Rin’negan & Jūbi

[Varrah]

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Ground:​

I saw responses in threads claiming that the Rin’negan is a product influenced by the Jūbi—presumingly because Rikudō Sennin was its Jinchūriki—it’s unfitting. Rikudō Sennin’s possession of the Rin’negan is completely independent from the Jūbi, for the Sage held the perfect vessel for its manifestation.

*Thread was made to primarily have people link others to, and should be self explanatory*​

Pillar 1:​

The Rin’negan is an ability of Rikudō Sennin’s unique qualities from his genetic material, which is known as a Kekkei Genkai (‘Bloodline Limit’). These qualities affected his entire body, but were most noticeable through its manifestation in the eyes, indicating it as a Dōjutsu. As mentioned, a dōjutsu is an ability that stems from one’s unique qualities of their genetics—but unlike other arts—it requires no seals to operates, as it revolves around a person’s vision; the power of a dōjutsu inherently based within the eyes: working solely on mental functions and chakra.

The Rin’negan however is comparable and contrasting to other dōjutsu. Like other dōjutsu’s, the Rin’negan operates on mental functions and chakra, but is not limited to them. As mentioned before, the Rin’negan “affects” the entire body, the evidence: the Six Paths.​

Pillar 2:​

• The Sharingan is a dōjutsu or ability entirely focused upon the eyes and chakra. It deals in the Spiritual side or Yin side of the arts (Taijutsu, Genjutsu, Ninjutsu etc.), whereas, the Senju/Uzumaki deals in the Physical or Yang side of the arts: chakra, vitality, wood, etc. The creation of solid objects and their strong bodies are their strength.
  
  
• Both of Rikudō’s two sons was said to have inherited a different part or portion of his power. The Elder Son inherited his "eyes," his immense chakra and spiritual energy (point 1), while the Younger inherited his "body," his strong will and physical energy.

Conclusion:​

Thus, neither the Elder or Younger Son alone is capable of using the Rin'negan. The same could be said of their descendants. In order to awaken the Rin'negan, a descendant of either son must have merged or joined his genes or body with a descendant of the other son. In essence, they have to splice the Sage's spiritual energy with his physical energy (equals chakra in the purest sense) - his "eyes" with his "body". Therefore, it is concluded, that the Sharingan as we know it is a mutation of the Elder Son's eyes, and did not, in fact, exist before the Rin'negan. Whether or not the mutation of the Sharingan into its present form is a result of the Sage being a Jinchūriki is irrelevant, because Madara did not need to become a Jinchūriki of the Jūbi to awaken the Rin'negan. Instead, he required Hashirama’s genetic material to reclaim the Rin'negan: the Yang or Physical portion that Rikudō Sennin held; further affirming that the Sage held the Rin'negan before becoming a Jinchūriki.​

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[The Necromancer]

I find the chances of him having nearly identical eyes as the Juubi to be a little too coincidental

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

I get the premise of your argument. Correct me if I'm wrong. But you're saying that teh Sage had to have had Rinnengan before he fought the Juubi because of how the Rinnengan is obtained by his descendants in the story. It only requires DNA from the Senju (body) and Uchiha (eyes) in order to unlock the Rinnegan. Since no Juubi is required, then the Sage must have had the Rinnengan before he sealed the Juubi. If this is what you're saying, I have to disagree. It's a good argument and theory, but it doesn't outright prove what you are trying to say.

1. We can't know the circumstances behind how the Two Sons were created. Some would argue that they were "created" and not born. If that's the case then they would inherently already have a portion of the Juubi ingrained in them. I'm not saying I agree with this, but it speaks to the fact that the circumstances surrounding the two sons is still vague.

2. If one believes as I do, that the Juubi is nothing more than Nature personified, then it only makes sense that the Juubi's eye, the Sharinnengan as some have termed it, would belong only to the Juubi. I see it as the "watchful" eye over Nature. But I digress from my point. Remember, the Juubi is the creator of all countries, oceans, mountains, and is the source of all chakra (stated in manga). So if we can accept the fact that it is the creator then I think the idea that its presence gives birth to life (as we have seen with Naruto's Kyuubi chakra, and Hashirama's wood element) is not out of the realm of possiblility. So, with all that in mind, I think the argument can be made that the Juubi's powers (the source of all chakra and life) is what is being pieced back together, not the Sage's powers.

 

[Varrah]

I get the premise of your argument. Correct me if I'm wrong. But you're saying that teh Sage had to have had Rinnengan before he fought the Juubi because of how the Rinnengan is obtained by his descendants in the story. It only requires DNA from the Senju (body) and Uchiha (eyes) in order to unlock the Rinnegan. Since no Juubi is required, then the Sage must have had the Rinnengan before he sealed the Juubi. If this is what you're saying, I have to disagree. It's a good argument and theory, but it doesn't outright prove what you are trying to say.

1. We can't know the circumstances behind how the Two Sons were created. Some would argue that they were "created" and not born. If that's the case then they would inherently already have a portion of the Juubi ingrained in them. I'm not saying I agree with this, but it speaks to the fact that the circumstances surrounding the two sons is still vague.

2. If one believes as I do, that the Juubi is nothing more than Nature personified, then it only makes sense that the Juubi's eye, the Sharinnengan as some have termed it, would belong only to the Juubi. I see it as the "watchful" eye over Nature. But I digress from my point. Remember, the Juubi is the creator of all countries, oceans, mountains, and is the source of all chakra (stated in manga). So if we can accept the fact that it is the creator then I think the idea that its presence gives birth to life (as we have seen with Naruto's Kyuubi chakra, and Hashirama's wood element) is not out of the realm of possiblility. So, with all that in mind, I think the argument can be made that the Juubi's powers (the source of all chakra and life) is what is being pieced back together, not the Sage's powers.

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2. Debatable; all the features regarding the Jūbi is in a certain sense are wavering. We only that the Jūbi is a representation of Nature or God if you say; its “ultimate eye” currently has no “pure” explanation; and since it is such a being; it is not limited to human degrees.
   
   Hence, your assumption that the Jūbi is related to Rikudō Sennin because of its Dōjutsu. It may or not be. Unstinted explanations can be given for the relation between them, but they would be moot. The Jūbi may simply reflect whatever power is being used or could be a product of the Sage practicing Banbutsu Sōzō negatively. No clear answer has been given, so the OP is merely stating the preconditions for the Rin’negan are no dependent upon becoming the Jinchūriki of the Jūbi.

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[Multiply]

Quite plausible I presume.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I think the Juubi's sealing altered Rikudou's phenotype.

 

[Sherlock.]

Ten Tails left a permanent DNA mutation in SO6P.... =D =D