Wouldn't it seem suspicious if he still had it activated since the trauma of the situation had died down? Look also at any of the other pages during Jiraiya's discussion with Nagato, and you'll find the same result (pages 7-10). Look at any picture of Nagato, and you?ll see what I?m talking about.
However, if you look at pages where you can clearly see Nagato's eyes, he always has the rinnegan activated:
So then, I suppose the question is "why is this the case?" Why is it that once the rinnegan is activated, the user can't seem to rid himself of it? Basing my reasoning off of fact and research, I have come to the conclusion that the rinnegan has slowly, over time, taken control of Nagato's body. Too many people seem to forget how important this page is:
Nagato says that he blacked out and lost control--that he lost his mind. Nagato didn?t lose his mind. He just gained a new one(s) as a part of the rinnegan. He was in the back seat. The rinnegan was doing the driving. And chances are, it's continued to drive him until this point...until he were driven off the cliff.
As we know, the Sage of the Six Paths was the first known user of the rinnegan. Many years later, Nagato activates the rinnegan. Nagato's activation was a sort of rebirth. It was a "transmigration" of sorts from the Sage of the Six Paths (or whoever had the rinnegan last I suppose) to Nagato. Nagato was reborn. He is now the original host of the rinnegan. But over time, he has become engulfed by it. His personality began to change, as his past lives--such as that of Rikudou Sennin--began to take over or perhaps mold with his own. It's for this reason that I'm skeptical of the idea that Nagato is simply the mastermind behind Pain, a little man hiding in a room somewhere who's actually controlling all 6 bodies. It's actually more likely that Nagato isn't one of the six bodies, but is a part of all 6.
There is a misconception about this idea: Nagato became part of the rinnegan with his rebirth; the rinnegan did not become a part of him. Therefore, even though Nagato is not physically any one of the 6 bodies, he is a part of all 6 of them, since he is an essential part of the rinnegan. The same goes for the Sage of the Six Paths because the rinnegan is a sentient force.
Jiraiya couldn't reconcile Pain's and Nagato's personalities. And we don't have to. What killed Jiriaya wasn't Nagato. It was Pain--a being who has been twisted and contorted by the rinnegan itself. Pain "gr[ew] into a god" because over time, the rinnegan took him over:
read read read my thread
And now you can see where Pain's God complex comes from--the rinnegan. Over time, we can see the transformation. Pain even says it quite clearly during his battle with Jiraiya: "I have evolved." This transformation or "evolving" took place most likely as the rinnegan became a more and more dominant force over Nagato...until it totally controlled him.
So the real question now is...
Pain is all 6 bodies, and not separate individuals. This is clear enough from the way he introduces himself and the way Konan refers to him:
Pain is a single entity, but that entity happens to consist of 6 bodies. The rinnegan provides Pain with a pathway--a link--between the dead and the living. It is the "transmigration eye," after all. The rinnegan also provides Pain with the memories of all of its parts:
Clearly, Pain has the memories of being Jiraiya's student. It seems weird that a multi-bodied being would have memories of his time as an individual, but it actually makes sense. Nagato/Yahiko truly were "past lives" for Pain. But memory of a past life can remain for souls in a new body (bodies).
you see the two candles placed behind the sage. Why did Kishimoto include those random candles in the image? Allow me to quote something interesting from candles are a symbol of the transmigration process. Like the light passed between the candles, Rikudou is a part of the rinnegan and the transmigration process and thus a part of Nagato and Pain.
About the piercings..you could read my another thread about it
opinions are highly appreciated..thanks for reading
and i have a new speculation
Tobi = Naruto
Pein = Chuck Norris..
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lot of people continue to wonder how Pain obtained the bodies of all those shinboi Jiraiya recognized as having fought before. The answer to that question is not as complicated as most make it out to be. The answer was fate. We are dealing with a prophecy that was foretold years ago in this case. Jiraiya was destined to meet Pain in battle and make his decision to never give up (like Naruto) in order to pass on much needed information about how to defeat Pain to Naruto and Fukasaku. No other ninja could have done what Jiraiya did because no other ninja would have recognized the other bodies. It was a necessary piece in solving the puzzle. It was fate that Pain would choose those bodies and fight Jiraiya with them, and it was fate that Jiraiya would recognize them to discover Pain?s secret. That?s really all there is to it. If you have your own thoughts or other questions, please feel free to say what you think.
Let me take you back in time to the start, where our story begins.
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Jiraiya, who took on a group of three wandering children from the Rain village, learns about an attack by refugees on his students. He rushes to the scene only to find an unfathomable occurrence.
You must be registered for see images
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Jiraiya discovers that one of his three students, Nagato, possesses the rinnegan. This is where...everything begins.... Flash back again to Jiraiya's encounter with Pain. Jiraiya notes how the man in front of him possesses the rinnegan like Nagato, but he cannot reconcile their completely separate personalities. When Jiraiya asks what happened to Yahiko, Pain replies in an awkward way:
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Jiraiya just can't understand how someone as innocent and caring as Nagato could grow into someone as cold-hearted as Pain. Now is the point where I offer something extremely interesting that not many have seemed to realize.
here i will point how kishi has tricked his readers
As I've said, it all began with the activation of Nagato's rinnegan. This thread began by pointing out the similarities between the three major dojutsu. Now's the time where I explain an essential difference that I've never heard anyone mention before. And that is this: both the sharingan and the byakugan are abilities that allow the user to deactivate when they see fit. When Sasuke doesn't feel like using the sharingan or when Itachi is getting too tired, Sasuke or Itachi can essentially "turn it off." Similarly, Neji and Hinata Hyuuga can activate or deactivate their byakugans whenever they see fit. But if you've researched the manga pages, as I have in order to write this thread, then you will realize that this is not the case for the rinnegan. So far as we know, you cannot deactivate the rinnegan; once you have it, it?s on for keeps. As far as we know, even if Pain wanted to, he couldn?t rid himself of the rinnegan.
So here we can say that "Kishimoto is a tricky bastard"? Because if you look at every page that features Nagato, you will notice that Kishimoto rarely shows his eyes. Look here:
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This page takes place right after Nagato's initial activation of the rinnegan when Jiraiya talks with him. Notice how Kishi covers Nagato's eyes with his hair. Wouldn't it seem suspicious if he still had it activated since the trauma of the situation had died down? Look also at any of the other pages during Jiraiya's discussion with Nagato, and you'll find the same result (pages 7-10). Look at any picture of Nagato, and you?ll see what I?m talking about.
However, if you look at pages where you can clearly see Nagato's eyes, he always has the rinnegan activated:
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So then, I suppose the question is "why is this the case?" Why is it that once the rinnegan is activated, the user can't seem to rid himself of it? Basing my reasoning off of fact and research, I have come to the conclusion that the rinnegan has slowly, over time, taken control of Nagato's body. Too many people seem to forget how important this page is:
You must be registered for see images
Nagato says that he blacked out and lost control--that he lost his mind. Nagato didn?t lose his mind. He just gained a new one(s) as a part of the rinnegan. He was in the back seat. The rinnegan was doing the driving. And chances are, it's continued to drive him until this point...until he were driven off the cliff.
As we know, the Sage of the Six Paths was the first known user of the rinnegan. Many years later, Nagato activates the rinnegan. Nagato's activation was a sort of rebirth. It was a "transmigration" of sorts from the Sage of the Six Paths (or whoever had the rinnegan last I suppose) to Nagato. Nagato was reborn. He is now the original host of the rinnegan. But over time, he has become engulfed by it. His personality began to change, as his past lives--such as that of Rikudou Sennin--began to take over or perhaps mold with his own. It's for this reason that I'm skeptical of the idea that Nagato is simply the mastermind behind Pain, a little man hiding in a room somewhere who's actually controlling all 6 bodies. It's actually more likely that Nagato isn't one of the six bodies, but is a part of all 6.
There is a misconception about this idea: Nagato became part of the rinnegan with his rebirth; the rinnegan did not become a part of him. Therefore, even though Nagato is not physically any one of the 6 bodies, he is a part of all 6 of them, since he is an essential part of the rinnegan. The same goes for the Sage of the Six Paths because the rinnegan is a sentient force.
Jiraiya couldn't reconcile Pain's and Nagato's personalities. And we don't have to. What killed Jiriaya wasn't Nagato. It was Pain--a being who has been twisted and contorted by the rinnegan itself. Pain "gr[ew] into a god" because over time, the rinnegan took him over:
read read read my thread
You must be registered for see links
And now you can see where Pain's God complex comes from--the rinnegan. Over time, we can see the transformation. Pain even says it quite clearly during his battle with Jiraiya: "I have evolved." This transformation or "evolving" took place most likely as the rinnegan became a more and more dominant force over Nagato...until it totally controlled him.
So the real question now is...
Pain is all 6 bodies, and not separate individuals. This is clear enough from the way he introduces himself and the way Konan refers to him:
You must be registered for see images
You must be registered for see images
You must be registered for see images
Pain is a single entity, but that entity happens to consist of 6 bodies. The rinnegan provides Pain with a pathway--a link--between the dead and the living. It is the "transmigration eye," after all. The rinnegan also provides Pain with the memories of all of its parts:
You must be registered for see images
You must be registered for see images
Clearly, Pain has the memories of being Jiraiya's student. It seems weird that a multi-bodied being would have memories of his time as an individual, but it actually makes sense. Nagato/Yahiko truly were "past lives" for Pain. But memory of a past life can remain for souls in a new body (bodies).
You must be registered for see images
you see the two candles placed behind the sage. Why did Kishimoto include those random candles in the image? Allow me to quote something interesting from candles are a symbol of the transmigration process. Like the light passed between the candles, Rikudou is a part of the rinnegan and the transmigration process and thus a part of Nagato and Pain.
About the piercings..you could read my another thread about it
You must be registered for see links
opinions are highly appreciated..thanks for reading
and i have a new speculation
Tobi = Naruto
Pein = Chuck Norris..
