Rinne Tensei and Juubi amount of chakra [PLEASE ANSWER QUESTIONS :)]

[KCMNaruto]

Hello, I have few questions concerning Rinne Tensei and I would really like to get answers for these questions

1. Could original user of Rinnengan with full mastery over Rinnengan(maybe Madara) use Rinne Tensei with Juubi amount of chakra to ressurect even Sage of Six paths without dying ?
2. Could Rinne Tensei recreate deceased's body from it's ashes after many years passed since his/her deaths ?
3. Could Rinne Tensei heal/recover deceased's body to his/her prime before ressurecting her/him ?
4. Is amount of deceased's bodies and time passed from each death directly proportinal to amount of chakra need to ressurect them ?
5. Could Rinnengan user's life energy be converted to chakra needed to ressurect someone while using Rinne Tensei ?
6. Could Rinne Tensei + Creation of All things let Rinnengan user to recreate someone body and then ressurect him/her ?
7. Why did Sage of six paths die ?, when he was juubi jinchurki he could use Creation of all things to make his body younger or even create himself new younger body and transfer his soul to new body.
8. Could Madara/Obito as juubi jinchurki recreate their bodies(even wihtout remains of ashes), alter them to prime age and then ressurect them, wihout dying ?
9. Is there really time limit to Rinne Tensei or no ?
10. Could Obito use Juubi chakra to ressurect Edo madara without dying ? (however it could weaken juubi a lot, so it could (disappear/disolve ) or simply postponned Moon eye plan)
11. Could Sage chakra have influence on Rinne Tensei jutsu(less amount of chakra needed, more possibilites) or Rinnengan itself ?
12. Can user cast Rinne Tensei or Creation of All things on himself/herself ?

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[TheKBD]

sage probably believed it was wrong to cheat death, as most monks and priests do, and lets face it he looks like one.

and no you can't rinne tensei yourself back to life though maybe to heal wounds and such, i think its plausible.

i don't believe there is a time limit for rinne tensei because if so it would present a problem for obito's plan, however this is irrelevant now anyways.

and the rinnegan users life energy combined with chakra is what i believe is used, i.e. a life for a life which is why obito has turned madara into his own personal bitch.

as for the ashes, no i don't see how, as essentially you're breathing life into a corpse you can't breathe life into ash short of infusing it with chakra like asuma does [though it was a gun powder and ash mix]

 

[KCMNaruto]

sage probably believed it was wrong to cheat death, as most monks and priests do, and lets face it he looks like one.

and no you can't rinne tensei yourself back to life though maybe to heal wounds and such, i think its plausible.

i don't believe there is a time limit for rinne tensei because if so it would present a problem for obito's plan, however this is irrelevant now anyways.

and the rinnegan users life energy combined with chakra is what i believe is used, i.e. a life for a life which is why obito has turned madara into his own personal bitch.

as for the ashes, no i don't see how, as essentially you're breathing life into a corpse you can't breathe life into ash short of infusing it with chakra like asuma does [though it was a gun powder and ash mix]

thanks a lot for your input

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BTW. What about Juubi chakra amount, Could it play important role in Rinne Tensei process ?

 

[Zorø]

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[KCMNaruto]

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wow, to all qustions ?, really helpful...

*look at avatar* shrug

next time please be more specific

 

[thegame]

Hello, I have few questions concerning Rinne Tensei and I would really like to get answers for these questions

1. Could original user of Rinnengan with full mastery over Rinnengan(maybe Madara) use Rinne Tensei with Juubi amount of chakra to ressurect even Sage of Six paths without dying ?

I would believe, that you can only ressurect people, that hasn't left the impure world. In other words, when you die, you stay in the impure world for a while. As we saw Kakashi met his father after dying. However, his father had stayed very long in the impure world, because he couldn't forgive himself.
So I believe, this could indeed be done, but it would require, that the SO6P's soul stayed in the impure world after his death. I also believe it's possible to "provoke" the soul to stay. This is what I think Madara did. He placed it in a black pole as we saw in the flash back.

2. Could Rinne Tensei recreate deceased's body from it's ashes after many years passed since his/her deaths ?

Given the fact, that people who died and were ressurected by Pain, had all their injuries restored, I would say yes.

3. Could Rinne Tensei heal/recover deceased's body to his/her prime before ressurecting her/him ?

No, this wouldn't make sense, since it pulls the soul back in the "form" it was in before leaving the impure world. IMO it is brought back in the state it was in before leaving the impure world just without wounds.

4. Is amount of deceased's bodies and time passed from each death directly proportinal to amount of chakra need to ressurect them ?

No I doubt this. If Nagato could be used to revive Madara so many years after his death, there is no doubt, that he could also have revived Jiraya at the time. As I said in Q1, I think Jiraya's soul had simply left the impure world. Jiraya felt that he did the right thing, when he died, so he had no regrets. He resides in the pure world.

5. Could Rinnengan user's life energy be converted to chakra needed to ressurect someone while using Rinne Tensei ?

Yeah it would appear so. When Nagato used extreme techniques they took up loads of life force. Like when he destroyed Konoha. Rinne tensei IMO will always kill the user. Else I don't see, why Obito would die from ressurecting a single person.

6. Could Rinne Tensei + Creation of All things let Rinnengan user to recreate someone body and then ressurect him/her ?

Perhaps. But I don't think we know enough about "creation of all things". As I understand it, the very simple interpretation is, that you can take a portion of chakra, and turn it into some physical object with properties corresponding to the amount and type of chakra you created it from. The Sage's tools carried by gin/kin and the 9 beasts are all great examples of this. The 9 beasts were created from something "living", and indestructible, in other words the reason it was possible to actually create living beings were because it was chakra from the Juubi. Else I don't think, you can create something living. Btw, this is a lot of questions, lol.

7. Why did Sage of six paths die ?, when he was juubi jinchurki he could use Creation of all things to make his body younger or even create himself new younger body and transfer his soul to new body.

He died of age or illness, we don't know. But fact is almost no human being dies of age. Some illness will kill any of us at some point in time, and most of time it's cancer.
However, it could just be that as I explained above, you cannot "create" life, unless he created it from the juubi itself. And perhaps this is just not mixable with a "human", so it would not work, but can't really argue why xD

8. Could Madara/Obito as juubi jinchurki recreate their bodies(even wihtout remains of ashes), alter them to prime age and then ressurect them, wihout dying ?

Nah this would not make sense. Nothing lasts forever =) but tbh, I can't really disprove it as a possibility, with what we know so far, but knowing Kishi fairly well, I would say no.

9. Is there really time limit to Rinne Tensei or no ?

Yes, because the soul will leave within some period of time I think. However, in some rare cases it doesn't.

10. Could Obito use Juubi chakra to ressurect Edo madara without dying ? (however it could weaken juubi a lot, so it could (disappear/disolve ) or simply postponned Moon eye plan)

No I don't think so. Else Madara wouldn't say, that Obito will die, when he uses rinne tensei.

11. Could Sage chakra have influence on Rinne Tensei jutsu(less amount of chakra needed, more possibilites) or Rinnengan itself ?
Not in my theory as to how it works, which I probably described in the past questions.

12. Can user cast Rinne Tensei or Creation of All things on himself/herself ?

Probably not else so6p would still be alive ??

 

[KCMNaruto]

@thegame

Thanks a lot for your detailed answers and your time to give me answers

I really appreciate that, I wish I could give you rep +, but can't for now from strange reasons ;/

but I promise to do it, when I will be able to do that

 

[thegame]

@thegame

Thanks a lot for your detailed answers and your time to give me answers

I really appreciate that, I wish I could give you rep +, but can't for now from strange reasons ;/

but I promise to do it, when I will be able to do that

I don't mind the rep. You are a polite guy, I like that, so it's worth it.

However, what do you think about my theory on the pure / impure world, and that rinne tensei only works, when the soul remains in the impure world? I made a thread long ago about it with many proofs.

I mean Nagato would give his life to revive Yahiko. So the fact that he didn't can only mean, that there was no way he could ever revive him. Yet it would be possible that he could revive Madara, who were dead much longer than Yahiko. This makes no sense, which is why I believe, that it has something to do, with whether the soul has left the impure world or not.

We clearly saw Kakashi meet his father, and then his father was able to move on. Kakashi was brought back. His soul hadn't left the impure world at this point, which is why I argue that way.

 

[KCMNaruto]

I don't mind the rep. You are a polite guy, I like that, so it's worth it.

Thanks you for nice words , I feel same about you.

However, what do you think about my theory on the pure / impure world, and that rinne tensei only works, when the soul remains in the impure world? I made a thread long ago about it with many proofs.

Interesting theory, I think is possible and even most likely to work like you said.

I would like to get link to thread you made I would certainly read it and give you feedback as payback to you for doing same to mine threads

I mean Nagato would give his life to revive Yahiko. So the fact that he didn't can only mean, that there was no way he could ever revive him. Yet it would be possible that he could revive Madara, who were dead much longer than Yahiko. This makes no sense, which is why I believe, that it has something to do, with whether the soul has left the impure world or not.

We clearly saw Kakashi meet his father, and then his father was able to move on. Kakashi was brought back. His soul hadn't left the impure world at this point, which is why I argue that way.

You brought really vaild points, honestly I didn't look at pure/impure world logic like that, probably I didn't pull attention to it.

It may be as you said that soul has to stay in impure world, but I always looked at it like Nagato wasn't original user of Rinnengan so it may be brought tight limits what he can do or Madara/Obito simply hid some secrets involving Rinne Tensei, which knowledge could let Nagato ressurect someone who was dead long time ago. It could be made from few reasons:

1. Madara/Obito didn't want Nagato to know it, because he could waste it to ressurect Yahiko or Jirayia
2. Madara/Obito knew that to ressurect someone who was dead long time ago, Nagato would have to sacrifice his life in exchange, we could suppose that Nagato would decline and no coperate.
3. Obito knew that only with bijuu chakra gathere in Gedo Mazou, with so huge amount of chakra Nagato could be able to ressurect someone who was dead long time ago(Madara) with or without sacrificing his life.
4. Nagato knowing too much, could be threat to Obito/Madara plans and he could use this knowledge to even stop Madara ressurection or make it impossible.

It may be more reasons, but I think I have same chance to be right as your theory.

However I have to agree that simply fact showing Kakashi's dad still being in impure world could be clue to how Rinne Tensei works

 

[Transcendence]

I think that the amount of chakra is directly related to the scale of Rinne Tensei. Konan stated that if Nagato used Rinne Tensei at his current chakra levels he would die; this heavily implies that at full chakra he wouldn't of died. With Juubi Jinchuriki type chakra levels, the possibilities are endless. Too much chakra. There is no way someone would die with that much chakra.

I also like the theory that @thegame has. If a soul is residing in the Impure World (Hasn't passed on) then it can be returned to the body (But also depending on the time of death, it would probably take more chakra than normal if the person had been dead for a while) whereas if the person came to terms with their life, then they pass on into the pure world and cannot come back via Rinne Tensei.

 

[thegame]

I think the thread is too old sorry xD Your theory can be as valid as mine. It's likely they wanted to hide a lot from Nagato in order to use him properly. I also believe Madara must have done something to his own eyes, so that when the Juubi would be ressurected, there would be some sort of seal, just like Itachi did to Sasuke with amaterasu reacting on Obito's eye, Madara would have his own eyes react on the Juubi, so Nagato would be forced to use rinne tensei on him.
Obito simply isn't strong enough to force Nagato to use rinne tensei without killing him.

It merely explained that there are 2 worlds (pure/impure), but there are certain "rules" to get into the pure world. Not rules to a God, but rules to yourself, and accepting your fate, and standing by your decisions in life, etc.
If you did not feel, you did the right thing, you could not pass on.

I focused more on the points about edo tensei having flaws, when ressurecting a person, who's soul did not come from the pure world. In other words, the soul was brought back from the impure world, because it was not able to pass on.
The best example being Sasori. The moment he realized his mistakes, and what true art really was, he finally was able to move on. This trigger actually destroyed his edo tensei form and let him pass on.

Well shortly, that was what I tried to explain xD then later we were told about Madara and rinne tensei, so I could sorta extent the theory to that part as well.

 

[Hori]

I wont answer so many questions... your rep power is low anyway.. probably a one... just kiddin

I think the real reason nagato died when using rinnetensei was because he had less chakra, remember what Konana said.. if you use that jutsu with the current chakra level you have you will die. Meaning if he had all of his chakra he wouldn't die

 

[TheKBD]

thanks a lot for your input

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BTW. What about Juubi chakra amount, Could it play important role in Rinne Tensei process ?

I wouldn't rule it out, i believe that maybe how many people you revive is proportional directly to one's chakra, and that simply using the technique, regardless of how many are revived, will take the caster's own life in exchange.

 

[Arugon]

hahaha just thinking about Madara reviving the Sage makes me LMFAO. He can't even control an incomplete Juubi with the help of Obito. Him trying to control the Sage would be hilarious.

 

[The Madara Uchiha]

Ill answer with what I know:

1. I don't believe they can revive anyone without the collection of the soul to preform the Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique. If not then he pretty much indestructible but I raise the question to believe this is wrong since Nagato was going to revive Madara so that also makes me answer Yes.
2. I believe so since Madara was going to be revived.
3. Yes, Madara was speaking of this when Kabuto just revived Madara and was speaking with him.
4. I wouldn't think so, Nagato was able to resurrect so many with just so little.
5. Possibly since Nagato died after using everything he had.
6. I dont understand the question very well but Nagato was going to revive Madara without his body so I assume so.
7. His age was the factor, he knew he was going to die and like a monk didn't think it was necessary to sacrifice others to save himself, by this I mean restore his youth with others chakra as Nagato did when reanimated and fought bee.
8. What? Resurrect themselves before they died? Or the other resurrect the one who died. First thing I said seems impossible but the second seems possible.
9. Is there really time limit to Rinne Tensei or no ?
10. Madara is already resurrected, he would need to die but seems as he is just as good as he was before death which Kabuto sad.
11. Possible, Sage chakra is allot stronger than normal chakra. But the Juubi basically acts as Sage Chakra, not much can get better than the Juubi Chakra.
12. I dont believe so.

 

[KCMNaruto]

hahaha just thinking about Madara reviving the Sage makes me LMFAO. He can't even control an incomplete Juubi with the help of Obito. Him trying to control the Sage would be hilarious.

LOL, really interesting answer ;p

Please next time try to respond to my thread properly

thanks

Ill answer with what I know:

1. I don't believe they can revive anyone without the collection of the soul to preform the Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique. If not then he pretty much indestructible but I raise the question to believe this is wrong since Nagato was going to revive Madara so that also makes me answer Yes.
2. I believe so since Madara was going to be revived.
3. Yes, Madara was speaking of this when Kabuto just revived Madara and was speaking with him.
4. I wouldn't think so, Nagato was able to resurrect so many with just so little.
5. Possibly since Nagato died after using everything he had.
6. I dont understand the question very well but Nagato was going to revive Madara without his body so I assume so.
7. His age was the factor, he knew he was going to die and like a monk didn't think it was necessary to sacrifice others to save himself, by this I mean restore his youth with others chakra as Nagato did when reanimated and fought bee.
8. What? Resurrect themselves before they died? Or the other resurrect the one who died. First thing I said seems impossible but the second seems possible.
9. Is there really time limit to Rinne Tensei or no ?
10. Madara is already resurrected, he would need to die but seems as he is just as good as he was before death which Kabuto sad.
11. Possible, Sage chakra is allot stronger than normal chakra. But the Juubi basically acts as Sage Chakra, not much can get better than the Juubi Chakra.
12. I dont believe so.

About Your answers to my questions:
1. I agree
2. I agree
3. I agree
4. nice didn't notice it until now, although it would be Nagato's chakra + life energy required for Rinne Tenesi to work and ressurect so many people, don't you think so ? Probably Nagato's life energy had to make up for lack of chakra
5. I agree
6. I agree
7. Same as my thoughts however it would be only impossible if we assume that Creation of all things can't be used on himself/herself, otherwise I would disagree and say that it would work
8. Sorry, my mistake I meant: "Could Madara/Obito as juubi jinchurki recreate deceased shinobi's bodies(even wihtout remains of ashes), alter these deceased's bodies to prime age and then ressurect them, wihout dying ?" I hope you know understand
9. Umm, you didn't asnwer my question but just copied and pasted my question lol. I will answer myself then i think that time limit depend only on chakra lever and mastery over Rinenngan you posses.
10. true, but you still didn't answer my question completly
11. I agree
12. I agree, so you think that : "Creation of all things and Rinne Tensei can't be used on himself/herself"

Thanks a lot for your answers to my questions my friend I give you ***** asap

If you can answer these I said that you may skipped or no answered enteire question

 

[6PathsofKami]

Damn only Kishi knows the definite answers to those any other answers are just assumptions.