[Theory] Rin was NOT a Mist spy. Hell is Obito's Kamui dimension.
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+ Rep well thought out particularly the ninjas being from Root, we havent seen their headband symbol so possibly.
Brings a new angle to it
Brings a new angle to it
Thank you! Well, after I saw that, I will allow myself to show you the pic sLM posted on another thread to make it even clearer...
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The angle and design matches perfectly!
Sure, that could be as well, but it's like the time changed too quick. That's what made me think it's his Kamui dimension. It's just a theory though, doesn't have to be true.But we saw the moon in the skythat means is night, doesn't it? And I think I can see a forest far away in the last page, if i'm not wrong. About the anbu, I think it could be possible. Dat Danzou...
Plus, being his Kamui he could change it however he wants, right? Like genjutsu can construct the illusion is someone's brain. Something like the same principle.
About that sign, I am suuure there's something fishy. Why draw it specifically like that? No other village sign matches that one.
Thanks for the pic!
Hmm you got a lot of posts for making no theories anyway here is my review:
1. I can't see why they shouldn't be calling her the woman. If she was a spy nobody would get to know her real name, probably a code name, and that could be the woman, tho it's a long shot, but still not impossible. Besides she might not even have had any code name, perhaps she wasn't "active", and was still a so called sleeping cell. I do see your argument as being valid though.
2. If she was a spy it would make sense that they want to retrieve and destroy the body like the mist anbu hunter nins usually do. Kakashi explained this when they thought zabuza was dead and haku came to take him. If not well perhaps she has some secret though I highly doubt it could be more valuable than kakashis sharingan, which makes it more weird if they are not mist shinobi, why would they their plan fail if she died. She must have had some informations they wanted, which were more worth than the sharingan.
3. Well it looks like it, but either they are all from konoha, or none are, since it wouldn't make sense for a single spy to wear head band from his own village. The picture can't truly confirm if it's a konoha headband, we can't see more than the etch, but truly why else would kishi show it. Besides we have only seen people using that mask to fool us =)
4. Yeah it seemes like his dimension is the other way around or something, but it still seems weird and different from the place he sent sasuke to once, i don't remember seeing a moon, but it would be interesting to look into it.
My initial thought of the chapter was that she had to be a spy. I could see Danzo having something to do with it as well. He appeared to be extremely active during the 3rd war, as well as when Yahiko was killed, when he actually tried to stop Akatsuki. It is possible that Danzo did something to make either kakashi or konoha believe she was a spy, he then staged the whole thing to make kakashi kill her, so he could gain the MS, and then danzo could take the eye. It is however strange that kakashi passes out at least he should have taken his own life or destroyed his sharingan first, given he thought those mist nins would just take it anyway. A lot of things don't add up yet, but we will see I guess.
anyway here is my review:1. I can't see why they shouldn't be calling her the woman. If she was a spy nobody would get to know her real name, probably a code name, and that could be the woman, tho it's a long shot, but still not impossible. Besides she might not even have had any code name, perhaps she wasn't "active", and was still a so called sleeping cell. I do see your argument as being valid though.
2. If she was a spy it would make sense that they want to retrieve and destroy the body like the mist anbu hunter nins usually do. Kakashi explained this when they thought zabuza was dead and haku came to take him. If not well perhaps she has some secret though I highly doubt it could be more valuable than kakashis sharingan, which makes it more weird if they are not mist shinobi, why would they their plan fail if she died. She must have had some informations they wanted, which were more worth than the sharingan.
3. Well it looks like it, but either they are all from konoha, or none are, since it wouldn't make sense for a single spy to wear head band from his own village. The picture can't truly confirm if it's a konoha headband, we can't see more than the etch, but truly why else would kishi show it. Besides we have only seen people using that mask to fool us =)
4. Yeah it seemes like his dimension is the other way around or something, but it still seems weird and different from the place he sent sasuke to once, i don't remember seeing a moon, but it would be interesting to look into it.
My initial thought of the chapter was that she had to be a spy. I could see Danzo having something to do with it as well. He appeared to be extremely active during the 3rd war, as well as when Yahiko was killed, when he actually tried to stop Akatsuki. It is possible that Danzo did something to make either kakashi or konoha believe she was a spy, he then staged the whole thing to make kakashi kill her, so he could gain the MS, and then danzo could take the eye. It is however strange that kakashi passes out at least he should have taken his own life or destroyed his sharingan first, given he thought those mist nins would just take it anyway. A lot of things don't add up yet, but we will see I guess.
It also matches with the mist logo to. I think people are just seeing what they Ant to see. If you take the symbol on ththe broken off mask, the mist logo, it would also fit on the headband. It doesn't have to be a triangle, it could be the mist logo.
i like the anbu theory
but i am sure it definitely not tobi's dimension, because there was a moon, plants and other things.
i think it was just to show obito battled through night and defeated every person there brutally
but i am sure it definitely not tobi's dimension, because there was a moon, plants and other things.
i think it was just to show obito battled through night and defeated every person there brutally
Hey, thanks for that wonderful feed-back!Hmm you got a lot of posts for making no theories
1. I can't see why they shouldn't be calling her the woman. If she was a spy nobody would get to know her real name, probably a code name, and that could be the woman, tho it's a long shot, but still not impossible. Besides she might not even have had any code name, perhaps she wasn't "active", and was still a so called sleeping cell. I do see your argument as being valid though.
2. If she was a spy it would make sense that they want to retrieve and destroy the body like the mist anbu hunter nins usually do. Kakashi explained this when they thought zabuza was dead and haku came to take him. If not well perhaps she has some secret though I highly doubt it could be more valuable than kakashis sharingan, which makes it more weird if they are not mist shinobi, why would they their plan fail if she died. She must have had some informations they wanted, which were more worth than the sharingan.
3. Well it looks like it, but either they are all from konoha, or none are, since it wouldn't make sense for a single spy to wear head band from his own village. The picture can't truly confirm if it's a konoha headband, we can't see more than the etch, but truly why else would kishi show it. Besides we have only seen people using that mask to fool us =)
4. Yeah it seemes like his dimension is the other way around or something, but it still seems weird and different from the place he sent sasuke to once, i don't remember seeing a moon, but it would be interesting to look into it.
My initial thought of the chapter was that she had to be a spy. I could see Danzo having something to do with it as well. He appeared to be extremely active during the 3rd war, as well as when Yahiko was killed, when he actually tried to stop Akatsuki. It is possible that Danzo did something to make either kakashi or konoha believe she was a spy, he then staged the whole thing to make kakashi kill her, so he could gain the MS, and then danzo could take the eye. It is however strange that kakashi passes out at least he should have taken his own life or destroyed his sharingan first, given he thought those mist nins would just take it anyway. A lot of things don't add up yet, but we will see I guess.
Ok, so let's take it on turns.
1. Well, usually it was seen throughout the manga that when it's one of theirs, they don't talk that formal. Even if she wouldn't know her real name at least they would've called it by the known spy name. We have that example with Yamato actually being Tenzou but people always referred to him in a more familiar way, even if they called him by his code name.
But you are right as well. Though I really tend to believe she was not a spy, though at the beginning I inclined to think the same.
2. That is true, nevertheless. But the whole context here made me believe that is something special about her. I think it might be related to her medical nin abilities... I mean, she was a medic nin at the age of 12? That's pretty impressive. We never saw such a young medic nin except, Tsunade, of course, who graduated Academy at 6. And maybe it was somehow a trap to make her take Kakashi's eye. That's why I came with the theory of Danzo's involvement. Still not sure about everything though as it's foggy but your point is valid as well.
As I said, the whole context made me think she was not a Mist spy. Other countries did the same when it came to the a dead comrade, took its bodies in order for the other countries to not unveil the secret its body had, especially when it came to doujutsus.
3. As I said, here I introduced Danzo's involvement. He was known for wanting to collect sharingans. And maybe that's why he wanted to have Shisui's eye because he couldn't have Kakashi's one in the first place.
Plus, from all the other signs, the only one that matches, is Konoha's. Now if they were all or not, we can't be certain. That's where the mistery is placed. And regarding the masks, well, they are easy to get as we've seen that basical ANBU ones are taken from regular shops, lol.
4. I based that theory by the extreme change it took place on the scenario and the fact that Obito for a moment didn't knew where he was and on the fact that being his dimension he could change it however he wanted, just like genjutsu does, only that genjutsu is an illusion, Kamui dimension is something a bit different, but the base principle would be the same. Not 100% about it though, that's why it's just a theory.
Hmm, you theory about Danzo could add, indeed... And regarding Kakashi, maybe he got the whole package too late, when he was already worn out... Dunno what to say, those are the missing puzzles.
Anyway, thanks for the great feed-back!
Thank you.
It doesn't quite matches with the other logos if you take a good look. It's not just the logo itself, it's his placement as well and the fact that it matches as well from the angle.
The fact that they all fit on a headband is one, but the matching takes another thing.
If they were to be Konoha's ANBU Roots (especially some Uchihas amongst them), this would explain why Obito turned out against his own village.
Thank you.i like the anbu theory
but i am sure it definitely not tobi's dimension, because there was a moon, plants and other things.
i think it was just to show obito battled through night and defeated every person there brutally
As I said I put it on the fact that he didn't knew where he was in the first place (and that being his dimension he could change it however he wanted), and everything kinda turned dark in a matter of few moments so yeah... But might as well be just the landscape, lol.
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I might have to disagree with this. Reason why? Because Rin isn't special, kishi showed how kabuto was a spy for the village for many years, and he did so for a reason.
1:With that, we can assume that kabuto was not the only spy, and I'm sure other villages knew that sending a kid in as a spy would benefit them greatly since other people of other countries were likely not to question a child.
2:From kakashi's reaction to killing rin, and rin being suprised, we can pretty much guess he did it because it was his mission to eliminate her. Kakashi is not one to kill a person because they "Beg" him to.
3:Obito's dimension is not hell, he is referring to the Earth he lives on as hell, the same you would do if you seen someone close to you killed in cold blood. You would question if this is really hell. (he's just using an analogy.)
4:Kakashi didn't use ms because he did not know he had it, same as sasuke, sasuke unlocks it while chasing Itachi, which would mean he unlocked it at age 6-8. However at the time of joining team 7 he never even knew he had unlocked it.
Also to the "woman" quote, I think its just badly translated, if you read the entire manga over you can see alot of mistakes.
1:With that, we can assume that kabuto was not the only spy, and I'm sure other villages knew that sending a kid in as a spy would benefit them greatly since other people of other countries were likely not to question a child.
2:From kakashi's reaction to killing rin, and rin being suprised, we can pretty much guess he did it because it was his mission to eliminate her. Kakashi is not one to kill a person because they "Beg" him to.
3:Obito's dimension is not hell, he is referring to the Earth he lives on as hell, the same you would do if you seen someone close to you killed in cold blood. You would question if this is really hell. (he's just using an analogy.)
4:Kakashi didn't use ms because he did not know he had it, same as sasuke, sasuke unlocks it while chasing Itachi, which would mean he unlocked it at age 6-8. However at the time of joining team 7 he never even knew he had unlocked it.
Also to the "woman" quote, I think its just badly translated, if you read the entire manga over you can see alot of mistakes.
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Well, it's your opinion and you're entitled to it, nevertheless.
However, Kabuto was shown since part 1. There is a difference between her and Kabuto. We didn't knew about Minato team until Kakashi Gaiden whereas about Kabuto we knew from the very Part 1. And he portrayed him as a spy from day 1, whereas Rin was portrayed as a member of team Minato.
1. Of course Kabuto is not the only spy in existance but because he is the spy doesn't have to make Rin a spy as well. I am not taking this out of consideration, though. But my theory is quite different. That doesn't close, of course, any other possibilities.
2. You are true there, might be, might not be. Might have been a mission pretty much normal at the beginning and in the end, Kakashi figured it out and killed her. That will have to be unveiled in the end by Kishi himself.
3. I already explained on what I based that assumption so I won't do it again. But not taking out of consideration your answer, of course.
4. What does this point have with the other ones? I couldn't quite find the correlation...
Well I also think I have been sort of convinced she wasn't a spy during the day after reading and discussing at the forum + thinking about it. Your argument also makes a lot of sense to me.However, something is still weird, one of the 1st pages made me think of something:Hey, thanks for that wonderful feed-back!
Ok, so let's take it on turns.
1. Well, usually it was seen throughout the manga that when it's one of theirs, they don't talk that formal. Even if she wouldn't know her real name at least they would've called it by the known spy name. We have that example with Yamato actually being Tenzou but people always referred to him in a more familiar way, even if they called him by his code name.
But you are right as well. Though I really tend to believe she was not a spy, though at the beginning I inclined to think the same.
2. That is true, nevertheless. But the whole context here made me believe that is something special about her. I think it might be related to her medical nin abilities... I mean, she was a medic nin at the age of 12? That's pretty impressive. We never saw such a young medic nin except, Tsunade, of course, who graduated Academy at 6. And maybe it was somehow a trap to make her take Kakashi's eye. That's why I came with the theory of Danzo's involvement. Still not sure about everything though as it's foggy but your point is valid as well.
As I said, the whole context made me think she was not a Mist spy. Other countries did the same when it came to the a dead comrade, took its bodies in order for the other countries to not unveil the secret its body had, especially when it came to doujutsus.
3. As I said, here I introduced Danzo's involvement. He was known for wanting to collect sharingans. And maybe that's why he wanted to have Shisui's eye because he couldn't have Kakashi's one in the first place.
Plus, from all the other signs, the only one that matches, is Konoha's. Now if they were all or not, we can't be certain. That's where the mistery is placed. And regarding the masks, well, they are easy to get as we've seen that basical ANBU ones are taken from regular shops, lol.
4. I based that theory by the extreme change it took place on the scenario and the fact that Obito for a moment didn't knew where he was and on the fact that being his dimension he could change it however he wanted, just like genjutsu does, only that genjutsu is an illusion, Kamui dimension is something a bit different, but the base principle would be the same. Not 100% about it though, that's why it's just a theory.
Hmm, you theory about Danzo could add, indeed... And regarding Kakashi, maybe he got the whole package too late, when he was already worn out... Dunno what to say, those are the missing puzzles.
Anyway, thanks for the great feed-back!
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I used the one from *********** cause I tend to see their translations to be more correct, well just an old habit. Anyway what is interesting is the difference in the translations. In mangareader they said: "Shit he got us", but the one from *********** says: "Shit! He took her out". Also what comes after is interesting, they say "Just when we finally managed to get our hands on it"
So my best guess is that Rin has an ability that they needed to use whatever this "it" is. I might be posting this in a theory later, cause it really makes sense, and could also explain why kakashi was forced to kill her, and it also tells us she wasn't a spy, cause then they wouldn't be hunting her down.
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Nice theory
I like the Anbu one the most...it could explain why Obito attacked Konoha with the Kyuubi.
I like the Anbu one the most...it could explain why Obito attacked Konoha with the Kyuubi.
Hmmm *********** translation kinda changes things a bit. But seeing this, strengthens my belief that it's something special about her and that she's not a spy. And as you said, they wouldn't be hunting one of theirs...
Hmm I wish NB used *********** translations, this changes a lot of things...
Thanks for bringing it up to the front!
Thank you.