[Discussion] Rikudou Sennin not tied to a clan continued.

[BlacLord™]

The one reason Rikudou doesn't belong to a clan, something obvious most have missed.

Rikudou was the first to discover the properties of chakra, if he was the first, and his 'religion' The Shinobi Sect (Ninshuu) came before the ninjutsu era, shinobi clans would not have come apparent until after him.

It's logical that him being the God of Shinobi and founder of chakra and it's properties, is the one who holds all the key aspects of shinobi skills/abilities and that through his descendants, parts of his power split and clans started to form based on key abilities they exceled at, such as Fuinjutsu/strong life force, in many cases, DNA mutilated and started to develop other unique abilities a.k.a Kekkei Genkai.

Biologically speaking, a child will receive 50% of each parents DNA, in relation to Rikudou's sons, each got half of Rikudou's abilities, and the prime example of mutilated DNA is the Rinnegan turning into that mysterious Dojutsu, then mutilating again into the Sharingan (and possibly another mutilation being the Byakugan).

One man and one woman must start the ball rolling, as the ball doesn't roll by itself.

 

[Reflection]

I agree. This is obvious...

 

[Almighty Ra]

Great theory cool bro

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

um he still had a blood line remeber?

 

[Kaneki Kun]

...........No.

 

[BlacLord™]

um he still had a blood line remeber?

He had the original bloodline, which starting splitting and changing from his sons onwards.

 

[Insidious Smile]

The Sage is an Uzumaki.

 

[BlacLord™]

The Sage is an Uzumaki.

Rikudou Sennin came before the Shinobi world.

 

[kisamexRocks]

The Sage is an Uzumaki.

Explain please why the man that started ALL clans and gave birth to the ninja world is an Uzumaki?

 

[Noobastank]

um he still had a blood line remeber?

This...He had a bloodline and a bloodline limit. most likely the sage is tied to all clans and bloodlines seeing as though he probably is the origin of them all

 

[Honord Sage]

SO6P Establish the Clan System along with Ninjutsu. He establish His own Clan for wish His Sons belong to.

 

[BlacLord™]

This...He had a bloodline and a bloodline limit. most likely the sage is tied to all clans and bloodlines seeing as though he probably is the origin of them all

Exactly, his is the original, one off bloodline split in half, then split over and over, with some mutilations on the way, that's why clans usually have a special feat or adeptness for a type of ability.

 

[Troyg39]

The one reason Rikudou doesn't belong to a clan, something obvious most have missed.

Rikudou was the first to discover the properties of chakra, if he was the first, and his 'religion' The Shinobi Sect (Ninshuu) came before the ninjutsu era, shinobi clans would not have come apparent until after him.

It's logical that him being the God of Shinobi and founder of chakra and it's properties, is the one who holds all the key aspects of shinobi skills/abilities and that through his descendants, parts of his power split and clans started to form based on key abilities they exceled at, such as Fuinjutsu/strong life force, in many cases, DNA mutilated and started to develop other unique abilities a.k.a Kekkei Genkai.

Biologically speaking, a child will receive 50% of each parents DNA, in relation to Rikudou's sons, each got half of Rikudou's abilities, and the prime example of mutilated DNA is the Rinnegan turning into that mysterious Dojutsu, then mutilating again into the Sharingan (and possibly another mutilation being the Byakugan).

One man and one woman must start the ball rolling, as the ball doesn't roll by itself.

Look at the word I put in bold. The sage was the first to DISCOVER chakra, he didn't create it out of thin air. Chakra wasn't something that was only exclusive to him. Chakra was within most people, he was just the one to discover it first. Just like Ben Franklin didn't invent electricity, he was simply the first to discover it.

Also, I don't think the sage invented clans. Clans at the end of the day are just family members; a collection of people with similar properties. There were most likely clans even before the sage. The Sage probably also had family members too.

What most likely happened is that once the sage discovered chakra and learned how to use it to perform various jutsu, he then taught others how to manipulate the chakra in them. Once others started manipulating their chakra, different jutsu's were uncovered and different KGs were found because the chakra properties were different among different groups of people, thus changing ordinary clans to ninja clans. Over time, chakra natures, types, and other properties changed within the various clans, and even more abilites came about with the manipulation of the new forms of chakra.

The Sage may have been the God of Shinobi but he wasn't God. He didn't create all life, so that means there was life before him, meaning he must have had a Mom, Dad, and other family members too. So once he discovered chakra and started using it and taught it to his family, it's possible that his family were likely to do similar jutsu since they shared the similar genes. We don't know what clan the sage belonged too, but it's more than likely he did belong to one (probably Uzumaki)

**Edit**, So none of you get confused, when I say the Sage didn't invent "clans", I mean he didn't invent families or groups of people who lived together. He may have invented the ninjaclan system but he didn't invent clans per se.

 

[BlacLord™]

Look at the word I put in bold. The sage was the first to DISCOVER chakra, he didn't create it out of thin air. Chakra wasn't something that was only exclusive to him. Chakra was within most people, he was just the one to discover it first. Just like Ben Franklin didn't invent electricity, he was simply the first to discover it.

Also, I don't think the sage invented clans. Clans at the end of the day are just family members; a collection of people with similar properties. There were most likely clans even before the sage. The Sage probably also had family members too.

What most likely happened is that once the sage discovered chakra and learned how to use it to perform various jutsu, he then taught others how to manipulate the chakra in them. Once others started manipulating their chakra, different jutsu's were uncovered and different KGs were found because the chakra properties were different among different groups of people, thus changing ordinary clans to ninja clans. Over time, chakra natures, types, and other properties changed within the various clans, and even more abilites came about with the manipulation of the new forms of chakra.

The Sage may have been the God of Shinobi but he wasn't God. He didn't create all life, so that means there was life before him, meaning he must have had a Mom, Dad, and other family members too. So once he discovered chakra and started using it and taught it to his family, it's possible that his family were likely to do similar jutsu since they shared the similar genes. We don't know what clan the sage belonged too, but it's more than likely he did belong to one (probably Uzumaki)

I didn't say he invented clans, clans after all is just a name for a family who share similar blood, I explain that clans are what is created when his own bloodline was split over and over, with the best example being the Uchiha and the Senju.

I know he wasn't literal God but he was the first one to become able to use and master ninja techniques, whether it was through the Juubi's power or he was born naturally gifted, but his blood contained seemingly the strongest of attributes for example spiritual power, eyes, body etc...

His bloodline gave birth to the Shinobi Sect, which later came to be known as Ninjutsu.

 

[kunlebade]

Yes he might not belong to any of the known clans. But he definitely came from somewhere. He must have had parents and relatives right?

 

[BlacLord™]

Yes he might not belong to any of the known clans. But he definitely came from somewhere. He must have had parents and relatives right?

Yeah, I appreciate that but it would be impossible to belong to a shinobi clan, if he was the first shinobi himself.

How he obtained all these abilities, whether by gift or through the Juubi is another matter.

 

[Troyg39]

I didn't say he invented clans, clans after all is just a name for a family who share similar blood, I explain that clans are what is created when his own bloodline was split over and over, with the best example being the Uchiha and the Senju.

I know he wasn't literal God but he was the first one to become able to use and master ninja techniques, whether it was through the Juubi's power or he was born naturally gifted, but his blood contained seemingly the strongest of attributes for example spiritual power, eyes, body etc...

His bloodline gave birth to the Shinobi Sect, which later came to be known as Ninjutsu.

That's a great point but it's also what I was trying to say. He created the shinobi sect, but that doesn't mean that he didn't belong to a presently known clan. Remember, the sage came about a long time ago. Since then the Shinobi sect and the ninja clan system had most likely been reformed, revised, and approved upon over the years since he created it. An example of this would be his sons. They weren't known right off the bat as "Senju" and "Uchiha". Their names came about years later. Yet we still refer to the sons as senju and uchiha because they were apart of the group that later became known to be senju and uchiha. So even though they weren't called Senju and Uchiha during their time, they still belonged to the clan, they just weren't called that during their time.

This is my point with the sage. He probably belongs to a presently known ninja clan too. It's just that during his time period, they didn't have their name yet or better yet, the name changed, just like the two sons probably dropped their surname under their father in order to split up and be called something else to distinguish themselves from one another. When the sage created the system, he probably lived by that same system, and his family became one of the ninja clans which in time became known as something else (probably Uzumaki)

 

[Edge]

This doesn't prove he wasn't part of a "clan", or in this case just a hereditary line. He probably wasn't in a clan in the literal sense but was their ancestor which is obvious because he began the art of using ninjutsu.

Thus, you could still say he was the ancestor or a certain clan like the ancestor of the Uzumaki's (as lot's of people are debating about).

 

[BooYeah1432]

Well you missed a huge point. That is evidence and the lack of common sense. He created the shinobi world- fact. He created all the clans- wrong speculation. He created shinobi and chakara and then thought it to others. The clans existed before he was alive, he just created 2 new clans, senju and uchiha, when he split his body. Anyone can create a clan you just need followers. Now if he tought others ninjutsu which is a fact those other clans could have learned special abilities or already had the Kekkei-genkai to perform special jutsu. All we know is that he created the senju and uchiha and that the uzumaki clan is somehow related. So therefore I still believe that he was an uzumaki. It makes the most sense, would be an interesting twist and would create a better parallel with naruto. Guys for all of those who agreed, please reply if you agreed to the threads about the sage being an uzumaki, stop being by standards and think for yourself.